College Basketball 2006-2007

[soccer10k]

I thought that I'd give an update here-Lunardi was just on TV-his last 4 teams in are Purdue, Stanford, Drexel, and Kansas State. His last 4 teams out are Old Dominion, Illinois, Florida State, and Air Force. He said that the problem for Illinois is that it had a record of 2-10 against teams that are locked into the field. He gets about 63 or 64 out of 65 right each year, so 1 or 2 of those teams that are just out will likely be in over 1 or 2 of those teams that are just in-it will be interesting to shake out which ones those are.

 

Lunardi just likes to hear himself talk this time of the year. His last Bracketology posted on Espn.com has the last four in as Purdue, Illinois, Drexel, and Old Dominion. The last four out are Air Force, Florida State, Kansas State and West Virginia and next four out are Missouri State, Stanford, Appalacian State and Mississippi State.

 

What in the world could Kansas State and Stanford have done for themselves since this morning that moved them up to the last four in? Either he was full of you know what this morning or is now. He just moves teams around so his reports seem interesting.

 

Not that it really matters, Illinois has one and done written all over them this year. But they are more deserving than Kansas State and Stanford.

 

Yep, well said on everything. Kansas State and Stanford have no right in being ahead of Illinois for a spot tomorrow. Lunardi is becoming an egotistical, arrogant meathead these last couple of years.

 

And I'll agree that Illinois has one and done all over them. BUT, that does not mean they should be snubbed over a couple of other undeserving teams.

 

I don't know about Kansas State but Stanford most definitely deserves to be in over Illinois without question.

 

Yeah, Stanford's RPI of 65 and Strength of Schedule of 36 is WAY better than Illinois RPI of 31 and Strength of Schedule of 31.

 

I am sure an argument could be made either way, but "most definitely" and "without question" is a bit overstated.

 

10-8 in the Pac 10 is better than 9-7 in the Big 10.

 

In conference, Stanford beat UCLA, USC, WSU, Oregon. Illinois' best win is Indiana twice.

 

Stanford played more games against the Top 100 in the RPI and went 9-12, while Illinois went 7-10 though the extra games and wins were against teams between 51-100 in the RPI (both went 4-8 against Top 50). Stanford played in a better conference and beat better teams and before you play the record game, I'm sure Illinois record would have been a bit different had they played Wisconsin and OSU twice in the regular season rather than just once. And Illinois got both those two teams at home. I'm sure Stanford would have preferred to not have to travel to play UCLA and WSU also.

[wekse]

Wow, Georgetown is dominating. They look scary good with the inside game.

 

I would think that with A&M's early exit from the Big 12 tourney that Georgetown would have just earned a #2 for the NCAA tourney with this win.

 

 

i think they got a 2 seed with this as well....very good team and one to watch for in the tourney.

 

Definitely. Watching them the last few weeks has been an eye opener. Their size creates some ridiculous matchup problems - I mean, I had a huge (overconfident) Gator fan tell me yesterday the team he didn't want to face was Georgetown.

 

exactly....depending on the bracket they get dropped in, they are probably gonna be in my final 4 when i fill out my tourney.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

Wow, Georgetown is dominating. They look scary good with the inside game.

 

I would think that with A&M's early exit from the Big 12 tourney that Georgetown would have just earned a #2 for the NCAA tourney with this win.

 

 

i think they got a 2 seed with this as well....very good team and one to watch for in the tourney.

 

Definitely. Watching them the last few weeks has been an eye opener. Their size creates some ridiculous matchup problems - I mean, I had a huge (overconfident) Gator fan tell me yesterday the team he didn't want to face was Georgetown.

 

exactly....depending on the bracket they get dropped in, they are probably gonna be in my final 4 when i fill out my tourney.

 

G-town looks awesome. For some reason I have seen three of their games, and they look so complete. Their front court is massive. Jeff Green is great, and Roy Hibbard is a monster. If Wallace can continue to make shots like he has... danger!

