Cubs acquire Jody Gerut from Cleveland for Jason Dubois

[barryfoote]

My interpretation of this trade is that it's about the Cubs giving up on Dubois more than anything (fairly or not). I think that they may feel that Dubois's defense is too much of a liability and there are holes in his swing that would not be exposed on a minor league level but will be on a major league level. So they trade him for someone that is a better defensive option as a late inning replacement and someone who they feel may have some upside after his recovery from his knee injury.

 

I get the impression that he is a better defender then Hollandsworth or Grieve, based on the spin the Cubs are putting on the trade on Cubs.com. If he is coming in as a bench player that can give you some defense this trade may make some sense. I'd have to say I'm lukewarm about it myself.

 

One last thing, I hate the idea that the GM would trade players that have value because the manager won't play them. If that is the case, replace the manager instead. I know for the most part I am preaching to the converted on this one.

Edited July 19, 2005 by barryfoote

[Hacking Out Machine]

Well, its 1 AM here. Luckily, i'm off tomorrow, so it doesnt matter how late i sleep in. But still, I should sleep. So i guess I'll take this lull in the action to go get some sleep before I wake back up and continue trying to figure out the meaning of this move. :P

 

 

I mentioned this about 3 or 4 pages back, but the bickering about spelling errors and such buried it. Does anyone else think Gerut will be our new CF against RHP? If this is the case it actually makes some sense as his splits against RHP are pretty good. Otherwise, like everyone else here, I don't see the point, especially if the Cubs have plans to bring back Patterson soon.

 

Based on what we have read lately, it seems the Cubs don't like Hairston. I think they made this move as a way to replace him vs righties. I don't think this move will have any effect on the LF situation. (Unfortunately, it probably also means that Adam Greenberg's only big league AB for the foreseeable future was a very painful one.)

[Roast]

More baseball-related humor!

 

I dont know if I'd call that humor or not...

 

Anywyas, Im going to bed now. really.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Dumb trade, nothing I've seen or thought about changes this. Not dumb to trade Dubois, as his future is clearly in the AL; not necessarily dumb to trade for Gerut, who looks to be a nice 4th outfielder.

 

Dumb trade because (1) we already have a nice 4th outfielder that hits LH with gap power and can play all three OF positions; I believe his first name is Todd, (2) Dubois is worth more than Jody Gerut, (3) marginal outfielders with no SLG are not "the answer" for this team.

 

Hopes that Jody Gerut is somehow the magical missing piece to a bigger trade for an impact player is, how shall we say diplomatically....not well formed. Because if Jody Gerut is the answer, I don't want to know the question. This according to "my source." :roll: :roll:

 

I'd rather have gotten a pitching prospect for Dubois, the Yankees want another bat, especially one that hits RH, I would've loved to score Colter Bean for Jason.

[Hacking Out Machine]

Dumb trade, nothing I've seen or thought about changes this. Not dumb to trade Dubois, as his future is clearly in the AL; not necessarily dumb to trade for Gerut, who looks to be a nice 4th outfielder.

 

Dumb trade because (1) we already have a nice 4th outfielder that hits LH with gap power and can play all three OF positions; I believe his first name is Todd, (2) Dubois is worth more than Jody Gerut, (3) marginal outfielders with no SLG are not "the answer" for this team.

 

Hopes that Jody Gerut is somehow the magical missing piece to a bigger trade for an impact player is, how shall we say diplomatically....not well formed. Because if Jody Gerut is the answer, I don't want to know the question. This according to "my source." :roll: :roll:

 

I'd rather have gotten a pitching prospect for Dubois, the Yankees want another bat, especially one that hits RH, I would've loved to score Colter Bean for Jason.

 

 

Wow, another Colter Bean fan. Let me be the first to commend you on your astute appreciation for a reliever that gets people out, no matter how funny he looks doing it!

[BadKermit]

I guess this is a good a place as any to throw it out there. IF we were to get Dunn, which is the better 3-4-5?

 

Pujols

Edmonds

Rolen

 

Lee

Dunn

Ramirez

 

Hmm...

[frostwyrm]

I would rather have had Preston Wilson over Gerut, and believe me I wanted nothing to do with Preston Wilson.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Dumb trade, nothing I've seen or thought about changes this. Not dumb to trade Dubois, as his future is clearly in the AL; not necessarily dumb to trade for Gerut, who looks to be a nice 4th outfielder.

 

Dumb trade because (1) we already have a nice 4th outfielder that hits LH with gap power and can play all three OF positions; I believe his first name is Todd, (2) Dubois is worth more than Jody Gerut, (3) marginal outfielders with no SLG are not "the answer" for this team.

