Cubs acquire Jody Gerut from Cleveland for Jason Dubois

[rickrolled]

Or maybe...just maybe... he might replace Macias....

 

I wish, but I don't see Hendry dumping him.

[Roast]

Dooby struck out a ton, and he was given a chance. He blew it. See ya later.

 

Derrek Lee's first full season:

 

AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS

.233/.318/.414/.732

 

What a pathetic loser.

 

For EVERY derrek Lee you pull out, I could pull out 10 that didn't turn into him. At least 10 probably a larger ratio.

 

Cubsin05 said it first, but...

 

 

Werent most of todays stars rookies once, too?

[badger1679666666]

Dooby struck out a ton, and he was given a chance. He blew it. See ya later.

 

Derrek Lee's first full season:

 

AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS

.233/.318/.414/.732

 

What a pathetic loser.

 

For EVERY derrek Lee you pull out, I could pull out 10 that didn't turn into him. At least 10 probably a larger ratio.

 

I don't doubt that. The point is that Dubois' career, or his shot in the bigs, is hardly over. He still has the potential to turn into an impact bat.

 

Stupid online sports debates. :D

 

no you are right, Dubois could very well turn into an impact player, but I don't see it happeneing in the near future. Hell, I could be wrong, I could be right. Let's just wait to see what happens, before judging this trade.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I just dont see this leading to another deal.

 

What insight do you have that points you to that?

 

While all we are doing is speculating, it is an educated speculation. We are combining Information from a very reliable posters Source, and Jim Hendry's track record. (he has traded for someone who is unwanted/meaningly/sucky and spun him in bigger deal. See: Aram & Lofton for Hill and Jose Hernandez, 2003)

 

This isnt that far of a streatch.

 

Do you think a guy like Jody is a deal breaker in a blockbuster deal? Guys like him are a dime a dozen. It's ok to speculate... heck I do it in cards trades. I'm just sayin... Jody freakin Gerut??

[brinoch]

Dooby struck out a ton, and he was given a chance. He blew it. See ya later.

 

Derrek Lee's first full season:

 

AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS

.233/.318/.414/.732

 

What a pathetic loser.

 

Yes but Derrek Lee is 29 (soon to be 30) We dont have 5 years for Dubois to develop. Wish him good luck. He will develop on a team that's rebuilding.

 

And how do you propose to pay for a team with a pitching staff that will rapidly increase in cost as Prior and Zambrano head towards FA? Ramirez is getting a big boost, and we have Lee in a contract year next season. A team needs cheap production from somewhere. Right now, we're getting it from the pitching staff -- soon, we'll need to get it from somewhere on the field. That's just baseball economics.

 

If you properly construct your team, you can easily integrate a rookie starter. See the Atlanta Braves and all the talent they developed from within. You merely need the fortitude to roll with the punches and the inevitable slumps.

[USSoccer]

I just dont see this leading to another deal.

 

What insight do you have that points you to that?

 

While all we are doing is speculating, it is an educated speculation. We are combining Information from a very reliable posters Source, and Jim Hendry's track record. (he has traded for someone who is unwanted/meaningly/sucky and spun him in bigger deal. See: Aram & Lofton for Hill and Jose Hernandez, 2003)

 

This isnt that far of a streatch.

 

Do you think a guy like Jody is a deal breaker in a blockbuster deal? Guys like him are a dime a dozen. It's ok to speculate... heck I do it in cards trades. I'm just sayin... Jody freakin Gerut??

 

As Vance said, Gerut is better than Jason Lane, so in one way he's an upgrade over an offer that was on the table for Dunn. Thus, Gerut doesn't have to play the role of superstar prospect or stud OF; he just has to be better than Jason Lane.

[badger1679666666]

Why is it a bad trade? Who really cares.

 

It gets me frustrated that Cub fans care SO MUCH about prospects. If you want to win a World Series, you don't do it with rookies. You need proven players.

 

Dooby struck out a ton, and he was given a chance. He blew it. See ya later.

 

KRod and Miguel Cabrera say hello.

 

Dubois wouldn't even be able to SNIFF their jock straps. For the most part, WS teams have veterans. I can pick a few rookie studs out of my butt, but Doobie is not one of them.

