HAPPY MITCHELL REPORT DAY!!!!!!!! Clemens named.

[hawkcub]

Why are people even in the least bit surprised Clemens was on steroids. No way a pitcher should be able to pitch like that at his age.

[OleMissCub]

anyhow, if mlb had a comprehensive drug test that included blood work, i would've been against this whole idea. but the mlbpa doesn't allow their players to be blood tested, which for all we know means that every player on mlb is still using hgh. if there's no investigation, then there's no incentive not to use hgh, because you can enhance your performance without the risk of being caught. now this report has named a number of players who otherwise never would have been outed. So people in the future who could potentially use HGH will have the knowledge that a number of former players who used HGHs were publicly embarrassed - and many of them likely cost money on the FA market.

 

trying to make any sport a cleaner, more fair environment is not a bad thing.

 

Very good post, Truffle.

[forbez18]

It's not possible to get that big and maintain the size through a MLB schedule. It'd be one thing if a guy like Sosa was a bodybuilder for a living, but he's got to travel every few days, play a three hour game (plus practices, meetings, breaking down film, etc). For a guy like Sosa you have to add in all the PR stuff, appearances with sick kids, filming Pepsi commercials, etc. You can't lift in a gym 2 hours a day and still do all the above stuff without help.

 

http://www.wisecamel.com/images/Sosa%20B%20and%20A%203.jpg

 

Baloney. I work 10-11 hours a day at my desk with an additional 1 hour commute each day. I find time to go to the gym 3 times a week. It means I don't get home until after 9:30 PM those days, but I still do it.

 

Oooh, 3 times a week. I guess that means you have recovery days between workouts. Funny thing about baseball is you play 6 games a week and have to be able to catch up to a 90+ mph fastball on each and every day. I used to lift like crazy and got quite big and there's no way in hell I could've swung a bat or thrown a ball at full speed on noon of the next day. I find it absolutely impossible to believe that a baseball player could do enough lifting to maintain the physique of an NFL middle linebacker without recovery days and without chemical help. Anyone who tried it would have a horrible season due to chronic post-workout stiffness/weakness.

 

Let's not forget those days where you tweek something while lifting and need an extra day or two to recover. I have tweeked my elbow and know I would not have bben able to throw a ball for a day or two.

 

I am not sure why this is all about Sosa, but I find this argument way out there. I played college baseball, and we were forced into the gym at 5:30 every morning okay (mon, tues, wed, thurs. and sat), but most of us went every day anyways. We would lift weight and condition for 1-2 HRS, and yes that was durring the season. If you lift properly it does not hurt your reflexes which would cause you to throw slower or swing slower. It actually increasess your ability to be faster and stronger. If my baseball team could do it, and then go out and play baseball, go to college, work, and a lot of the time go out and party at night. I do not see why a man that grew up poor would not have enough energy to do it, if he knew it could make him MILLIONS of dollars.

 

But....this entire report is just for the media anyways. They will never be able to prove exactly who did and who did not use steroids, but it makes it look like the problem is solved and everyone is revealed. When in all, I still do not know what is the big deal if they did use steroids. They are playing a professional sport where they are making choices about their own body that they fully understand. It is a form of entertainment for everyone else. Yes, it might not be the best thing for their body, but we do not yell at professional wrestlers (more steroids) and I mean college actual wrestlers who cut weight and then gain weight which if you have gone through the process over and over, you would know that the cycling can take years off of your life. We don't yell at clowns at the circus who balance 100 ft on a rope with no net, but for some reason we have a huge problem with professional athletes all of a sudden and what they put into their bodies. It does not make sense.

[TruffleShuffle]

But....this entire report is just for the media anyways. They will never be able to prove exactly who did and who did not use steroids, but it makes it look like the problem is solved and everyone is revealed. When in all, I still do not know what is the big deal if they did use steroids. They are playing a professional sport where they are making choices about their own body that they fully understand. It is a form of entertainment for everyone else. Yes, it might not be the best thing for their body, but we do not yell at professional wrestlers (more steroids) and I mean college actual wrestlers who cut weight and then gain weight which if you have gone through the process over and over, you would know that the cycling can take years off of your life. We don't yell at clowns at the circus who balance 100 ft on a rope with no net, but for some reason we have a huge problem with professional athletes all of a sudden and what they put into their bodies. It does not make sense.

