Cubs acquire Jody Gerut from Cleveland for Jason Dubois

[LoneStarCubFan]

Still no reports of who's gonna be gone? (Meaning that we have 26 players on the 25 man roster)

 

Probably Murton :cry:

 

Unless hendry swings a deal before gametime....

 

There is ZERO indication of this. Either Grieve or Mitre is going to Des Moines.

[CUBZ99]

Still no reports of who's gonna be gone? (Meaning that we have 26 players on the 25 man roster)

 

Probably Murton :cry:

 

Unless hendry swings a deal before gametime....

 

All speculation so far is that it will be Grieve or Mitre. The Cubs need Murton's RH bat, and he has not hurt his cause by hitting well.

[Roast]

Still no reports of who's gonna be gone? (Meaning that we have 26 players on the 25 man roster)

 

Probably Murton :cry:

 

Unless hendry swings a deal before gametime....

 

There is ZERO indication of this. Either Grieve or Mitre is going to Des Moines.

 

I realize this. It just wouldnt surprise me, thats all.

[LoneStarCubFan]

It'd surprise me. And a lot of other people. Why in the world do you think this would happen?

[TheDude]

I'm sure this has been discussed, but he seems to be the same type of player Grieve is. It's not that I'm against the deal, Dubois is better off in the American League and Gerut, at worst, is a decent bench player. Still, if the team was looking to find a left handed bat to challenge Hollandsworth, why not give Grieve the shot first?

 

We did dicuss it, and i think the general feeling is that the club doesn't think much of Grieve.

 

Gerut and Grieve are very similar, though.

 

BTW, any news on a 25 man move to clear room for Gerut??

There are plenty of folks who (rightly IMO) pointed out that Gerut is an improvement over Grieve. They are only similar if you look strictly at a subset of hitting numbers.

 

Gerut is the vastly superior defender and is younger, with a much higher scouting upside than Grieve. Gerut has the versatility to adjust his game, has a very good eye, and is a very strong "team player" sort of guy.

 

Some baseball people, like Gammons, have an unhealthy bit of manlove for Gerut. I have not heard Gammons comments on this trade, but I wouldn't be surprised if he said the Cubs got a steal.

[Roast]

 

 

What an impressive line up this would be:

 

Hairston

Walker

Lee

Dunn

Ramirez

Nomar

Burnitz

Barrett

 

 

:shock:

 

Never thought of it like that. Holy crap that is awesome.

 

Like i pointed out like a few hundred pages ago, there are a couple reasons that this COULD POSSIBLY have a REMOTE chance of being a precurser to dunn.

Bolded for emphasis, so I dont get slammed for making things up to acheive my desired result, again.

 

Anyways, so those who are interested dont have to dig through five thousand pages, here are the reasons vance and I (mostly vance) have compiled that this trade makes sense as a pre cursor.

 

- The reds ellegedly wanted Jason lane. Gerut is Lane, only a little better.

- Gerut would be a cheap option for a small maket team (props to bbb here)

- The move, otherwise, looks pretty lateral. The only thing he really brings us, over greive, is better defense. Which isnt as big of a deal, because of the make up of our pitching staff (mostly Ground balls and K's)

- Hendry has done similar things in the past. (See: Jose Hernandez, 03. Doug Mcalphabet, Orlando cabrera, 2004)

 

I think I'm forgetting one or more. Someone add in if I missed something.

[Roast]

 

Some baseball people, like Gammons, have an unhealthy bit of manlove for Gerut. I have not heard Gammons comments on this trade, but I wouldn't be surprised if he said the Cubs got a steal.

 

Since when have people cared what gammons said?

 

(Remember: "Nomar will not be traded. He will continue to be a member of the boston red sox" Ten minutes later: "Nomar Traded to Chicago")

[YearofDaCubs]

If we can end up with either Huff or Dunn in LF it would be nice to see Murton be fulltime in RF or vice-versa.

[TheDude]

Hmmm...how about reasons that isn't a precursor (for Dunn anyway)?

 

-Reds not likely to trade within division

-Reds have stated they are not trading any of their OF

-Reds have been asking for an arm, leg, and half the Pacific Ocean for any player; Gerut is an OF, where the Reds already have depth and 4 OFs likely preferable to their team.

-Hendry wanted a guy long-term. Hollandsworth and Grieve were stop-gap. Gerut could be long-term.

-Other organizations have been (rumored to be) turned away from Dunn with or even Randa for some pretty attractive packages of prospects.

-Reds are run by dopes.

[TheDude]

Since when have people cared what gammons said?