 

So you have a quote in your signature about dusty sitting the youth, then an Eye rolling emoticon.

 

Yet you say here that WS winners are veteran.... Uh...How does this make sense.

 

I rolled my eyes at his philosophy. I'm not advocating that ALL young players play, but at some point you have to play them. If the organization feels that Dubois is not the type of player they want to build upon that's fine by me, I agree. I'd rather have higher OBP guys. Like Matt Murton.

[Outshined_One]

Maybe the Cubs have finally realized the importance of having high OBP guys on their roster? Jody Gerut seems to fit that mold.

 

It'd make sense if his splits weren't so extreme. His OPS against lefties this year is .197.

[Roast]

I just dont see this leading to another deal.

 

What insight do you have that points you to that?

 

While all we are doing is speculating, it is an educated speculation. We are combining Information from a very reliable posters Source, and Jim Hendry's track record. (he has traded for someone who is unwanted/meaningly/sucky and spun him in bigger deal. See: Aram & Lofton for Hill and Jose Hernandez, 2003)

 

This isnt that far of a streatch.

 

Do you think a guy like Jody is a deal breaker in a blockbuster deal? Guys like him are a dime a dozen. It's ok to speculate... heck I do it in cards trades. I'm just sayin... Jody freakin Gerut??

 

Please go back and read what Vance said.

 

The Reds reportedly wanted Jason Lane from the astro's as The "established position player".

 

Jody Gerut > Jason Lane

 

Makes sense.

[FloridaCubbie]

I will never understand the obsession/infatuation with Jason Dubois.

 

It's the same infatuation people had with Choi, Hill, Harris, etc. In some people's eyes, youth > proven veteran in every case. In the above mentioned players, i don't regret trading one of them.

Choi got us Derrek Lee

 

Hill got us ARam

 

Harris got us Nomar

 

Dubois got us Gerut

 

 

Of the first three Lee and Nomar, were both Above average Vets and Nomar filled a hole. Aram was more a project, he always had talent, put up great minor league numbers and had a great 2001. He was injured in 2002 but played through it, resulting in a horrible year. 2003 he was playing better, and he filled a hole. We had Grudz playing well at 2B thus making Hill tradeable.

 

Gerut has had a decent year, in 2003, but it was so far out of line with everything he's shown in previous years, and he has continued to regress since 2003. Aram improved after his horrible 2002. Gerut has not shown signs of returning to form, doesn't fill any hole I can see, and was trded for someone who has had a bad 150 AB in the majors and an imperssive 1,600 Ab in the minors. His 2003 just screams fluke to me. I hope I'm wrong.

Edited July 19, 2005 by FloridaCubbie

[sonicdethmonkey0]

the more i think about this trade, the more i get the feeling we just traded for a lefty version of jerry hairston

 

ONE JERRY IS ENOUGH

 

 

hmm. i wonder what mediocre player we will trade ronny cedeno for?

[Geech]

Please go back and read what Vance said.

 

The Reds reportedly wanted Jason Lane from the astro's as The "established position player".

 

Jody Gerut > Jason Lane

 

Makes sense.

 

I don't know much about Jason Lane, but all Jody has established is a future as a role-player.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

So, assuming we keep Gerut. What's his role? Does he take Hollandsworth's spot as the LHed part of the platoon. Does he take Hairston's spot in CF? Is he simply a versatile bench player and takes Grieve's spot?

 

What's going to be the consequence of this move?

 

As much as I like Dubois, I don't think we made a bad move. Dubois was going to be of little value to the 2005 Cubs and likely wasn't in the future plans as long as Dusty was running the team. I'm just trying to figure what this move does to the configuration of the current club.

 

And even though I doubt a deal is imminent, just think where we are playing? Wouldn't it be lovely to bring Adam Dunn with us to St. Louis this weekend?

[Iceblink]

Bad bad trade. Dubois > Gerut. I don't mind trading Jason, but I want something more than Gerut for him. Sheez. What does this guy bring to the table that Hollandsworth doesn't??

 

Hendry not off to a good July start here.

