Getting sick of Juan Pierre.

[CubfaninCA]

By the way what is worse:

 

WAAAAY Overpaying for a guy hitting .219/.324/.273/.597 with 8 SB

 

Or way overpaying (in prospects) for a guy hitting .230/.275/.300/.575 with 11 SB, because you couldn't sign the other guy.

 

 

Looks like so far, Hendry was in a lose lose situation regarding his quest for a leadoff guy

 

Todd Walker would have been a fine leadoff guy. Leadoff man was only a weakness when Dusty would bat Corey leadoff.

 

Murton too.

 

the more i think about this, the more it makes sense. murton's SLG is really low for a lower-half of the order guy... his .370ish OBP would look nice in the leadoff spot

 

bat him 2nd. the cubs need some speed batting #1. cedeno can do that. a team that gets few extra base hit isn't going to score many runs playing station to station ball.

[BigbadB]

bat him 2nd. the cubs need some speed batting #1. cedeno can do that. a team that gets few extra base hit isn't going to score many runs playing station to station ball.

 

A Todd Walker double mixed with some single's for an OBP of .350+ is far better in the lead off spot than Juan Pierre's rare single's and stolen bases to the tune of a sub .300 OBP.

 

Granted, it would be nice if Walker had Cedeno type speed, but I'd sacrifice the speed for better OBP.

[cheapseats]

By the way what is worse:

 

WAAAAY Overpaying for a guy hitting .219/.324/.273/.597 with 8 SB

 

Or way overpaying (in prospects) for a guy hitting .230/.275/.300/.575 with 11 SB, because you couldn't sign the other guy.

 

 

Looks like so far, Hendry was in a lose lose situation regarding his quest for a leadoff guy

 

Todd Walker would have been a fine leadoff guy. Leadoff man was only a weakness when Dusty would bat Corey leadoff.

 

Murton too.

 

the more i think about this, the more it makes sense. murton's SLG is really low for a lower-half of the order guy... his .370ish OBP would look nice in the leadoff spot

 

bat him 2nd. the cubs need some speed batting #1. cedeno can do that. a team that gets few extra base hit isn't going to score many runs playing station to station ball.

 

Murton could be a GIDP machine batting 2nd. As of a few days ago, he was hitting the second-most groundballs in the NL, behind only Juan Pierre.

[CubfaninCA]

bat him 2nd. the cubs need some speed batting #1. cedeno can do that. a team that gets few extra base hit isn't going to score many runs playing station to station ball.

 

A Todd Walker double mixed with some single's for an OBP of .350+ is far better in the lead off spot than Juan Pierre's rare single's and stolen bases to the tune of a sub .300 OBP.

 

Granted, it would be nice if Walker had Cedeno type speed, but I'd sacrifice the speed for better OBP.

 

without lee, gotta keep walker batting 3rd now. he's one of the few guys w/ some power. if lee's back, sure i'd take walker batting leadoff cause sub 300 obp is awful, but gotta manufacture some runs w/out lee and cedeno's better served for that.

 

if the skid gets to 10, shake it up & go w/ cedeno, murton, walker, aram, barrett, jones, pierre, nef...

 

when lee returns, I still go w/ that top 3 and bat lee and aram 4 & 5. at least they'll have guys on.

[rocket]

The Cubs need someone on base at leadoff before they need speed. Speed at the top has done nothing for us this year, it's time to get guys on base first. Murton has decent speed anyways.

[XZero771679666304]

Bat Murton first and Pierre second. Juan would be great at hitting the ball to the right side to advance the runner.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Bat Murton first and Pierre second. Juan would be great at hitting into double plays.

 

Fixed. :cry:

[XZero771679666304]

Bat Murton first and Pierre second. Juan would be great at hitting into double plays.

 

Fixed. :cry:

 

Nah, they would have to be hard hit grounders for that.

[rocket]

Bat Murton first and Pierre second. Juan would be great at hitting into double plays.

 

Fixed. :cry:

 

Nah, they would have to be hard hit grounders for that.

 

I can see your point. Murton draws a walk. Pierre hits a soft grounder, Murton out at 2nd, Pierre is too fast/ball is hit too softly for a double play to occur. Now Pierre is at first and can get in the pitcher's head and Cubs score 13 runs!

[cheapseats]

Bat Murton first and Pierre second. Juan would be great at hitting into double plays.

 

Fixed. :cry:

 

Too true. Juan hit into double plays just as frequently as Moises Alou last year.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Bat Murton first and Pierre second. Juan would be great at hitting into double plays.

 

Fixed. :cry:

 

Nah, they would have to be hard hit grounders for that.

 

I can see your point. Murton draws a walk. Pierre hits a soft grounder, Murton out at 2nd, Pierre is too fast/ball is hit too softly for a double play to occur. Now Pierre is at first and can get in the pitcher's head and Cubs score 13 runs!

 

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[CubfaninCA]

The Cubs need someone on base at leadoff before they need speed. Speed at the top has done nothing for us this year, it's time to get guys on base first. Murton has decent speed anyways.

