Getting sick of Juan Pierre.

[beersoakedivy]

With his numbers, I don't think Pierre will be around next year.

 

I certainly hope not if he continues this way the rest of the season. If he is somewhere else next year I would'nt be surprised if he returns to the old Pierre. Thats just the way it goes for the CUBS....far too often.

[RynoRules]

With his numbers, I don't think Pierre will be around next year.

 

He'd have to turn it around in a way that belies his career nos. He gone.

[Soul]

With his numbers, I don't think Pierre will be around next year.

 

He'd have to turn it around in a way that belies his career nos. He gone.

 

I'd love to see Pie brought up sooner rather than later. Seriously, we don't need Bynum on this team badly enough to deny Pie a shot on a team that's listing badly. If someone gets hurt, we muddle through for a game or two until someone else is called up.

 

This should be done TODAY.

[abuck1220]

the frigid conditions in san diego have limited pierre to an 0-13 in the series.

 

:cold:

[Ding Dong Johnson]

the frigid conditions in san diego have limited pierre to an 0-13 in the series.

 

:cold:

 

It has to be triple digits for him to get started. Boy, then watch out.

[RyCubsFan]

I would go so far as to say that JP is the 3rd best hitter on this team. If all we rate him on is his OBP we are doing him a disservice.

 

Still think JP is the "3rd best hitter on this team?"

 

Walker, Ramirez, Cedeno, Murton, Barrett are all much better hitters than Juan Pierre. Probably even Jones.

[cheapseats]

Have any of you stopped to think that maybe Juan Pierre is getting sick of you?

[cubweiser03]

Have any of you stopped to think that maybe Juan Pierre is getting sick of you?

 

If I stop to think i will be dead. So no. :wink:

[TuffyRhodes]

After watching Friday and Saturday's games, I decided to do a little research this morning on Pierre and his groundouts to the pitcher and 2nd base.

 

I found the percentage lower than I anticipated, although my expectations might have been too high after watching Friday and Saturday's games where 7 out of 8 (87.5%) of his outs were to the pitcher or second base.

 

Notes: Bunt outs to either the pitcher or 2nd base were not included. All of the outs with the exception of two (one pop-out on Friday and one line-out on Saturday) were ground ball outs. During the first 30 games, Pierre reached base on an error by the 2nd baseman once, recorded three infield hits to 2nd, and recorded a single when the ball hit Cedeno while he he was running between first and second. None of these items were included in the below calculations. His longest streak was between games 4 and 5 where he recorded 5 consecutive ground outs to the 2nd base. He reached base just one time during those two games, an infield single to second.

 

 

Juan Pierre outs recorded by pitcher or 2nd baseman:

 

Games 1-10: 30 outs / 14 to pitcher or 2nd - 46.7% of outs

Games 11-20: 26 outs / 6 to picher or 2nd - 23.1% of outs

Games 21-30: 32 outs / 15 to pitcher or 2nd - 46.9% of outs

 

Totals through first 30 games:

 

88 outs / 35 to pitcher or 2nd - 39.8% of outs

 

If you remove his 12 strikeouts from the total, the pitcher or 2nd baseman has recorded 46.1% of Pierre's outs when he puts the ball in play.

[oldstyle81]

maybe he should sacrifice some speed and start lifting wieghts so he might actually hit the ball out of the infield

[abuck1220]

interesting, though not surprising.

 

as i've said before, teams seem to just be killing him inside because he can't pull anything w/ any authority. the majority of his hits are bunts to the left side or slaps past a drawn in 3b, so it makes no sense to pitch him outside...you'd just be playing to his (few) strengths.

[Chocolate Milk]

Juan Pierre's head is the size of a tic-tac.

[stitchface]

I would go so far as to say that JP is the 3rd best hitter on this team. If all we rate him on is his OBP we are doing him a disservice.

 

Still think JP is the "3rd best hitter on this team?"

 

Walker, Ramirez, Cedeno, Murton, Barrett are all much better hitters than Juan Pierre. Probably even Jones.

 

is this sort of calling out of a poster really necessary?

[Warpticon]

Unbelievable numbers.

 

There wasn't a person on here, myself included, who didn't think Pierre was at least an upgrade over CPatt. Now look.

 

There were people. I thought he was an improvement over 2005 Patterson (who wouldn't be?). But I also thought 2006 would be an improvement over 2005 Patterson. I didn't imagine Pierre would be *this* bad, though. It's as if he's going out of his way to illustrate exactly why those of us who believe high contact rates and speed to be vastly overrated (it's mostly a case of mistaking cause for effect and not taking into account the established result profile--IE, statistics.) in a player who contributes nothing else, such as Pierre.

 

In my desparate attempt to look at the bright side, I an only say that this makes it that much easier to determine the direction of the Cubs' future in center field, as Pierre can't possibly be blocking Pie for more than this year--possibly not for more than another couple of months.

[RyCubsFan]

I would go so far as to say that JP is the 3rd best hitter on this team. If all we rate him on is his OBP we are doing him a disservice.

 

Still think JP is the "3rd best hitter on this team?"

 

Walker, Ramirez, Cedeno, Murton, Barrett are all much better hitters than Juan Pierre. Probably even Jones.

 

is this sort of calling out of a poster really necessary?

 

It's just gentle ribbing. There's nothing mean spirited in my post. One shouldn't take a message board so seriously my friend.

 

Besides, I thought I was being polite but pulling out this quote when there were several others that would have been worse! If/when JP starts hitting, I welcome anyone to pull out my quotes. I'd be happy to be wrong about him.

[oldstyle81]

Unbelievable numbers.

 

There wasn't a person on here, myself included, who didn't think Pierre was at least an upgrade over CPatt. Now look.

 

its could be worse in my opinon, instead of Corey just striking out Pierre is putting the ball in play and is not hitting the ball out of the infield. This could lead to a injury and many more double plays in later innings

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Base knock for Slappy J! The thread can end!!!

[BigSlick]

I got a hunger

 

and that hunger can only be fed with some pie.

 

Some Felix Pie.

[Guest]

Unbelievable numbers.

 

There wasn't a person on here, myself included, who didn't think Pierre was at least an upgrade over CPatt. Now look.

Ahem.

[sethuel1]

Unbelievable numbers.

 

There wasn't a person on here, myself included, who didn't think Pierre was at least an upgrade over CPatt. Now look.

Ahem.

 

Who are you? He meant established posters.

[wastra]

If Slappy McSwingingbunt doesn't get on a tear this year, it'll make, what, 3 out of six full seasons that are below average for a leadoff hitter?

[TruffleShuffle]

If Slappy McSwingingbunt doesn't get on a tear this year, it'll make, what, 3 out of six full seasons that are below average for a leadoff hitter?

 

Yeah, but he's fast!

[Rob]

Juan Pierre just made it all worthwhile with that grab. He totally just robbed Barry of 714.

[rocket]

Juan Pierre just made it all worthwhile with that grab. He totally just robbed Barry of 714.

 

Not even close. He's still crap offensively, one good catch notwithstanding.

[Productive Outs]

Juan Pierre just made it all worthwhile with that grab. He totally just robbed Barry of 714.

 

Not even close. He's still crap offensively, one good catch notwithstanding.

 

he's still crap defensively too, one good catch notwithstanding.