 

 

I disagree, Hendry got a pretty establish major league guy for Dubois who is still considered a prospect. The Indians don't know what they are getting (but because they have the DH Dubois will have the opportunity it hit).

 

Agree with you. While I love Doobie, I wouldn't say he's considered a prospect at this point...more of a AAAA guy who can't play the OF in MLB. He could prove me wrong, especially now that he can DH and maybe get a turn at 1B once in a while.

 

Gerut is only a year and a half older than Dubois, and Jason's value as a 1B/DH is far less than it was if he could've played LF. Seemed clear Dubois had no future with the Cubs, so getting a decent player for him is a quality move, IMO.

 

While he does seem very Hollandsworth-ish, Gerut is a better option than Dubois or Grieve.

 

It does make some sense that this move could lead to another - but I have a hunch Murton is more likely to be traded than Gerut. I think the odds are long against it leading to Dunn or even Kearns, but we can keep hoping.

 

BTW, reading the official Indians board, the first few posts say that Dubois can play 3B, SS, and OF, and another said that he was platooning in LF with Patterson.

[Blueheart05]

Dooby struck out a ton, and he was given a chance. He blew it. See ya later.

 

Derrek Lee's first full season:

 

AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS

.233/.318/.414/.732

 

What a pathetic loser.

 

For EVERY derrek Lee you pull out, I could pull out 10 that didn't turn into him. At least 10 probably a larger ratio.

 

I don't doubt that. The point is that Dubois' career, or his shot in the bigs, is hardly over. He still has the potential to turn into an impact bat.

 

Stupid online sports debates. :D

 

no you are right, Dubois could very well turn into an impact player, but I don't see it happeneing in the near future. Hell, I could be wrong, I could be right. Let's just wait to see what happens, before judging this trade.

 

 

LOL, exactly, he could turn out to be rookie of the year next year and still not be good longterm (see Hollandsworth, former rookie of the year).

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Why is it a bad trade? Who really cares.

 

It gets me frustrated that Cub fans care SO MUCH about prospects. If you want to win a World Series, you don't do it with rookies. You need proven players.

 

Dooby struck out a ton, and he was given a chance. He blew it. See ya later.

 

KRod and Miguel Cabrera say hello.

 

Dubois wouldn't even be able to SNIFF their jock straps. For the most part, WS teams have veterans. I can pick a few rookie studs out of my butt, but Doobie is not one of them.

 

So you have a quote in your signature about dusty sitting the youth, then an Eye rolling emoticon.

 

Yet you say here that WS winners are veteran.... Uh...How does this make sense.

 

I rolled my eyes at his philosophy. I'm not advocating that ALL young players play, but at some point you have to play them. If the organization feels that Dubois is not the type of player they want to build upon that's fine by me, I agree. I'd rather have higher OBP guys. Like Matt Murton.

 

Dubois has better OBP numbers at higher levels than Murton, in addition to better power.

[brinoch]

Maybe the Cubs have finally realized the importance of having high OBP guys on their roster? Jody Gerut seems to fit that mold.

 

It'd make sense if his splits weren't so extreme. His OPS against lefties this year is .197.

 

23 AB vs. lefties this year -- a rather small sample size. Now, the .613 OPS against lefties in 283 AB's over the least three years... that I'll buy.

[Beer_Bong]

Maybe the Cubs have finally realized the importance of having high OBP guys on their roster? Jody Gerut seems to fit that mold.

 

It'd make sense if his splits weren't so extreme. His OPS against lefties this year is .197.

 

Yikes!! I didn't know he was so lousy against lefties :shock:

[Geech]

So, assuming we keep Gerut. What's his role? Does he take Hollandsworth's spot as the LHed part of the platoon. Does he take Hairston's spot in CF? Is he simply a versatile bench player and takes Grieve's spot?

 

He's a veratile bench player now that Greenberg's head is broke.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I just dont see this leading to another deal.

 

What insight do you have that points you to that?

 

While all we are doing is speculating, it is an educated speculation. We are combining Information from a very reliable posters Source, and Jim Hendry's track record. (he has traded for someone who is unwanted/meaningly/sucky and spun him in bigger deal. See: Aram & Lofton for Hill and Jose Hernandez, 2003)

 

This isnt that far of a streatch.

