Cubs acquire Jody Gerut from Cleveland for Jason Dubois

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Ouch! And from a mod too. I think I may have to call upon the panel of experts for backup. :ninja:

 

1 vote for vance is cool

 

Yes. :cheers:

[Roast]

How many teams besides the A's make trades and use the newly acquired players to turn around and make another trade? I'm not trying to insult anyone, I'm genuinely curious how many times in recent history its been done (discluding the Oakland A's though).

 

We technically did when we acquired Mienkyalphabet and sent him to Boston as part of the Nomar deal.

 

I think we also aquired Orlando Cabrera right before shipping him away too....(also the nomar deal)

[brinoch]

How many teams besides the A's make trades and use the newly acquired players to turn around and make another trade? I'm not trying to insult anyone, I'm genuinely curious how many times in recent history its been done (discluding the Oakland A's though).

 

Actually, Hendry has done this recently. Mientkiewicz from the Twins and Cabrera from the Expos were acquired and spun to the Red Sox for Nomar last season. In 2003, Hernandez from the Rockies was traded to the Pirates in the deal for Ramirez and Lofton.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

On the other hand, the Reds could want a completely different set of players from the Cubs. I discussed that in the thread that I first revealed the information. I still believe that is most likely.

 

See, I agree with you here. They may have asked for a similar player, but it doesn't make sense for them to actively desire and seek out that type of player, which means that acquiring such a player does not necessarily make it more likely the Cubs will acquire Dunn.

 

It's not logical to ignore a better interpretation simply to achieve your desired results.

 

I'm not ignoring those. In fact, I'm agreeing with you that Gerut likely remains a Cub. I don't think there's anything wrong with speculating otherwise either.

[Roast]

 

It's not logical to ignore a better interpretation simply to achieve your desired results.

 

This is where we disagree. You seem to beleive because we present this information in a way that would end in us receiving dunn, doesnt mean we will beleive it happens. It is simply the result when you tie the information together in ONE configuration.

 

You could come up with a bunch of different logical speculations based on the information. We are just presenting this configuration as one in many many possible conclusions.

[brinoch]

I'm re-opening this thread. Please keep it civil, and keep it on topic. Thanks all. Edited July 19, 2005 by brinoch

[forbez18]

finally 21 pages read. WOW you guys can write a lot.

 

But, after reading through all these pages I am confused in why everyone likes Dunn SO MUCH!! He is an average player with good power and with a .240 average. I have watched a lot of him lately and it is ugly to see that if he doesn't hit the ball out of the park he will most likely strike out. You guys were all over Sosa last year and now you want Dunn??? I just dont understand it...

 

To the point about the trade. The trade is simple it does make us better. Dubois was in the minors not helping the cubs get the wild card, this guy will be in the majors actually helping. If he pinch hits one time and gets a hit that drives in a winning run then the entire trade paid off. Be excited the cubs got a player that can have a role for one that had none.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Someone reported earlier in the thread that Jason Dubois had appeared in 51 games, but only started 20 games this season for the CUBS. I believe the correct number is 35 games started (20 wins and 15 losses).

 

Roast.... just a suggestion here. You might refer to your speculations as reasonable, i.e. able to be reasoned, as opposed to logical. Am I splitting hairs ?? You bet your black belt I am !! But keep speculating !!

 

Vance, Vance........ poor prolific, unrespected Vance !! Convening a panel of experts ?? Oh Puleeeeeze !!

 

Expert noun (pronounced: X' spurt). X is a mathematical term meaning unkown. Spurt is a drip under pressure. Ergo; an expert is an unkown drip under pressure. :wink:

[rickrolled]

finally 21 pages read. WOW you guys can write a lot.

 

But, after reading through all these pages I am confused in why everyone likes Dunn SO MUCH!! He is an average player with good power and with a .240 average. I have watched a lot of him lately and it is ugly to see that if he doesn't hit the ball out of the park he will most likely strike out. You guys were all over Sosa last year and now you want Dunn??? I just dont understand it...

 

Dunn = .387 OBP, .555 SLG, .941 OPS.

 

Any guy with a 900+ OPS is a guy I want on this team.

[WindyCity]

I think the motivation for the trade is right there in the Cubs.com article:

Although Gerut doesn't fill all the Cubs' needs -- the team is still in need of a leadoff hitter -- the 25-year-old will help a depleted outfield defensively, Gerut's greatest strength.

 

Gerut is likely just another late inning defensive replacement -- this time likely for Hairston, who has shown that he lacks the instincts of a natural outfielder (not his fault of course -- he's a second basemen being asked to play center field).

 

It probably means that when the Cubs face lefty starters, Murton and Hairston will start and be replaced by Holly and Gerut in the late innings.

 

I highly doubt this deal is tied to a Dunn deal -- I'd like to be wrong though! :D

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think the motivation for the trade is right there in the Cubs.com article:

Although Gerut doesn't fill all the Cubs' needs -- the team is still in need of a leadoff hitter -- the 25-year-old will help a depleted outfield defensively, Gerut's greatest strength.