 

(Remember: "Nomar will not be traded. He will continue to be a member of the boston red sox" Ten minutes later: "Nomar Traded to Chicago")

I didn't say you have to care. There are people who value the thoughts of hall of fame baseball writers.

[Podsednik22]

You guys made a great pickup with gerut hes a gamer. After this pickup i think you guys will win the wild card because atlanta will take the east with washington falling out. Good luck.

[ThePenguin11]

Okay, I've finally gotten through this thread and this is what I'm coming up with. I think if anything, Gerut was brought in because Dusty and Hendry were done with Dubois. Gerut was probably brought in as an extra outfielder.

 

I think what we might be missing here is that the Cubs may be looking to move Murton for a bigger deal. I'm thinking that Hendry might have been getting a lot of calls lately for Murton and noone, including the Cubs was looking to take on Dubois. The other possibility is that Burnitz could be going to a contender but I'm not sure how that would help us.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

You guys made a great pickup with gerut hes a gamer. After this pickup i think you guys will win the wild card because atlanta will take the east with washington falling out. Good luck.

 

Welcome to the Forum!

[Roast]

Hmmm...how about reasons that isn't a precursor (for Dunn anyway)?

 

-Reds not likely to trade within division

-Reds have stated they are not trading any of their OF

-Reds have been asking for an arm, leg, and half the Pacific Ocean for any player; Gerut is an OF, where the Reds already have depth and 4 OFs likely preferable to their team.

-Hendry wanted a guy long-term. Hollandsworth and Grieve were stop-gap. Gerut could be long-term.

-Other organizations have been (rumored to be) turned away from Dunn with or even Randa for some pretty attractive packages of prospects.

-Reds are run by dopes.

 

-Reds already offered dunn to astro's. Blows that theory.

-Reds have already offered dunn to astros. Blows that theory.

-We know they are asking alot.

-How is gerut long term, he is 28 and still hasnt done anythign special. Dunn could be long term

 

and, finally, and most importantly...

 

 

 

there are a couple reasons that this COULD POSSIBLY have a REMOTE chance of being a precurser to dunn.

 

[Schwarber Fan]

does ne 1 know if he will start or be a bench player?

[wvcbxl]

Okay,

 

I scratched my head when I read about this trade.

 

After 23 pages, I no longer have a head. :lol:

 

Just one observation: a smart ballplayer who went to Stanford will now be managed by Baker. I smell trouble brewing. :wink:

[hawkeyecub]

 

Some baseball people, like Gammons, have an unhealthy bit of manlove for Gerut. I have not heard Gammons comments on this trade, but I wouldn't be surprised if he said the Cubs got a steal.

 

Since when have people cared what gammons said?

 

(Remember: "Nomar will not be traded. He will continue to be a member of the boston red sox" Ten minutes later: "Nomar Traded to Chicago")

 

So because he was wrong on a trade rumor, no one should care what he thinks of the skills of a certain player?

 

Gammons is a smart baseball man. He knows the game well, he knows the people in the game well. He usually has a good idea of what players a team is targeting or who they're talking to as far as trades or free agency. He doesn't do so well when it comes to predicting trades or where players will land.

 

But I don't see how missing on some rumors has anything to do with talking about a player or that just because he missed on a rumor no one should care what he thinks. If you don't think he knows baseball well, then that's one thing. If you don't care what he thinks about a player just because he was wrong on the Nomar trade, well that doesn't make much sense.

[TheDude]

-How is gerut long term, he is 28 and still hasnt done anythign special. Dunn could be long term?

Sorry, not trying to pick on you here, but how in the world is a 27 year old ball player too old to not fit into a long-term plan?

[ZZ Thorn]

I don't understand why the perception is that once Hairston has started leading off that he has been doing well?

 

His OBP in June was .333 and July .305, he has been getting progressively worse as the season goes on.

 

Just a thought, it is possible that the recent surge in offense is due to moving Todd Walker to the number 2 spot, and have nothing to do with Hairston.

 

BUMP

 

Hairston, other than that grand slam, hasn't done squat as our leadoff hitter. He's been slumping for a while now. He has definitely not been the reason for our recent good offense. He may be doing a tad better than CP in the leadoff spot, but that's not saying much at all.

 

I'd give that credit to Walker, who has been hot, and our lower third of the order: Neifi, Barrett and who can forget how our pitchers have really knocked in a bunch of runs recently. They carried us for a few of these recent wins - now it seems the middle of the order is back on track.

 

I'd also give credit to the demotion of CP. He got booed at every at bat which does affect the mood of the clubhouse. He also struck out a ton which does affect the confidence of the other team as well as detract from our own. With him gone, a daily, large, negative distraction was removed.