 

competitive advantage. guys who use steroids can become better players than their non-juicing peers because of steroids. if you're a guy who doesn't want to hurt his own body in the long run to make a few million, or you have a family and don't want to lose them early, why should you be punished? and yes, it's being punished - i guarantee you there have been plenty of AAAA players who had just as much talent as other guys who made the big leagues and were able to make at least the major league minimum... but they never stuck in the major leagues because they chose not to juice while their equally-talented peers did so.

 

this goes for baseball and any other sport. make a strict drug policy, make punishments tough, and do your best to enforce it.

[Bote McBoteface]

So, i read the first 10 pages then had to leave. Are Prior and Wood confirmed on the list? Is there an official list available yet? What page of this thread is that list on?

[Andy]

So, i read the first 10 pages then had to leave. Are Prior and Wood confirmed on the list? Is there an official list available yet? What page of this thread is that list on?

The list you saw was bogus, and Prior and Wood weren't mentioned at all in the Mitchell Report. Sammy wasn't either, outside of some 2005 congressional hearing discussion.

 

You can find OMC's compilation of who was in it at this link. Sorry about the yellow in the link, I found it through Search.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Chad Allen

Mike Bell

Alex Cabrera

Jason Christiansen

Paxton Crawford

Chris Donnels

Mike Judd (isnt he the Bevis and Butthead/King of the Hill guy?)

Josias Manzanillo

Cody McKay

Bart Miadich

Daniel Naulty

Adam Riggs

F.P. Santangelo

 

Is anyone else wondering if some of these could be alias' of better known playes who were smart enough to mask their identites? I mean Im one of those people who could basically recognize any player from the 80's on, and most before that, but their are some names here Ive NEVER heard. I understand that these could be guys who the juice didnt work well for, and never made it to the majors but were linked anyway, but its an interesting theory, especially with some of the names that I would expect to be no brainers that didnt make their way on the list, like Sosa, Aubrey Huff, or Albert Belle.

Edited December 14, 2007 by Little Slide Rooter

[Sammy Sofa]

Is anyone else wondering if some of these could be alias' of better known playes who were smart enough to mask their identites? I mean Im one of those people who could basically recognize any player from the 80's on, and most before that, but their are some names here Ive NEVER heard.

 

Wow.

 

You're very strange.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Is anyone else wondering if some of these could be alias' of better known playes who were smart enough to mask their identites? I mean Im one of those people who could basically recognize any player from the 80's on, and most before that, but their are some names here Ive NEVER heard.

 

Wow.

 

You're very strange.

 

So you're saying that none of these guys could have possibly had the foresight to order these meds under an assumed identity, so as to avoid a paper trail? And their doctors/providers couldnt have possibly helped them cover up for a fee? No, not in America, never.

[Sammy Sofa]

So you're saying that none of these guys could have possibly had the foresight to order these meds under an assumed identity, so as to avoid a paper trail? And their doctors/providers couldnt have possibly helped them cover up for a fee? No, not in America, never.

 

You're honestly saying that these are false identities that fooled this government investigation? All of the players are easily researched through Baseball-Reference.com, Wikipedia, Google and a number of other online sources. They're all real. This is an absurd theory.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Yeah, guess you're right. Hopefully they got a refund.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

http://www.sexhamster.com/weblog/macropics/tinfoil-hat.jpg

[BigbadB]

Chad Allen

Mike Bell

Alex Cabrera

Jason Christiansen

Paxton Crawford

Chris Donnels

Mike Judd (isnt he the Bevis and Butthead/King of the Hill guy?)