 

Hopes that Jody Gerut is somehow the magical missing piece to a bigger trade for an impact player is, how shall we say diplomatically....not well formed. Because if Jody Gerut is the answer, I don't want to know the question. This according to "my source." :roll: :roll:

 

I'd rather have gotten a pitching prospect for Dubois, the Yankees want another bat, especially one that hits RH, I would've loved to score Colter Bean for Jason.

 

 

Wow, another Colter Bean fan. Let me be the first to commend you on your astute appreciation for a reliever that gets people out, no matter how funny he looks doing it!

 

Three neat young relievers: Colter Bean, David Aardsma, Ryan Wagner. We have one. I want all three. I'm greedy.

[E.J.]

I don't understand this move. I hope something else is coming as a follow-up to this trade.

 

Good luck in Cleveland Dubois.

[Hacking Out Machine]

Dumb trade, nothing I've seen or thought about changes this. Not dumb to trade Dubois, as his future is clearly in the AL; not necessarily dumb to trade for Gerut, who looks to be a nice 4th outfielder.

 

Dumb trade because (1) we already have a nice 4th outfielder that hits LH with gap power and can play all three OF positions; I believe his first name is Todd, (2) Dubois is worth more than Jody Gerut, (3) marginal outfielders with no SLG are not "the answer" for this team.

 

Hopes that Jody Gerut is somehow the magical missing piece to a bigger trade for an impact player is, how shall we say diplomatically....not well formed. Because if Jody Gerut is the answer, I don't want to know the question. This according to "my source." :roll: :roll:

 

I'd rather have gotten a pitching prospect for Dubois, the Yankees want another bat, especially one that hits RH, I would've loved to score Colter Bean for Jason.

 

 

Wow, another Colter Bean fan. Let me be the first to commend you on your astute appreciation for a reliever that gets people out, no matter how funny he looks doing it!

 

Three neat young relievers: Colter Bean, David Aardsma, Ryan Wagner. We have one. I want all three. I'm greedy.

 

He's not young, (28) but I'd take George Sherrill too. Looks like the Mariners just called him up, but I like him.

[XZero771679666304]

Here is my take on the trade.

 

Doobie has DH written all over him. He can produce enough to overcome the massive hole in his swing, but not the hole and the fact he is a butcher in the field. One thing that people seem to be missing is that while Gerut's offensive numbers are similar to Grieve and Holla's, his defense is far superior to either, and thayt does count for something. He can work the count, strikes out infrequently and is a wizard in the OF. He is simply a better player than Jason is. IMO, if Doobie has a shot at becoming an everyday player, it is as a DH.

 

Now of course this could be part of a bigger picture, but I would rather have Gerut in LF than Grieve, Holla or Dubois.

[AlamoCub]

Here is my take on the trade.

 

Doobie has DH written all over him. He can produce enough to overcome the massive hole in his swing, but not the hole and the fact he is a butcher in the field. One thing that people seem to be missing is that while Gerut's offensive numbers are similar to Grieve and Holla's, his defense is far superior to either, and thayt does count for something. He can work the count, strikes out infrequently and is a wizard in the OF. He is simply a better player than Jason is. IMO, if Doobie has a shot at becoming an everyday player, it is as a DH.

 

Now of course this could be part of a bigger picture, but I would rather have Gerut in LF than Grieve, Holla or Dubois.

 

I don't think Dubois will be DH'ing for the Indians, seeing as they have Travis Hafner filling that spot. He's not much of a fielder himself.

[Outshined_One]

Uh oh. Dubois isn't going to be used as a right handed DH, since Hafner's hitting lefties pretty well this season.

 

He'll probably be used to hit lefties since Crisp has been pitiful against them. Dubois might well see plenty of playing time in LF for Cleveland.

 

This could be fun.

[XZero771679666304]

Here is my take on the trade.

 

Doobie has DH written all over him. He can produce enough to overcome the massive hole in his swing, but not the hole and the fact he is a butcher in the field. One thing that people seem to be missing is that while Gerut's offensive numbers are similar to Grieve and Holla's, his defense is far superior to either, and thayt does count for something. He can work the count, strikes out infrequently and is a wizard in the OF. He is simply a better player than Jason is. IMO, if Doobie has a shot at becoming an everyday player, it is as a DH.

 

Now of course this could be part of a bigger picture, but I would rather have Gerut in LF than Grieve, Holla or Dubois.

 

I don't think Dubois will be DH'ing for the Indians, seeing as they have Travis Hafner filling that spot. He's not much of a fielder himself.

With Crisp, Blake and Sizemore in the OF, I can't see Jason getting much PT anywhere else. He will probably just end up at the short end of another platoon. I don't think Jason's luck is going to change much at all. Regardless, he will make a better AL player when all is said and done.

