College Basketball 2006-2007

[CubColtPacer]

I'd be shocked if Illinois doesn't get in. Is Indiana getting in? Illini beat them twice. They also have a better overall record than Purdue, better overall than Michigan State, better overall than Indiana.

 

A case can be made that Illinois is the 3rd best team in the Big 10, despite the popular opinion against them. They're in.

 

Indiana is still getting in over Illinois. They each have no bad losses, and Indiana has the better wins-wins over Wisconsin and Southern Illinois, while Illinois doesn't have that sort of win on their resume (both teams have a win over Michigan State, Illinois has 2 wins over IU, IU one over Illinois, IU has a win over Purdue while Illinois does not). That puts IU higher on the pecking order than Illinois.

 

Could the fact that the BTT tournament was in the United Center come back to haunt the Illini? The committee could see that it was almost a home game in each of their two close wins-they might factor that it when deciding how much of a neutral site it really was.

[Productive Outs]

if tubby is fired, what little chance UK has of getting jai lucas and patrick patterson will be dead. morris could leave. if that happened, UK would not make the tournament next year. you could argue that they shouldn't be in this year, but oh well.

 

this is a good indicator in regards to the state of the program:

 

W-L vs top 50 teams since 2003

 

2003: 14-2

2004: 14-4

2005: 6-4

2006: 3-8

2007: 5-9

[UK1679666180]

if tubby is fired, what little chance UK has of getting jai lucas and patrick patterson will be dead. morris could leave. if that happened, UK would not make the tournament next year. you could argue that they shouldn't be in this year, but oh well.

 

It depends on who they would hire as well. At this point, he's a good enough coach to remain at UK, just not a good enough recruiter. He had the great class a couple of years ago (Morris, Crawford, Rondo) but if you do go the McD's route you have to do that every year as it becomes a 2 year title run.

 

At this point, I'm all for a change.

[Productive Outs]

if tubby is fired, what little chance UK has of getting jai lucas and patrick patterson will be dead. morris could leave. if that happened, UK would not make the tournament next year. you could argue that they shouldn't be in this year, but oh well.

 

It depends on who they would hire as well. At this point, he's a good enough coach to remain at UK, just not a good enough recruiter. He had the great class a couple of years ago (Morris, Crawford, Rondo) but if you do go the McD's route you have to do that every year as it becomes a 2 year title run.

 

At this point, I'm all for a change.

 

yeah, you can't surround that class with the likes of sheray thomas and bobby perry.

 

if tubby is not fired and he somehow gets both recruits, i could see them going from a mediocre team to a very good one next year. not elite, but i think they could do well.

[UK1679666180]

It'll be interesting, I don't know how loyal Tubby is to his staff, maybe making changes to his staff would help as far as recruiting w/out having to get rid of Tubby.

[rawaction]

What happens today if Wisconsin, UNC, Florida and Kansas all win today? I think OSU is the only #1 that is locked in. Wisconsin having 2 wins over OSU would have to put them as a #1 right? UNC and Florida have also beaten OSU this year. Both play in conferences that are down, but winning the SEC and ACC almost always = #1 seed, right? Well, then what about Kansas? A win and OSU loss would, for whatever it's worth, make them the #1 team in the nation in the new rankings. And they would go into the tourney with 11 straight wins.

 

If all 4 of these teams win, I'd say no way you could deny them. Ohio St. has to be a lock. Kansas has to be as close to a lock as there is, and they have a win over Florida. North Carolina is probably the longest shot if they all win. They have a couple bad losses, and NC St today wouldn't be nearly as good of a win as the other teams would have today. Then, where does Georgetown come in? Won regular and conference title (in easy fashion) in the toughest conference in the country. Won 15 of 16. Great wins in conference, but they don't have the non-conf wins that the other teams have.

 

Sorry Raisin, but I don't think UCLA has much of a shot to be a #1. They've lost 2 in a row, and no team coming off 2 losses has been a #1 seed since 1991.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

What happens today if Wisconsin, UNC, Florida and Kansas all win today? I think OSU is the only #1 that is locked in. Wisconsin having 2 wins over OSU would have to put them as a #1 right? UNC and Florida have also beaten OSU this year. Both play in conferences that are down, but winning the SEC and ACC almost always = #1 seed, right? Well, then what about Kansas? A win and OSU loss would, for whatever it's worth, make them the #1 team in the nation in the new rankings. And they would go into the tourney with 11 straight wins.