 

yeah, because the guy w/ speed is in a massive slump.

 

get murton on w/ a single or walk and they need two base hits to get him in. good luck stringing those hits together, w/ this club. bat cedeno first instead and up the chances of getting someone across the plate.

 

station to station baseball doesn't work w/ one power hitter. probably not even two. get three and probably.

[rocket]

The Cubs need someone on base at leadoff before they need speed. Speed at the top has done nothing for us this year, it's time to get guys on base first. Murton has decent speed anyways.

 

yeah, because the guy w/ speed is in a massive slump.

 

get murton on w/ a single or walk and they need two base hits to get him in. good luck stringing those hits together, w/ this club. bat cedeno first instead and up the chances of getting someone across the plate.

 

station to station baseball doesn't work w/ one power hitter. probably not even two. get three and probably.

 

But Murton getting on base more and going station to station definitely outweighs Pierre rarely getting on base and maybe taking an extra base.

[XZero771679666304]

Perhaps I didn't make it obvious enough, but I was being facetious.

[CubfaninCA]

The Cubs need someone on base at leadoff before they need speed. Speed at the top has done nothing for us this year, it's time to get guys on base first. Murton has decent speed anyways.

 

yeah, because the guy w/ speed is in a massive slump.

 

get murton on w/ a single or walk and they need two base hits to get him in. good luck stringing those hits together, w/ this club. bat cedeno first instead and up the chances of getting someone across the plate.

 

station to station baseball doesn't work w/ one power hitter. probably not even two. get three and probably.

 

But Murton getting on base more and going station to station definitely outweighs Pierre rarely getting on base and maybe taking an extra base.

 

I have no problem moving Pierre to 7th or 8th. I'd just prefer Cedeno leading off over Murton. Cedeno 1 & Murton 2 is fine w/ me.

[XZero771679666304]

The Cubs need someone on base at leadoff before they need speed. Speed at the top has done nothing for us this year, it's time to get guys on base first. Murton has decent speed anyways.

 

yeah, because the guy w/ speed is in a massive slump.

 

get murton on w/ a single or walk and they need two base hits to get him in. good luck stringing those hits together, w/ this club. bat cedeno first instead and up the chances of getting someone across the plate.

 

station to station baseball doesn't work w/ one power hitter. probably not even two. get three and probably.

 

But Murton getting on base more and going station to station definitely outweighs Pierre rarely getting on base and maybe taking an extra base.

 

I have no problem moving Pierre to 7th or 8th. I'd just prefer Cedeno leading off over Murton. Cedeno 1 & Murton 2 is fine w/ me.

 

But Cedeno's OBP isn't that great, either. Better than Pierre's, but not lead-off caliber.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The Cubs need someone on base at leadoff before they need speed. Speed at the top has done nothing for us this year, it's time to get guys on base first. Murton has decent speed anyways.

 

yeah, because the guy w/ speed is in a massive slump.

 

get murton on w/ a single or walk and they need two base hits to get him in. good luck stringing those hits together, w/ this club. bat cedeno first instead and up the chances of getting someone across the plate.

 

station to station baseball doesn't work w/ one power hitter. probably not even two. get three and probably.

 

But Murton getting on base more and going station to station definitely outweighs Pierre rarely getting on base and maybe taking an extra base.

 

I have no problem moving Pierre to 7th or 8th. I'd just prefer Cedeno leading off over Murton. Cedeno 1 & Murton 2 is fine w/ me.

 

Murton & Walker 1 & 2 is even better.

[CubfaninCA]

The Cubs need someone on base at leadoff before they need speed. Speed at the top has done nothing for us this year, it's time to get guys on base first. Murton has decent speed anyways.

 

yeah, because the guy w/ speed is in a massive slump.

 

get murton on w/ a single or walk and they need two base hits to get him in. good luck stringing those hits together, w/ this club. bat cedeno first instead and up the chances of getting someone across the plate.

 

station to station baseball doesn't work w/ one power hitter. probably not even two. get three and probably.

 

But Murton getting on base more and going station to station definitely outweighs Pierre rarely getting on base and maybe taking an extra base.

 

I have no problem moving Pierre to 7th or 8th. I'd just prefer Cedeno leading off over Murton. Cedeno 1 & Murton 2 is fine w/ me.

 

Murton & Walker 1 & 2 is even better.

 

who's 3-4-5? aram, barrett and jones? :shock:

[RynoRules]

How about this:

 

Murton (this reminds me so much of when Boggs led off in the Sox lineup in the 80's)

Cedeno

Walker

ARam

Barrett

Jones

Hairston

Pierre

 

This lineup still stinks, BTW.

[CubfaninCA]

the big problem w/ leading off murton is baker. i think he'd do this lineup before any of the proposed..

 

cedeno, walker, murton, aram, jones, barret, pierre and nef

 

baker won't look at murton's .942 ops w/ risp, but he'll look at his 17 rbis, which is 2nd on the team.