 

Gerut is likely just another late inning defensive replacement -- this time likely for Hairston, who has shown that he lacks the instincts of a natural outfielder (not his fault of course -- he's a second basemen being asked to play center field).

 

It probably means that when the Cubs face lefty starters, Murton and Hairston will start and be replaced by Holly and Gerut in the late innings.

 

I highly doubt this deal is tied to a Dunn deal -- I'd like to be wrong though! :D

 

25 year old? Gerut turns 28 in September.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

finally 21 pages read. WOW you guys can write a lot.

 

But, after reading through all these pages I am confused in why everyone likes Dunn SO MUCH!! He is an average player with good power and with a .240 average. I have watched a lot of him lately and it is ugly to see that if he doesn't hit the ball out of the park he will most likely strike out. You guys were all over Sosa last year and now you want Dunn??? I just dont understand it...

 

To the point about the trade. The trade is simple it does make us better. Dubois was in the minors not helping the cubs get the wild card, this guy will be in the majors actually helping. If he pinch hits one time and gets a hit that drives in a winning run then the entire trade paid off. Be excited the cubs got a player that can have a role for one that had none.

 

Dunn is 25 yrs old with a 900+ OPS. Enough said.

[AAApittsburgh]

finally 21 pages read. WOW you guys can write a lot.

 

But, after reading through all these pages I am confused in why everyone likes Dunn SO MUCH!! He is an average player with good power and with a .240 average. I have watched a lot of him lately and it is ugly to see that if he doesn't hit the ball out of the park he will most likely strike out. You guys were all over Sosa last year and now you want Dunn??? I just dont understand it...

More posts like this, plz. We haven't seen enough of them. :roll:

[WindyCity]

25 year old? Gerut turns 28 in September.

 

Kyle Jepson must have been pressed for time getting that article up on the site.

[Coach C]

I think the motivation for the trade is right there in the Cubs.com article:

Although Gerut doesn't fill all the Cubs' needs -- the team is still in need of a leadoff hitter -- the 25-year-old will help a depleted outfield defensively, Gerut's greatest strength.

 

Gerut is likely just another late inning defensive replacement -- this time likely for Hairston, who has shown that he lacks the instincts of a natural outfielder (not his fault of course -- he's a second basemen being asked to play center field).

 

It probably means that when the Cubs face lefty starters, Murton and Hairston will start and be replaced by Holly and Gerut in the late innings.

 

I highly doubt this deal is tied to a Dunn deal -- I'd like to be wrong though! :D

 

25 year old? Gerut turns 28 in September.

 

Yeah... huh.

 

I guess someone forgot to check his age card. :lol:

[FloridaCubbie]

finally 21 pages read. WOW you guys can write a lot.

 

But, after reading through all these pages I am confused in why everyone likes Dunn SO MUCH!! He is an average player with good power and with a .240 average. I have watched a lot of him lately and it is ugly to see that if he doesn't hit the ball out of the park he will most likely strike out. You guys were all over Sosa last year and now you want Dunn??? I just dont understand it...

More posts like this, plz. We haven't seen enough of them. :roll:

Wow, way to welcome him to the board.

[Roast]

finally 21 pages read. WOW you guys can write a lot.

 

But, after reading through all these pages I am confused in why everyone likes Dunn SO MUCH!! He is an average player with good power and with a .240 average. I have watched a lot of him lately and it is ugly to see that if he doesn't hit the ball out of the park he will most likely strike out. You guys were all over Sosa last year and now you want Dunn??? I just dont understand it...

More posts like this, plz. We haven't seen enough of them. :roll:

Wow, way to welcome him to the board.

 

Yea, he's a newbie, cut him a little slack.

 

The reason we all lust for dunn is his .900+ OPS. He may only get on base with hits at a .240 clip, but if he can continue to get on base with walks+hits at a .380 clip(considering thats his career obp, i think he will) .....uh........get him here fast.

[FloridaCubbie]

finally 21 pages read. WOW you guys can write a lot.

 

But, after reading through all these pages I am confused in why everyone likes Dunn SO MUCH!! He is an average player with good power and with a .240 average. I have watched a lot of him lately and it is ugly to see that if he doesn't hit the ball out of the park he will most likely strike out. You guys were all over Sosa last year and now you want Dunn??? I just dont understand it...

 

To the point about the trade. The trade is simple it does make us better. Dubois was in the minors not helping the cubs get the wild card, this guy will be in the majors actually helping. If he pinch hits one time and gets a hit that drives in a winning run then the entire trade paid off. Be excited the cubs got a player that can have a role for one that had none.

Welcome to the board!

 

The people here that like Dunn, like him because his prowess at walking and hitting HRs.

Edited July 19, 2005 by FloridaCubbie

[Roast]

Welcome to the board!

 

The people here that like Dunn, like him because his prowes a walking and hitting HRs.

 

Yes, Welcome!