[AAApittsburgh]

They should put Dubois at 1B. I think he can outproduce Broussard if given regular playing time.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

In regards to the trade, ugh.

 

Let's hope this doesn't turn out to be a Bear Bay for Bartosh trade. SO far Cleveland is 1/1 this year in trades with us.

 

There's still a possibility that trade could end up being a bust for bust trade.

 

Minor league performances are awesome and everything, but, you gotta go with ML performance to evaluate trades.

 

I disagree. Even if Bay turns out to be a bust, the Cubs didn't optimize his trade value - they surely could have gotten more for him than Bartosh (and if not, they should have kept Bear).

 

Yes, I just read the whole thread. :shock:

[sporrer17]

With Broussard not playing all that well in Cleveland, (and hitting .189 vs LHs) Dubois could see some playing time at 1b, where he has played some in the minors...

 

Or Hafner could get some time at 1b when Dubois DH's...

 

Or Dubois could rot on their bench as well.

 

Also, Casey Blake is WAAAAAAAAY beyond replaceable in the OF. He's almost 32, he's hitting .224 with 10 HRs, and he K's a lot. .979 FPCT in the OF...Dubois' is .980. (I know, hard to judge a guy strictly on FPCT.)

[sporrer17]

In fact, Blake has been awful this year...

 

He's had ONE respectable (good) month.

 

June: .293/.322/.488, 4 HR 12 RBI (5 to 1 K/BB) in 82 ABs

 

Other than that:

April- .188/.253/.333, 3 HR 7 RBI in 69 ABs

May- .204/.305/.379, 3 HR 9 RBI in 103 ABs

July- .185/.233/.222, 0 HR 1 RBI in 27 ABs

 

I think Dubois was added to be what Casey Blake *could* have been in the Cleveland OF...a RH bat with some pop who can draw a walk (well in the minors Jason can, anyway). They need some RH thunder with all those LHs/SW (Martinez, Broussard, Hafner, Crisp, Sizemore)

[XZero771679666304]

I also think the fact that Hendry was quick to point out Gerut can play center was very telling. I really think that Hairston and/or Patterson are going to be history. I am positive that if/when Corey starts ripping it up in AAA, he will be traded.

[sporrer17]

I also think the fact that Hendry was quick to point out Gerut can play center was very telling. I really think that Hairston and/or Patterson are going to be history. I am positive that if/when Corey starts ripping it up in AAA, he will be traded.

 

I agree...I just can't envision a situation where Patterson returns to this team and is productive again. It's almost like this situation is beyond repair.

 

Also, something about Jerry Hairston rubs the Cubs coaches/management the wrong way. It's too bad, because he's doing exactly what we need from the leadoff hitter. If we go with Gerut, though, it's basically another 6-8 type hitter, so he would really wouldn't do much for our lineup if replacing Hairston. Maybe this works if the Cubs plan on getting Pierre for leadoff...or bringing up Pie to play CF and leadoff (yuck)...

 

Hendry's had good success with trades, especially when it comes to getting positional players. Barrett and Ramirez had their struggles, but had also shown flashes of brilliance. Lee was okay, but not anywhere NEAR the player he is today. All of these moves were questioned at first, and a lot of people were upset we didn't go after someone else (Lowell over Ramirez, Pudge over Barrett). If Hendry wants Gerut as his everyday LF...(or platooning with Murton) I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, for now.

[David]

Crazy thought.

 

We know the Reds want to move Randa. Can probably get pitching for him.

 

We know Freels natural position is 3B

 

We know that no matter the question, Aurilia is not the answer.

 

Reds deal Randa, move Freel to 3B, 2B is open.

 

Cubs deal Hairston, Mitre, and a prospect for Dunn...

 

Dunn to LF, Gerut to center (until Corey earns it back)...

 

Just a random thought, not endorsing

 

Doesn't Freel have a foot injury that has the word "degenerative" thrown around when describing it?

 

Actually, Freel called it his "degenerate toe"

 

Maybe it was picking on handicapped kids or something.

 

This made me LOL.. :lol:

[NorthsideAvenger]

In regards to the trade, ugh.

 

Let's hope this doesn't turn out to be a Bear Bay for Bartosh trade. SO far Cleveland is 1/1 this year in trades with us.

 

There's still a possibility that trade could end up being a bust for bust trade.

 

Minor league performances are awesome and everything, but, you gotta go with ML performance to evaluate trades.

 

I disagree. Even if Bay turns out to be a bust, the Cubs didn't optimize his trade value - they surely could have gotten more for him than Bartosh (and if not, they should have kept Bear).

 

Yes, I just read the whole thread. :shock:

 

Call me a sucker, but I still believe Bartosh will be a solid pitcher for the Cubs.

 

Here is a listed of pitchers who are on the ML roster who have similar ht/wt as Bear Bay (non-Asian):

 

Ezequiel Astacio 1.87/.357/9.47

Ervin Santana 1.62/.281/5.66

Casey Fossum .245/1.31/4.02

Chad Gaudlin 2.71/.453//12.19

 

And those numbers are BAA/WHIP/ERA. The ONLY one on that listed who is even having a remotely solid season is Casey Fossum, and he is ALREADY on his third team. Gaudin is 5'11, about 4 inches shorter then Bay. So really there are two pitchers are EXACT some measurement of about 6'3 and around 150-160 lbs. And those two kids have BLAH numbers. Both maybe talented, but like Bay they need to pack on the LBS so that injury doesn't become a problem. And gaining weight has been Bay's problem. I like the kid, but I believe Bartosh will produce more for the Cubs then Bay will for the Indians.

[David]

Goodbye, Jason. We hardly knew ye.

 

And I know next to nothing about Gerut. My gut says "what was the point?", though.

 

Don't get too excited about a "follow-up" deal. This is the Cubs, after all.

 

Yea, it's not like they've made big moves at the deadline the last couple of years while in similar positions. :wink:

 

Not trying at all to be a jerk. I just think that you made an inaccurate statement.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

In regards to the trade, ugh.

 

Let's hope this doesn't turn out to be a Bear Bay for Bartosh trade. SO far Cleveland is 1/1 this year in trades with us.

 

There's still a possibility that trade could end up being a bust for bust trade.

 

Minor league performances are awesome and everything, but, you gotta go with ML performance to evaluate trades.

 

I disagree. Even if Bay turns out to be a bust, the Cubs didn't optimize his trade value - they surely could have gotten more for him than Bartosh (and if not, they should have kept Bear).

 

Yes, I just read the whole thread. :shock:

 

Call me a sucker, but I still believe Bartosh will be a solid pitcher for the Cubs.

 

Here is a listed of pitchers who are on the ML roster who have similar ht/wt as Bear Bay (non-Asian):

 

Ezequiel Astacio 1.87/.357/9.47

Ervin Santana 1.62/.281/5.66

Casey Fossum .245/1.31/4.02

Chad Gaudlin 2.71/.453//12.19

 

And those numbers are BAA/WHIP/ERA. The ONLY one on that listed who is even having a remotely solid season is Casey Fossum, and he is ALREADY on his third team. Gaudin is 5'11, about 4 inches shorter then Bay. So really there are two pitchers are EXACT some measurement of about 6'3 and around 150-160 lbs. And those two kids have BLAH numbers. Both maybe talented, but like Bay they need to pack on the LBS so that injury doesn't become a problem. And gaining weight has been Bay's problem. I like the kid, but I believe Bartosh will produce more for the Cubs then Bay will for the Indians.

 

First off, Ervin Santana is a very exciting prospect for the Angels who has had a couple of bad games.

 

The odds are still against Bay succeeding in the big leagues, despite his great season at high A and AA (stats). But his season has increased his trade value, and right now, Bartosh's is not that high.

 

My main point is that a bust-bust trade is not necessarily a wash, becauze it ignores the opportunity cost of the players traded.

[Brian]

I kind of find the trade incouraging, it shows that Hendry is working, he's getting out there and trying to improve the team. I can almost guarenteed he'll do some more dealing by Aug. 1st. Look at Hendry's track record in trades, if he does a trade he usually gets valuable parts

 

Barret

Lee

A-Ram

Williams & Aardsma

The Sosa deal, he may have got screwed financially, but Hairston is a key to our offense right now, Fontenot looks like he could be a fine utility guy & they still owe us a prospect (Plus looking at Sosa's stats, he simply don't want that on this team)

The Farns deal - Farns is doing great right now and we need a guy like him, but he got Scott Moore who is having a break out year and Novoa is pretty much a younger Farns but without the temper

Nomar deal - netted Murton who is looking like he is going to be a very good hitter with great plate discipline

Lofton was one of the keys to the '03 playoff run.

 

 

I say sit back and see what he does

2003 - He put together a division winning team, that very well could have won the world series

2004 - Put together an even better team, but what happened on the field cannot be blamed on Jim.

 

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is Dubois for Gerut is not an Earth shaker, but I highly doubt Jim said "Here's Jody Gerut, now get us to the playoffs - I'll be on vacation for awhile." Dubois was not going to be a succesful part of the team this year, Hendry went and got a guy that Dusty can probably trust... a guy that can play defense.