Josias Manzanillo

Cody McKay

Bart Miadich

Daniel Naulty

Adam Riggs

F.P. Santangelo

 

Is anyone else wondering if some of these could be alias' of better known playes who were smart enough to mask their identites? I mean Im one of those people who could basically recognize any player from the 80's on, and most before that, but their are some names here Ive NEVER heard. I understand that these could be guys who the juice didnt work well for, and never made it to the majors but were linked anyway, but its an interesting theory, especially with some of the names that I would expect to be no brainers that didnt make their way on the list, like Sosa, Aubrey Huff, or Albert Belle.

 

I believe Alex Cabrera has been in Japan the last several years, and was actually probably thinking about coming back to the states, but probably not now. I don't recognize many of those names, but there are a lot of guys who don't get much more than a cup of coffee at the major league level.

[shnsajax]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=mitchell/071213&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab6pos1

 

Pretty funny.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I still can't believe Jack Cust is on the thing..I'm assuming that will be the end to his baseball camp for yutes?

[Omar]

I keep reading the list multiple times and as I pass the two names "Adam Piatt, Todd Pratt" I keep thinking of Andy Pratt.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I keep reading the list multiple times and as I pass the two names "Adam Piatt, Todd Pratt" I keep thinking of Andy Pratt.

 

 

+1

[snoodmonger]

I think Sammy was juicing, but I love hearing people say that someone didn't get smaller during the season.

 

I mean, were you really keeping track?

 

Who knew Sammy's tailor posted here?

[carleiu]

http://www.wisecamel.com/images/Sosa%20B%20and%20A%203.jpg

 

Come on.

I'm not going to say you're wrong because I'm noncommittal, but how the hell are we supposed to know how big Sammy's biceps are in the picture on the right?

 

Actually, you're right. His arms don't necessarily look 'big' in the older one but they look 'strong'. And, that was like 10-13 years in time difference.

 

Oh, you guys were using his arms as a comparison? I thought the [expletive] look on his face in the more recent picture did him in....if nothing else, Sosa somehow managed to contract Fetal Alcohol Syndrome in that 10-13 years.

 

Only time will tell if it has any negative long-term effects.

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

I definitely like the fact that Clemens was implicated and Maddux is the onlt true Hall of Famer between the two... but what I really liked to see that Tejada and Gagne were mentioned--- way to go Astros, that was a great tradethat you made (LOL)... and Brewers, man you really strengthened your bullpen (yeah, right!). Needless to say I am SO glad that Hendry didn't trade for Tejada.

[SouthSideRyan]

http://www.latinosportslegends.com/images/sosa_corked_bat.jpg

 

There's syringes in that bat!!!

[badgercub]

But....this entire report is just for the media anyways. They will never be able to prove exactly who did and who did not use steroids, but it makes it look like the problem is solved and everyone is revealed. When in all, I still do not know what is the big deal if they did use steroids. They are playing a professional sport where they are making choices about their own body that they fully understand. It is a form of entertainment for everyone else. Yes, it might not be the best thing for their body, but we do not yell at professional wrestlers (more steroids) and I mean college actual wrestlers who cut weight and then gain weight which if you have gone through the process over and over, you would know that the cycling can take years off of your life. We don't yell at clowns at the circus who balance 100 ft on a rope with no net, but for some reason we have a huge problem with professional athletes all of a sudden and what they put into their bodies. It does not make sense.

 

The types of drugs they are using are a controlled substance and unless taken under the care of a physician are illegal. It is not just the fact that they are bad for your body. These people broke the law, if you committ the crime you should have to do the time.

[jersey cubs fan]

http://images.jrcinteractive.com/binaries/FSImage/2007/12/13/1197605170784_web_12_14_page_one_EPS_copy.jpg

[fromthestretch]

http://images.jrcinteractive.com/binaries/FSImage/2007/12/13/1197605170784_web_12_14_page_one_EPS_copy.jpg

 

Almost as good as the Ike Turner headline. Almost.

[Derwood]

did i read on the ESPN crawl that Clemens has already denied using steroids?