[Transmogrified Tiger]

finally 21 pages read. WOW you guys can write a lot.

 

But, after reading through all these pages I am confused in why everyone likes Dunn SO MUCH!! He is an average player with good power and with a .240 average. I have watched a lot of him lately and it is ugly to see that if he doesn't hit the ball out of the park he will most likely strike out. You guys were all over Sosa last year and now you want Dunn??? I just dont understand it...

 

To the point about the trade. The trade is simple it does make us better. Dubois was in the minors not helping the cubs get the wild card, this guy will be in the majors actually helping. If he pinch hits one time and gets a hit that drives in a winning run then the entire trade paid off. Be excited the cubs got a player that can have a role for one that had none.

 

Welcome!

 

I know the thought of more reading sounds daunting, but there have been a boatload of posts addressing the exact concerns you bring up. If you can't find them a simple search for Dunn and strikeout will find that argument made and countered many times over. In short, Dunn has a lower average, but has a great OBP and outstanding power. He's one of the most productive players in the league, and he's still only 25 years old. If he's available as rumored, the Cubs would be foolish not to jump at the chance to acquire him.

[Roast]

Well, its 1 AM here. Luckily, i'm off tomorrow, so it doesnt matter how late i sleep in. But still, I should sleep. So i guess I'll take this lull in the action to go get some sleep before I wake back up and continue trying to figure out the meaning of this move. :P

[brinoch]

finally 21 pages read. WOW you guys can write a lot.

 

But, after reading through all these pages I am confused in why everyone likes Dunn SO MUCH!! He is an average player with good power and with a .240 average. I have watched a lot of him lately and it is ugly to see that if he doesn't hit the ball out of the park he will most likely strike out. You guys were all over Sosa last year and now you want Dunn??? I just dont understand it...

 

To the point about the trade. The trade is simple it does make us better. Dubois was in the minors not helping the cubs get the wild card, this guy will be in the majors actually helping. If he pinch hits one time and gets a hit that drives in a winning run then the entire trade paid off. Be excited the cubs got a player that can have a role for one that had none.

 

Welcome to the forum!!

[ZZ Thorn]

finally 21 pages read. WOW you guys can write a lot.

 

But, after reading through all these pages I am confused in why everyone likes Dunn SO MUCH!! He is an average player with good power and with a .240 average. I have watched a lot of him lately and it is ugly to see that if he doesn't hit the ball out of the park he will most likely strike out. You guys were all over Sosa last year and now you want Dunn??? I just dont understand it...

More posts like this, plz. We haven't seen enough of them. :roll:

Wow, way to welcome him to the board.

 

Here's a joke from the latest Mad Magazine to make you feel better.

 

From "The Fast 5" section of "The Fundalini Pages"

 

Little-Known Facts About the Recent Conclave of Cardinals

 

2. For some unexplained reason, retired St. Louis Cardinal Mark McGuire was allowed to vote.

 

More baseball-related humor!

 

From the "Fundalini Foto News" section: Congress Gets Pumped Up About Steroids in Baseball

 

A pic of a surprised Sammy Sosa at the congressional hearings on steroids. Mad's balloon of Sammy's words reads: "Why would I take steroids? Everybody already knows I cheat by corking my bat!"

 

Not baseball related, but apparently there's a new show from the producers of "Everybody Loves Ramadan" called "Desperate Hamaswives." It's on Sundays at 9 on Al-Jazeera - looks promising.

Edited July 19, 2005 by ZZ Thorn

[NorthsideAvenger]

I think what is going to eventually happen is that the Cubs are going to go with a Gerut/Murton platoon for the time being. I mean Murton went 4-5 TONIGHT, and had he been hitting closer to 5th, he might have had a couple of RBI's.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7597

 

I know it is a small sample size, BUT, it does show the Murton knows how to put the ball in play, and recognize the difference between a ball or a strike. Murton would have to to totally blow in the next two weeks before he would need to be sent down. And I believe the Cubs are intrigue, at least partly as to how a Gerut/Murton platoon would do.

 

I also believe that Cedeno will be the kid sent back down to AAA. I think he INABILITY to switch hit has hender his playing time.<

 

Otherwise, I like this move, it's solid. But I don't believe this is a precursor to another deal. If Cincy like Gerut so much, why not just trade for him straight, and not include the Cubs? The ONLY reason I could fathom, is that the Indians/Reds have that same rivalry like the Cubs/White Sox, Dodgers/Padres/Giants that they are extremely hesitant on trading to the arch rival.

[UMFan83]

The thing about Dunn that I like is his ability to get on base. Yes, the power is certainly nice, but the fact that he can get on base at a very high rate and consistantly, gives the Cubs something to stabalize the offense when the offense runs dry like it usually does. How many times do we go through our offensive cold streaks and we just wish someone can get on base to start something? Dunns presence can do that. Not to mention the protection he can give Lee/Aramis. Imagine Aramis' numbers with someone with a .900 OPS hitting behind him :drool: