Cubs acquire Jody Gerut from Cleveland for Jason Dubois

[neely crenshaw]

In before the lock! :P

 

yeah, just beat it by 25 pages!

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Doobie in a Cleveland uni (0 for 3 with 2 k's in game 1 :( ):

 

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[Diffusion]

 

I think he is a very solid pickup. He should get the majority of PT in LF.

 

No way Dusty benches Hollandsworth for another lefty-hitting outfielder.

 

I think you are wrong. Check back w/ me in six weeks.

 

Gerut has much more talent than Holla does.

 

Yet their performance throughout their careers has been fairly similar.

 

Well, that is a somewhat deceiving point considering that Gerut has less than two full season's worth of at bats in his career and Holla has been up for about 8 seasons (or whatever) now.

 

Also, when comparing the two, I think it is fair to say that a guy like Gerut fits into the team's plans next year while Holla likely does not.

 

Gerut has better minor league numbers, but he was at older ages for the levels. Their career major league numbers are nearly identical, even though Hollandsworth has a longer career to draw from. Gerut may be a better defender, but there's really not much in their numbers to conclude that Gerut will be any better than Hollandsworth.

 

Bah.

 

Gerut was only older because he missed about 18 months with a serious double surgery on his left knee. He was no more experienced than most of the guys he was playing against in AA and AAA.

 

Their career major league numbers are similar. That said, Gerut has more pronounced splits. Gerut really really hits righties well, and he can't hit a lefty to save his life, hugely dampening his overall numbers. That in a way is more useful than Hollandsworth's less pronounced split, at least if you have a manager intelligent enough to exploit the opportunity.

 

The difference between Gerut and Hollandsworth defensively is pretty significant, and one thing that has been constantly overlooked in this discussion. People are quick to point that Dubois completely undermined whatever little good (though more bad) he did at the plate with very poor defence in left, and they're right. Likewise, people here should be able to appreciate more than while Hollandsworth is an average defender, Gerut is something pretty special in the field. Gerut can also play CF, and can be trusted to do so well.

 

Good defence is criminally underrated by people around here when it comes to assessing a player's value. Some people really take the whole OBP and SLG thing are the be all and end all far too far. There's important, very important. But there are other aspects to the game...

 

Gerut can also steal the odd base.

 

Gerut is three/four times cheaper than Hollandsworth, at least this year.

 

Gerut is a lot younger than Hollandsworth.

 

We own the rights to Gerut through 2009. We own the rights to Hollandsworth through 2005.

 

If you have a choice between Gerut and Hollandsworth, you take Gerut every single time. He's many times over a more valuable an asset than Hollandsworth.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

I think he is a very solid pickup. He should get the majority of PT in LF.

 

No way Dusty benches Hollandsworth for another lefty-hitting outfielder.

 

I think you are wrong. Check back w/ me in six weeks.

 

Gerut has much more talent than Holla does.

 

Yet their performance throughout their careers has been fairly similar.

 

Well, that is a somewhat deceiving point considering that Gerut has less than two full season's worth of at bats in his career and Holla has been up for about 8 seasons (or whatever) now.

 

Also, when comparing the two, I think it is fair to say that a guy like Gerut fits into the team's plans next year while Holla likely does not.

 

Gerut has better minor league numbers, but he was at older ages for the levels. Their career major league numbers are nearly identical, even though Hollandsworth has a longer career to draw from. Gerut may be a better defender, but there's really not much in their numbers to conclude that Gerut will be any better than Hollandsworth.

 

Bah.

 

Gerut was only older because he missed about 18 months with a serious double surgery on his left knee. He was no more experienced than most of the guys he was playing against in AA and AAA.

 

Their career major league numbers are similar. That said, Gerut has more pronounced splits. Gerut really really hits righties well, and he can't hit a lefty to save his life, hugely dampening his overall numbers. That in a way is more useful than Hollandsworth's less pronounced split, at least if you have a manager intelligent enough to exploit the opportunity.

 

The difference between Gerut and Hollandsworth defensively is pretty significant, and one thing that has been constantly overlooked in this discussion. People are quick to point that Dubois completely undermined whatever little good (though more bad) he did at the plate with very poor defence in left, and they're right. Likewise, people here should be able to appreciate more than while Hollandsworth is an average defender, Gerut is something pretty special in the field. Gerut can also play CF, and can be trusted to do so well.

 

Good defence is criminally underrated by people around here when it comes to assessing a player's value. Some people really take the whole OBP and SLG thing are the be all and end all far too far. There's important, very important. But there are other aspects to the game...

 

Gerut can also steal the odd base.

 

Gerut is three/four times cheaper than Hollandsworth, at least this year.

 

Gerut is a lot younger than Hollandsworth.

 

We own the rights to Gerut through 2009. We own the rights to Hollandsworth through 2005.

 

If you have a choice between Gerut and Hollandsworth, you take Gerut every single time. He's many times over a more valuable an asset than Hollandsworth.

 

All good points. I guess what I'm getting at is Gerut that much better than Hollandsworth, that it was worth giving up Dubois to get him?

[E.J.]

Maybe this trade is the precursor of Holla to the Yankees for F-Rod trade that was rumored before F-Rod got hurt??

[Diffusion]

 

I think he is a very solid pickup. He should get the majority of PT in LF.

 

No way Dusty benches Hollandsworth for another lefty-hitting outfielder.

 

I think you are wrong. Check back w/ me in six weeks.

 

Gerut has much more talent than Holla does.

 

Yet their performance throughout their careers has been fairly similar.

 

Well, that is a somewhat deceiving point considering that Gerut has less than two full season's worth of at bats in his career and Holla has been up for about 8 seasons (or whatever) now.

 

Also, when comparing the two, I think it is fair to say that a guy like Gerut fits into the team's plans next year while Holla likely does not.

 

Gerut has better minor league numbers, but he was at older ages for the levels. Their career major league numbers are nearly identical, even though Hollandsworth has a longer career to draw from. Gerut may be a better defender, but there's really not much in their numbers to conclude that Gerut will be any better than Hollandsworth.

 

Bah.

 

Gerut was only older because he missed about 18 months with a serious double surgery on his left knee. He was no more experienced than most of the guys he was playing against in AA and AAA.

 

Their career major league numbers are similar. That said, Gerut has more pronounced splits. Gerut really really hits righties well, and he can't hit a lefty to save his life, hugely dampening his overall numbers. That in a way is more useful than Hollandsworth's less pronounced split, at least if you have a manager intelligent enough to exploit the opportunity.

 

The difference between Gerut and Hollandsworth defensively is pretty significant, and one thing that has been constantly overlooked in this discussion. People are quick to point that Dubois completely undermined whatever little good (though more bad) he did at the plate with very poor defence in left, and they're right. Likewise, people here should be able to appreciate more than while Hollandsworth is an average defender, Gerut is something pretty special in the field. Gerut can also play CF, and can be trusted to do so well.

 

Good defence is criminally underrated by people around here when it comes to assessing a player's value. Some people really take the whole OBP and SLG thing are the be all and end all far too far. There's important, very important. But there are other aspects to the game...

 

Gerut can also steal the odd base.

 

Gerut is three/four times cheaper than Hollandsworth, at least this year.

 

Gerut is a lot younger than Hollandsworth.

 

We own the rights to Gerut through 2009. We own the rights to Hollandsworth through 2005.

 

If you have a choice between Gerut and Hollandsworth, you take Gerut every single time. He's many times over a more valuable an asset than Hollandsworth.

 

All good points. I guess what I'm getting at is Gerut that much better than Hollandsworth, that it was worth giving up Dubois to get him?

 

If they make Gerut the starting centre fielder against right-handers, yes, definately.

 

If not, then probably not. But it won't be a bad trade because of Gerut or Hollandsworth, it'll be bad managing by Dusty that'll have made it not worth it.

 

Then again, Dubois wasn't ever going to help this team this year. In the short term at least, Murton is more likely to make an impact than Dubois, because he's a far more polished and refined hitter. And there's only room for one of them, and the Cubs can't be having Dubois learning on the job. We're trying to win a pennant, and our lineup has too many holes elsewhere to carry him.

 

In the longer term, if Dubois ever learns to hit a breaking ball, he could be a dangerous hitter. But Dubois is old, and he's had plenty of time to learn already, so you have to wonder whether he'll ever be able to achieve that, or whether he'll flame out at the major league level. A 4-A guy.

 

There is of course an opportunity cost with every player you trade away. Could Dubois have been better used to net a reliever, or used in a package to net a bigger fish? Maybe, I don't know. All the same, I'm happy with Gerut.

[cubweiser03]

Bah.

 

Gerut was only older because he missed about 18 months with a serious double surgery on his left knee. He was no more experienced than most of the guys he was playing against in AA and AAA.

 

Their career major league numbers are similar. That said, Gerut has more pronounced splits. Gerut really really hits righties well, and he can't hit a lefty to save his life, hugely dampening his overall numbers. That in a way is more useful than Hollandsworth's less pronounced split, at least if you have a manager intelligent enough to exploit the opportunity.

 

The difference between Gerut and Hollandsworth defensively is pretty significant, and one thing that has been constantly overlooked in this discussion. People are quick to point that Dubois completely undermined whatever little good (though more bad) he did at the plate with very poor defence in left, and they're right. Likewise, people here should be able to appreciate more than while Hollandsworth is an average defender, Gerut is something pretty special in the field. Gerut can also play CF, and can be trusted to do so well.

 

Good defence is criminally underrated by people around here when it comes to assessing a player's value. Some people really take the whole OBP and SLG thing are the be all and end all far too far. There's important, very important. But there are other aspects to the game...

 

Gerut can also steal the odd base.

 

Gerut is three/four times cheaper than Hollandsworth, at least this year.

 

Gerut is a lot younger than Hollandsworth.

 

We own the rights to Gerut through 2009. We own the rights to Hollandsworth through 2005.

 

If you have a choice between Gerut and Hollandsworth, you take Gerut every single time. He's many times over a more valuable an asset than Hollandsworth.

 

I like Gerut for theses same reasons. Gerut to me is a better platoon player that dubois. dubois just misses to much and walks infrequently to be a good platooner. Gerut has good plate discipline and presence by his k/bb ratio. I like his numbers in that area better than holla too. Guys who dont play every day with poor discipline either have great days or really bad. Gerut will be more consitant in the platoon role than dubois will ever be. Plus hes very versitile which is great for a 4/5th OF.