[CubColtPacer]

I thought that I'd give an update here-Lunardi was just on TV-his last 4 teams in are Purdue, Stanford, Drexel, and Kansas State. His last 4 teams out are Old Dominion, Illinois, Florida State, and Air Force. He said that the problem for Illinois is that it had a record of 2-10 against teams that are locked into the field. He gets about 63 or 64 out of 65 right each year, so 1 or 2 of those teams that are just out will likely be in over 1 or 2 of those teams that are just in-it will be interesting to shake out which ones those are.

 

Lunardi just likes to hear himself talk this time of the year. His last Bracketology posted on Espn.com has the last four in as Purdue, Illinois, Drexel, and Old Dominion. The last four out are Air Force, Florida State, Kansas State and West Virginia and next four out are Missouri State, Stanford, Appalacian State and Mississippi State.

 

What in the world could Kansas State and Stanford have done for themselves since this morning that moved them up to the last four in? Either he was full of you know what this morning or is now. He just moves teams around so his reports seem interesting.

 

Not that it really matters, Illinois has one and done written all over them this year. But they are more deserving than Kansas State and Stanford.

 

Yep, well said on everything. Kansas State and Stanford have no right in being ahead of Illinois for a spot tomorrow. Lunardi is becoming an egotistical, arrogant meathead these last couple of years.

 

And I'll agree that Illinois has one and done all over them. BUT, that does not mean they should be snubbed over a couple of other undeserving teams.

 

I don't know about Kansas State but Stanford most definitely deserves to be in over Illinois without question.

 

Yeah, Stanford's RPI of 65 and Strength of Schedule of 36 is WAY better than Illinois RPI of 31 and Strength of Schedule of 31.

 

I am sure an argument could be made either way, but "most definitely" and "without question" is a bit overstated.

 

10-8 in the Pac 10 is better than 9-7 in the Big 10.

 

In conference, Stanford beat UCLA, USC, WSU, Oregon. Illinois' best win is Indiana twice.

 

Stanford played more games against the Top 100 in the RPI and went 9-12, while Illinois went 7-10 though the extra games and wins were against teams between 51-100 in the RPI (both went 4-8 against Top 50). Stanford played in a better conference and beat better teams and before you play the record game, I'm sure Illinois record would have been a bit different had they played Wisconsin and OSU twice in the regular season rather than just once. And Illinois got both those two teams at home. I'm sure Stanford would have preferred to not have to travel to play UCLA and WSU also.

 

Technically, the at home thing was a problem for Illinois. The rule in the Big 10 this year was-the 3-8 teams could only beat the 9-11 teams on the road, and only Ohio State and Wisconsin could beat everybody on the road. If Illinois had only played Ohio State and Wisconsin on the road instead of at home, that meant they would have played Purdue at home instead of on the road (the other game would have been Penn State, who they would have won on the road or at home). They likely would have beat Purdue at home, and so if they had played Ohio State and Wisconsin only on the road instead of only at home their conference record would be 10-6 instead of 9-7.

 

They did get a break that they only played OSU and Wisconsin both only once in the first place though-the home thing was just not an advantage for them.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Wow, Georgetown is dominating. They look scary good with the inside game.

 

I would think that with A&M's early exit from the Big 12 tourney that Georgetown would have just earned a #2 for the NCAA tourney with this win.

 

 

i think they got a 2 seed with this as well....very good team and one to watch for in the tourney.

 

Definitely. Watching them the last few weeks has been an eye opener. Their size creates some ridiculous matchup problems - I mean, I had a huge (overconfident) Gator fan tell me yesterday the team he didn't want to face was Georgetown.

 

exactly....depending on the bracket they get dropped in, they are probably gonna be in my final 4 when i fill out my tourney.

 

G-town looks awesome. For some reason I have seen three of their games, and they look so complete. Their front court is massive. Jeff Green is great, and Roy Hibbard is a monster. If Wallace can continue to make shots like he has... danger!

 

Best front line in the nation.

[soccer10k]

I thought that I'd give an update here-Lunardi was just on TV-his last 4 teams in are Purdue, Stanford, Drexel, and Kansas State. His last 4 teams out are Old Dominion, Illinois, Florida State, and Air Force. He said that the problem for Illinois is that it had a record of 2-10 against teams that are locked into the field. He gets about 63 or 64 out of 65 right each year, so 1 or 2 of those teams that are just out will likely be in over 1 or 2 of those teams that are just in-it will be interesting to shake out which ones those are.

 

Lunardi just likes to hear himself talk this time of the year. His last Bracketology posted on Espn.com has the last four in as Purdue, Illinois, Drexel, and Old Dominion. The last four out are Air Force, Florida State, Kansas State and West Virginia and next four out are Missouri State, Stanford, Appalacian State and Mississippi State.

 

What in the world could Kansas State and Stanford have done for themselves since this morning that moved them up to the last four in? Either he was full of you know what this morning or is now. He just moves teams around so his reports seem interesting.

 

Not that it really matters, Illinois has one and done written all over them this year. But they are more deserving than Kansas State and Stanford.

 

Yep, well said on everything. Kansas State and Stanford have no right in being ahead of Illinois for a spot tomorrow. Lunardi is becoming an egotistical, arrogant meathead these last couple of years.

 

And I'll agree that Illinois has one and done all over them. BUT, that does not mean they should be snubbed over a couple of other undeserving teams.

 

I don't know about Kansas State but Stanford most definitely deserves to be in over Illinois without question.

 

Yeah, Stanford's RPI of 65 and Strength of Schedule of 36 is WAY better than Illinois RPI of 31 and Strength of Schedule of 31.

 

I am sure an argument could be made either way, but "most definitely" and "without question" is a bit overstated.

 

10-8 in the Pac 10 is better than 9-7 in the Big 10.

 

In conference, Stanford beat UCLA, USC, WSU, Oregon. Illinois' best win is Indiana twice.

 

Stanford played more games against the Top 100 in the RPI and went 9-12, while Illinois went 7-10 though the extra games and wins were against teams between 51-100 in the RPI (both went 4-8 against Top 50). Stanford played in a better conference and beat better teams and before you play the record game, I'm sure Illinois record would have been a bit different had they played Wisconsin and OSU twice in the regular season rather than just once. And Illinois got both those two teams at home. I'm sure Stanford would have preferred to not have to travel to play UCLA and WSU also.

 

Technically, the at home thing was a problem for Illinois. The rule in the Big 10 this year was-the 3-8 teams could only beat the 9-11 teams on the road, and only Ohio State and Wisconsin could beat everybody on the road. If Illinois had only played Ohio State and Wisconsin on the road instead of at home, that meant they would have played Purdue at home instead of on the road (the other game would have been Penn State, who they would have won on the road or at home). They likely would have beat Purdue at home, and so if they had played Ohio State and Wisconsin only on the road instead of only at home their conference record would be 10-6 instead of 9-7.

 

They did get a break that they only played OSU and Wisconsin both only once in the first place though-the home thing was just not an advantage for them.

 

That was what I was trying to get at. I was implying that had they played Wisconsin and OSU twice in place of another team, they likely would have had at least one more loss, if not two.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

FWIW I think Stanford is much better than Illinois. I think they should get in before the Illini, but I am a Pac-10 fan. I think soccer10k does make some good points in favor of Stanford.

[CubColtPacer]

I thought that I'd give an update here-Lunardi was just on TV-his last 4 teams in are Purdue, Stanford, Drexel, and Kansas State. His last 4 teams out are Old Dominion, Illinois, Florida State, and Air Force. He said that the problem for Illinois is that it had a record of 2-10 against teams that are locked into the field. He gets about 63 or 64 out of 65 right each year, so 1 or 2 of those teams that are just out will likely be in over 1 or 2 of those teams that are just in-it will be interesting to shake out which ones those are.

 

Lunardi just likes to hear himself talk this time of the year. His last Bracketology posted on Espn.com has the last four in as Purdue, Illinois, Drexel, and Old Dominion. The last four out are Air Force, Florida State, Kansas State and West Virginia and next four out are Missouri State, Stanford, Appalacian State and Mississippi State.

 

What in the world could Kansas State and Stanford have done for themselves since this morning that moved them up to the last four in? Either he was full of you know what this morning or is now. He just moves teams around so his reports seem interesting.

 

Not that it really matters, Illinois has one and done written all over them this year. But they are more deserving than Kansas State and Stanford.

 

Yep, well said on everything. Kansas State and Stanford have no right in being ahead of Illinois for a spot tomorrow. Lunardi is becoming an egotistical, arrogant meathead these last couple of years.

 

And I'll agree that Illinois has one and done all over them. BUT, that does not mean they should be snubbed over a couple of other undeserving teams.

 

I don't know about Kansas State but Stanford most definitely deserves to be in over Illinois without question.

 

Yeah, Stanford's RPI of 65 and Strength of Schedule of 36 is WAY better than Illinois RPI of 31 and Strength of Schedule of 31.

 

I am sure an argument could be made either way, but "most definitely" and "without question" is a bit overstated.

 

10-8 in the Pac 10 is better than 9-7 in the Big 10.

 

In conference, Stanford beat UCLA, USC, WSU, Oregon. Illinois' best win is Indiana twice.

 

Stanford played more games against the Top 100 in the RPI and went 9-12, while Illinois went 7-10 though the extra games and wins were against teams between 51-100 in the RPI (both went 4-8 against Top 50). Stanford played in a better conference and beat better teams and before you play the record game, I'm sure Illinois record would have been a bit different had they played Wisconsin and OSU twice in the regular season rather than just once. And Illinois got both those two teams at home. I'm sure Stanford would have preferred to not have to travel to play UCLA and WSU also.

 

Technically, the at home thing was a problem for Illinois. The rule in the Big 10 this year was-the 3-8 teams could only beat the 9-11 teams on the road, and only Ohio State and Wisconsin could beat everybody on the road. If Illinois had only played Ohio State and Wisconsin on the road instead of at home, that meant they would have played Purdue at home instead of on the road (the other game would have been Penn State, who they would have won on the road or at home). They likely would have beat Purdue at home, and so if they had played Ohio State and Wisconsin only on the road instead of only at home their conference record would be 10-6 instead of 9-7.

 

They did get a break that they only played OSU and Wisconsin both only once in the first place though-the home thing was just not an advantage for them.

 

That was what I was trying to get at. I was implying that had they played Wisconsin and OSU twice in place of another team, they likely would have had at least one more loss, if not two.

 

That's actually probably not true. If they would have played them again, it would have replaced two other road games. UI only won two road games out of 8 in conference play (NW, Minnesota). For it to have resulted in an extra loss, 1 of those two games would of had to have been replaced, which would only be a coin flip that they would get one of those games and add 1 loss. It would be very, very unlikely that both of those would be replaced.

[TruffleShuffle]

Hey we almost won a national championship, but didn't. Get back to me when you finish the deal and win a tournament game and use your defense against a real team and not a bunch of nobodies in you pittiful little conference.

 

Maybe if Holy Cross gave out cars and money to their players, they could compete as well. But they don't.

 

There's no point in getting in a pissing contest. My school is less than 1/10 the size of Illinois. Our players do all their work themselves and take real courses in real majors because almost none of them have a chance to play pro basketball after they graduate. Our point guard is a real good player for the level he's playing at, but he's headed to law school next year. Schools in our conference and the Ivy League will never compete for a title, because we're academics first and then athletics. That's the way I want it to be, and if we can make a run at beating one of teams that has guys who took the SATs 7 times to qualify, that's great. If not, then at least we've got our league to compete for.

[SouthSideRyan]

Stanford's nonconference SOS is 116. They are 4-6 in their last 10. They lost to 3 non-tourney teams in nonconference on their own homecourt, including getting embarrassed by 30+ by Air Force, and losing big to Santa Clara.

[SouthSideRyan]

FWIW I think Stanford is much better than Illinois. I think they should get in before the Illini, but I am a Pac-10 fan. I think soccer10k does make some good points in favor of Stanford.

 

You also hate Illinois.

[Soul]

I'd be shocked if Illinois doesn't get in. Is Indiana getting in? Illini beat them twice. They also have a better overall record than Purdue, better overall than Michigan State, better overall than Indiana.

 

A case can be made that Illinois is the 3rd best team in the Big 10, despite the popular opinion against them. They're in.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Stanford's nonconference SOS is 116. They are 4-6 in their last 10. They lost to 3 non-tourney teams in nonconference on their own homecourt, including getting embarrassed by 30+ by Air Force, and losing big to Santa Clara.

 

They didn't have Brooks Lopez against Air Force and didn't have Anthony Goods for 6.5 of those 10 final games of the season.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

FWIW I think Stanford is much better than Illinois. I think they should get in before the Illini, but I am a Pac-10 fan. I think soccer10k does make some good points in favor of Stanford.

 

You also hate Illinois.

 

Not really (it's definitely way more Pac-10 homerism). And I think both should be in.

[soccer10k]

For the record, my argument isn't necessarily anti-Illinois as it is pro-Stanford i.e. I was arguing why Stanford deserved to be picked over Illinois if the two were up for the last open spot. I'm not sure if Illinois deserves to be in or not (though I may have said something like that yesterday, I'm not sure) because I haven't looked up info on the teams other than Stanford that are on the bubble.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Grr, everyone on ESPN seems to think UCLA has lost their 1-seed. I hope bukie and co are right!!

[SouthSideRyan]

Grr, everyone on ESPN seems to think UCLA has lost their 1-seed. I hope bukie and co are right!!

 

Bilas is the only one worth listening to, though the Beav's final projection will be of some value.

[NCCubFan]

Holy Cross is not beating anyone in this tournament.

Nice to know you have magical insights into the future. The fact is that, other than a #16 seed beating a #1 seed, anything can and has happened in the tournament.

[SouthSideRyan]

Holy Cross is not beating anyone in this tournament.

Nice to know you have magical insights into the future. The fact is that, other than a #16 seed beating a #1 seed, anything can and has happened in the tournament.

 

Well, Kansas is a 1 seed this year.

[snoodmonger]

Holy Cross is not beating anyone in this tournament.

Nice to know you have magical insights into the future. The fact is that, other than a #16 seed beating a #1 seed, anything can and has happened in the tournament.

 

Well, Kansas is a 1 seed this year.

 

if only we had UI's storied history of deep tourney runs.

[SouthSideRyan]

Man people are feisty around here lately.

[snoodmonger]

Man people are feisty around here lately.

 

just a couple of snarky comments between internet friends. no harm meant.

[SouthSideRyan]

I have it coming in advance for my first 10 posts about college basketball when U of I gets snubbed tomorrow.

[soccer10k]

Holy Cross is not beating anyone in this tournament.

Nice to know you have magical insights into the future. The fact is that, other than a #16 seed beating a #1 seed, anything can and has happened in the tournament.

 

Well, Kansas is a 1 seed this year.

 

:lol: =D> Very nice.

[soccer10k]

Finally saw the ending of the MAC championship game and I have to wonder, how on earth did the referee's end up with 0.6 seconds left on the clock. That made absolutely no sense. I could see 0 and I could somehow (albeit incorrectly) see 1.2. But 0.6? They're just lucky Miami didn't get burned at the end with the extra time that was put back on the clock.