 

An out may be an out in the box scores, but in the ebb and flow of a game a strikeout can be a real rally killer. After he and Dubois, another big whiff guy, was sent down the rest of the team got the message that they have to start being more patient and had a team-only meeting apparently saying so.

 

Which is a reason to keep Murton - he keeps going to the opposite field, keeps working counts and is a good influence by balancing the lineup, plus he has speed. If Gerut pushes anyone out of the usual everday lineup I hope it's Hairston and not Murton.

[mhuber92211]

errr...sorry everyone, whilst I have been trying to read through the postings here I kept getting interupted and everytime I come back there have been 10 more pages added. Grrr...

 

Anyhow, Hi! From what I have read everyone assumes he is a LF but he has played substanially more in RF.With his age being his prime years he seems to be a typical Hendry Pick up with an eye for the future. It does look like he has 18 SB in his career, I wonder if his speed is similar to Murton's where it is good speed but not blazing.

 

BTW, anyone know how he does in MVP :p

[LoneStarCubFan]

Gerut's not going to push Murton out of the line-up for the simple reason that Murton is only going to play against leftys.

[jjgman21]

I don't understand why the perception is that once Hairston has started leading off that he has been doing well?

 

His OBP in June was .333 and July .305, he has been getting progressively worse as the season goes on.

 

Just a thought, it is possible that the recent surge in offense is due to moving Todd Walker to the number 2 spot, and have nothing to do with Hairston.

 

BUMP

 

Hairston, other than that grand slam, hasn't done squat as our leadoff hitter. He's been slumping for a while now. He has definitely not been the reason for our recent good offense. He may be doing a tad better than CP in the leadoff spot, but that's not saying much at all.

 

 

how is an OBP of .367 batting leadoff "not doing squat." isn't it more that a "tad better" than Corey's .268 OBP in the leadoff spot?

 

he's in a little mini-slump since the All star break. no big wup.

[wastra]

Hmmm...how about reasons that isn't a precursor (for Dunn anyway)?

 

-Reds not likely to trade within division

-Reds have stated they are not trading any of their OF

-Reds have been asking for an arm, leg, and half the Pacific Ocean for any player; Gerut is an OF, where the Reds already have depth and 4 OFs likely preferable to their team.

-Hendry wanted a guy long-term. Hollandsworth and Grieve were stop-gap. Gerut could be long-term.

-Other organizations have been (rumored to be) turned away from Dunn with or even Randa for some pretty attractive packages of prospects.

-Reds are run by dopes.

 

-Reds already offered dunn to astro's. Blows that theory.

-Reds have already offered dunn to astros. Blows that theory.

-We know they are asking alot.

-How is gerut long term, he is 28 and still hasnt done anythign special. Dunn could be long term

 

and, finally, and most importantly...

 

 

 

there are a couple reasons that this COULD POSSIBLY have a REMOTE chance of being a precurser to dunn.

 

 

 

Actually, I'm hearing today that most of the Dunn stuff is rumour. The Astros inquired to the Reds about Dunn, and the Reds said he's not for sale.

 

 

Granted, that's whay the reds suck and will continue to suck. They aren't willing to trade from strengths to make themselves a better ballclub.

 

Basic baseball logic says they have 4 outfielders, all with trade value. They have zero pitching. They have very very few other players who would bring a quality pitcher in exchange other than Dunn, and maybe Pena, Griffey, and Kearns. Teams don't win without pitching.

 

Basic logic says your trade an outfielder for one or more pitchers. But then again, the Reds suck, and they suck for a reason.

[gflore34]

I don't understand why the perception is that once Hairston has started leading off that he has been doing well?

 

His OBP in June was .333 and July .305, he has been getting progressively worse as the season goes on.

 

Just a thought, it is possible that the recent surge in offense is due to moving Todd Walker to the number 2 spot, and have nothing to do with Hairston.

 

BUMP

 

Hairston, other than that grand slam, hasn't done squat as our leadoff hitter. He's been slumping for a while now. He has definitely not been the reason for our recent good offense. He may be doing a tad better than CP in the leadoff spot, but that's not saying much at all.

 

 

how is an OBP of .367 batting leadoff "not doing squat." isn't it more that a "tad better" than Corey's .268 OBP in the leadoff spot?

 

he's in a little mini-slump since the All star break. no big wup.

 

Beyond that, Hairston will take some pitches and make the pitcher work a little, on the rare occassion Patterson attempted to work the pitcher, he'd fall right back into swing at anything mode the very next at bat.

[AlamoCub]

BTW, anyone know how he does in MVP :p

 

Against righties he has a 70 contact rating and a 60 power rating. His defense is underrated, though he has a strong and accurate arm. He correctly sucks against lefties.