 

If all 4 of these teams win, I'd say no way you could deny them. Ohio St. has to be a lock. Kansas has to be as close to a lock as there is, and they have a win over Florida. North Carolina is probably the longest shot if they all win. They have a couple bad losses, and NC St today wouldn't be nearly as good of a win as the other teams would have today. Then, where does Georgetown come in? Won regular and conference title (in easy fashion) in the toughest conference in the country. Won 15 of 16. Great wins in conference, but they don't have the non-conf wins that the other teams have.

 

Sorry Raisin, but I don't think UCLA has much of a shot to be a #1. They've lost 2 in a row, and no team coming off 2 losses has been a #1 seed since 1991.

 

Isn't the committee forced to ignore the Big 10 championship when it comes to seeding?

[SouthSideRyan]

I'd be shocked if Illinois doesn't get in. Is Indiana getting in? Illini beat them twice. They also have a better overall record than Purdue, better overall than Michigan State, better overall than Indiana.

 

A case can be made that Illinois is the 3rd best team in the Big 10, despite the popular opinion against them. They're in.

 

Indiana is still getting in over Illinois. They each have no bad losses, and Indiana has the better wins-wins over Wisconsin and Southern Illinois, while Illinois doesn't have that sort of win on their resume (both teams have a win over Michigan State, Illinois has 2 wins over IU, IU one over Illinois, IU has a win over Purdue while Illinois does not). That puts IU higher on the pecking order than Illinois.

 

Could the fact that the BTT tournament was in the United Center come back to haunt the Illini? The committee could see that it was almost a home game in each of their two close wins-they might factor that it when deciding how much of a neutral site it really was.

 

You can call it a home game agaisnt PSU, but I have hard time seeing the argument vs. IU and Wisconsin.

[RynoRules]

Proud UAlbany Alum!!! GO DANES!!! In the Dance for the second straight season after upsetting the VT!!

 

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I'd be shocked if Illinois doesn't get in. Is Indiana getting in? Illini beat them twice. They also have a better overall record than Purdue, better overall than Michigan State, better overall than Indiana.

 

A case can be made that Illinois is the 3rd best team in the Big 10, despite the popular opinion against them. They're in.

 

Indiana is still getting in over Illinois. They each have no bad losses, and Indiana has the better wins-wins over Wisconsin and Southern Illinois, while Illinois doesn't have that sort of win on their resume (both teams have a win over Michigan State, Illinois has 2 wins over IU, IU one over Illinois, IU has a win over Purdue while Illinois does not). That puts IU higher on the pecking order than Illinois.

 

Could the fact that the BTT tournament was in the United Center come back to haunt the Illini? The committee could see that it was almost a home game in each of their two close wins-they might factor that it when deciding how much of a neutral site it really was.

 

You can call it a home game agaisnt PSU, but I have hard time seeing the argument vs. IU and Wisconsin.

 

They panned over the crowd during the IU game, and a large part of it was orange-there were definitely many more Illinois fans than IU fans there.

[CubColtPacer]

What happens today if Wisconsin, UNC, Florida and Kansas all win today? I think OSU is the only #1 that is locked in. Wisconsin having 2 wins over OSU would have to put them as a #1 right? UNC and Florida have also beaten OSU this year. Both play in conferences that are down, but winning the SEC and ACC almost always = #1 seed, right? Well, then what about Kansas? A win and OSU loss would, for whatever it's worth, make them the #1 team in the nation in the new rankings. And they would go into the tourney with 11 straight wins.

 

If all 4 of these teams win, I'd say no way you could deny them. Ohio St. has to be a lock. Kansas has to be as close to a lock as there is, and they have a win over Florida. North Carolina is probably the longest shot if they all win. They have a couple bad losses, and NC St today wouldn't be nearly as good of a win as the other teams would have today. Then, where does Georgetown come in? Won regular and conference title (in easy fashion) in the toughest conference in the country. Won 15 of 16. Great wins in conference, but they don't have the non-conf wins that the other teams have.

 

Sorry Raisin, but I don't think UCLA has much of a shot to be a #1. They've lost 2 in a row, and no team coming off 2 losses has been a #1 seed since 1991.

 

Isn't the committee forced to ignore the Big 10 championship when it comes to seeding?

 

Usually, yes. They possibly could construct a bracket with 2 different scenarios based on which team wins the game if they feel it's important though.

[soccer10k]

What happens today if Wisconsin, UNC, Florida and Kansas all win today? I think OSU is the only #1 that is locked in. Wisconsin having 2 wins over OSU would have to put them as a #1 right? UNC and Florida have also beaten OSU this year. Both play in conferences that are down, but winning the SEC and ACC almost always = #1 seed, right? Well, then what about Kansas? A win and OSU loss would, for whatever it's worth, make them the #1 team in the nation in the new rankings. And they would go into the tourney with 11 straight wins.

 

If all 4 of these teams win, I'd say no way you could deny them. Ohio St. has to be a lock. Kansas has to be as close to a lock as there is, and they have a win over Florida. North Carolina is probably the longest shot if they all win. They have a couple bad losses, and NC St today wouldn't be nearly as good of a win as the other teams would have today. Then, where does Georgetown come in? Won regular and conference title (in easy fashion) in the toughest conference in the country. Won 15 of 16. Great wins in conference, but they don't have the non-conf wins that the other teams have.

 

Sorry Raisin, but I don't think UCLA has much of a shot to be a #1. They've lost 2 in a row, and no team coming off 2 losses has been a #1 seed since 1991.

 

I would think that if Kansas wins they'll get a #1 seed especially if OSU loses to Wisconsin because they would be the top team in the final polls. OSU is also a lock. If Wisconsin and Florida both win, I think they get #1's and UNC will get left out win or lose. If either Wisconsin or Florida loses their final and UNC wins the ACC, I think UNC gets the final #1 seed. UNC might have no chance as they have 6 losses. And I agree that UCLA will not get a #1 seed unless a couple of UNC, Florida, Kansas, and Wisconsin lose.

[bukie]

I think that the conference tournaments don't mean as much as the media pundits think they do, and that the #1s are pretty much all set already in the committee. There's so much else to do in the committee that being concerned about the order of the 6 top teams at this point in the game is pointless.

[soccer10k]

I think that the conference tournaments don't mean as much as the media pundits think they do, and that the #1s are pretty much all set already in the committee. There's so much else to do in the committee that being concerned about the order of the 6 top teams at this point in the game is pointless.

 

The conference tournaments don't matter as much for the higher seeds and the top seeds aren't going to drop too much with an early round loss (i.e. UCLA is only going to drop to a 2 if they drop at all). But the conference tournament does matter a ton for the lower seeds. Just last year Syracuse went from being a bubble team to a #5 seed (complete crap FTR) because they won 4 games in 4 days to win the Big East tournament. That's where the media gets the thought that the conference tournaments mean so much. Obviously for most teams, it doesn't mean that much but it has the potential to (and that's outside of a team gaining an automatic berth when they wouldn't have had a chance at an at large).

[soccer10k]

Al Horford just limped off with an ankle/knee injury when an Arkansas player ran into his leg. Didn't look bad but didn't look too good either.

[soccer10k]

UNC is now up 14 and ready to run away with this thing.

[NCCubFan]

Bubble teams everywhere are breathing a collective sigh of relief.

[Butterscup1679666578]

What time does the selection show start?

[bukie]

Starts at 6 EDT, 5 central.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Hansbrough is getting every call, but NC State is within 3 now.

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NC State is trying their hardest to come back-it's tough when every time Hansborough gets the ball they call a foul (I've agreed with most of them but some of them have been bad calls). Ok, now that I post this they call a travel. NC by 3, a little over 5 minutes left.

[Butterscup1679666578]

This game is awesome.

[Keener98]

This UNC-NC State game is amazing. Both teams are hitting big shot after big shot wow

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NC State looks tired-they are really standing around on offense now.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

COME ON, North Carolina State.

 

I gotta think raw is right, as much as I hope bukie is right.

 

I'd rather play in Sacramento/San Jose than anything else, so if it takes a 2-seed to get there, then it does. As long as UCLA doesn't run into Kansas, Georgetown or Florida (and maybe Texas) before the Final 4, I'm confident they'll get there.