 

Do you think a guy like Jody is a deal breaker in a blockbuster deal? Guys like him are a dime a dozen. It's ok to speculate... heck I do it in cards trades. I'm just sayin... Jody freakin Gerut??

 

As Vance said, Gerut is better than Jason Lane, so in one way he's an upgrade over an offer that was on the table for Dunn. Thus, Gerut doesn't have to play the role of superstar prospect or stud OF; he just has to be better than Jason Lane.

 

I will say Lane was considered to have more upside I believe (no idea if he still does). I guess the Cubs needed a back up CF who is also happens to be a local guy. I can't believe the reds wouldnt do a deal for a below avg OFer... heck they have a glut of OFers as it is...

[Outshined_One]

One other thing about the Jason Lane thing...

 

I get the feeling that the Reds aren't seeking a specific player so much as they're looking to pick the top prospects/young players from each organization as opposed to acquiring a need player. Although, I never knew Jason Lane was 29 years old. That kinda surprised me.

 

In other words, they might be asking for the following packages from each team...

 

LA Dodgers: Chad Billingsley, Cesar Izturis, and James Loney

Cubs: Jerome Williams, Felix Pie, and Sean Marshall

Boston: Hanley Ramirez, Bronson Arroyo, and Anibal Sanchez

Baltimore: Erik Bedard, Hayden Penn, and Nick Markarkis

 

etc...

[Mizzou]

I don't think anyone has brought up this possibility: might Burnitz be dealt?

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I just dont see this leading to another deal.

 

What insight do you have that points you to that?

 

While all we are doing is speculating, it is an educated speculation. We are combining Information from a very reliable posters Source, and Jim Hendry's track record. (he has traded for someone who is unwanted/meaningly/sucky and spun him in bigger deal. See: Aram & Lofton for Hill and Jose Hernandez, 2003)

 

This isnt that far of a streatch.

 

Do you think a guy like Jody is a deal breaker in a blockbuster deal? Guys like him are a dime a dozen. It's ok to speculate... heck I do it in cards trades. I'm just sayin... Jody freakin Gerut??

 

As Vance said, Gerut is better than Jason Lane, so in one way he's an upgrade over an offer that was on the table for Dunn. Thus, Gerut doesn't have to play the role of superstar prospect or stud OF; he just has to be better than Jason Lane.

 

I will say Lane was considered to have more upside I believe (no idea if he still does). I guess the Cubs needed a back up CF who is also happens to be a local guy. I can't believe the reds wouldnt do a deal for a below avg OFer... heck they have a glut of OFers as it is...

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I just dont see this leading to another deal.

 

What insight do you have that points you to that?

 

While all we are doing is speculating, it is an educated speculation. We are combining Information from a very reliable posters Source, and Jim Hendry's track record. (he has traded for someone who is unwanted/meaningly/sucky and spun him in bigger deal. See: Aram & Lofton for Hill and Jose Hernandez, 2003)

 

This isnt that far of a streatch.

 

Do you think a guy like Jody is a deal breaker in a blockbuster deal? Guys like him are a dime a dozen. It's ok to speculate... heck I do it in cards trades. I'm just sayin... Jody freakin Gerut??

 

As Vance said, Gerut is better than Jason Lane, so in one way he's an upgrade over an offer that was on the table for Dunn. Thus, Gerut doesn't have to play the role of superstar prospect or stud OF; he just has to be better than Jason Lane.

 

I will say Lane was considered to have more upside I believe (no idea if he still does). I guess the Cubs needed a back up CF who is also happens to be a local guy. I can't believe the reds wouldnt do a deal for a below avg OFer... heck they have a glut of OFers as it is...

[Jon]

So, assuming we keep Gerut. What's his role? Does he take Hollandsworth's spot as the LHed part of the platoon. Does he take Hairston's spot in CF? Is he simply a versatile bench player and takes Grieve's spot?

 

He's a veratile bench player now that Greenberg's head is broke.

Greenberg should be ready soon. He already started taking BP.