Cubs acquire Jody Gerut from Cleveland for Jason Dubois

[badger1679666666]

Just one other thought before I REALLY leave. :wink:

 

 

This maybe be a good trade for BOTH teams, because Dubois is an attrocious fielder. Just awful. In the AL he can DH.

 

Gerut can play any outfield position, has shown power, and if he gets healthy could basically be a great OBP guy with some power, lots of walks, not that many strikeouts and above average defense.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

How do you guys know the reds want jody? I've never heard that until this thread...

 

It's based on the information that the Reds wanted Jason Lane in a deal with the Astros.

 

Lane's career numbers: 254/313/491 29 yrs old

Gerut's career numbers: 266/337/440 27 yrs old

 

It's not a stretch to see the similarities. Maybe the Reds had no interest in Dubois, but they like Gerut.

 

Vance, you rock.

 

YOu are making my hair brained idea earlier sound good.

 

I'm purely speculating here, Roast. I don't know any more than you guys do. I'm just drawing conclusions based on the information I've heard. It also wouldn't surprise me if we kept Gerut. I'm just hoping it's a prelude to a bigger deal.

[Geech]

Dooby struck out a ton, and he was given a chance. He blew it. See ya later.

 

Derrek Lee's first full season:

 

AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS

.233/.318/.414/.732

 

What a pathetic loser.

[Derwood]

Why is it a bad trade? Who really cares.

 

It gets me frustrated that Cub fans care SO MUCH about prospects. If you want to win a World Series, you don't do it with rookies. You need proven players.

 

Dooby struck out a ton, and he was given a chance. He blew it. See ya later.

 

KRod and Miguel Cabrera say hello.

 

Sure. And KRod shouldn't have even been allowed on the playoff roster since he was called up after September 1st. Its alwasy easy to pull up the exception to the rule.

[sporrer17]

Let's look at it this way...they don't want to rush Adam Greenberg back from a potential serious head injury. He was our backup CF. With Hairston playing everyday, Macias is now our 2nd option as CF, then we have choices such as Hollandsworth/Burnitz/Murton...Gerut can at least adequately back up CF.

 

If you look at it this way, he's capable of at least matching Holly's output, IMO...and then you pair him with Murton like we have been with Holly...and it moves Todd back to the bench, leaving the team with either Murton/Hollandsworth, Gerut/Hollandsworth available to pinch hit...

 

It also opens up the possibility of trading a guy like Hollandsworth for a prospect or two (to a team that needs a 4th OF) and spin those guys to maybe Cincy for Dunn or Florida for Pierre...

 

Just food for thought, I guess.

 

Plus, lets face it guys...Dubois couldn't handle OF, especially in Wrigley where the winds can get the best of a guy on any given day. He didn't hold much value to any NL ballclub, so we got a solid major leaguer for him.

[USSoccer]

I've heard some talk lately about a Randa > Sabbathia trade....does this add any light to the subject?

 

Wow. That would sink the Indians ship for sure. Why they would do that when they are within 4 or 5 of the wilcard is beyond me. Why their fascination with Randa? Geezus.

 

That would be a galactically stupid trade. Shapiro is smarter than that, right?

[nolanwood]

I've heard some talk lately about a Randa > Sabbathia trade....does this add any light to the subject?

 

Wow. That would sink the Indians ship for sure. Why they would do that when they are within 4 or 5 of the wilcard is beyond me. Why their fascination with Randa? Geezus.

 

I think the general consensus is that the Indians dont need pitching as much as they do a consistent 3B and maybe an OF as well.....who knows, though....

[badger1679666666]

Why is it a bad trade? Who really cares.

 

It gets me frustrated that Cub fans care SO MUCH about prospects. If you want to win a World Series, you don't do it with rookies. You need proven players.

 

Dooby struck out a ton, and he was given a chance. He blew it. See ya later.

 

KRod and Miguel Cabrera say hello.

 

Dubois wouldn't even be able to SNIFF their jock straps. For the most part, WS teams have veterans. I can pick a few rookie studs out of my butt, but Doobie is not one of them.

[AlwaysaCub]

Why is it a bad trade? Who really cares.

 

It gets me frustrated that Cub fans care SO MUCH about prospects. If you want to win a World Series, you don't do it with rookies. You need proven players.

 

Dooby struck out a ton, and he was given a chance. He blew it. See ya later.

 

KRod and Miguel Cabrera say hello.

 

And Juan Cruz and Bobby Hill and...

it's more skill than just being a rookie. Most prospects are notgoing to pan out. It's not like everybody who comes up automatically becomes a regular.

[OldHappyCubFan]

Hi, thats TWO players that have ended up being All Stars. I don't need to see the stats to know that theres been thousands of rookie busts, and a very small amount of rookies becoming All Stars.

 

Dubois and Patterson are not amoung them.

[Geech]

This move makes a little more sense if you assume that: 1) Greenberg's injury is worse than we know and 2) The Cubs don't view Grieve as a viable reserve outfielder. In that case, Gerut becomes the backup OF and a left-handed bat off the bench.

 

This is still the most realistic theory. Dunn will never be a Cub, not until he's 36 and totally washed-up.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

How do you guys know the reds want jody? I've never heard that until this thread...

 

It's not necessarily that the Reds want Jody, but Jody could be replacing whomever they do want. If Corey fits the bill, Jody could conceivably fill in at center for the rest of the season. And if Hairston is the "established major leaguer"... well, again, Jody in center.

 

No offense but i really think this is wishful think by you cub fans. Here's not going anywhere because he has little trade value. I think Jody is a good utility OFer whos from the chicagoland area. Thats not such a bad thing... I just dont see this leading to another deal.

 

So who do you think is more valuable, Jody Gerut or Jason Lane?

[USSoccer]

Why is it a bad trade? Who really cares.

 

It gets me frustrated that Cub fans care SO MUCH about prospects. If you want to win a World Series, you don't do it with rookies. You need proven players.

 

Dooby struck out a ton, and he was given a chance. He blew it. See ya later.

 

KRod and Miguel Cabrera say hello.

 

Sure. And KRod shouldn't have even been allowed on the playoff roster since he was called up after September 1st. Its alwasy easy to pull up the exception to the rule.

 

The last few WS winners have had rookies or young players play key roles in the victories, and a couple were the reason they won. How they got on the postseason roster is irrelevant.

[Roast]

I just dont see this leading to another deal.

 

What insight do you have that points you to that?

 

While all we are doing is speculating, it is an educated speculation. We are combining Information from a very reliable posters Source, and Jim Hendry's track record. (he has traded for someone who is unwanted/meaningly/sucky and spun him in bigger deal. See: Aram & Lofton for Hill and Jose Hernandez, 2003)

 

This isnt that far of a streatch.

[Blueheart05]

Dooby struck out a ton, and he was given a chance. He blew it. See ya later.

 

Derrek Lee's first full season:

 

AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS

.233/.318/.414/.732

 

What a pathetic loser.

 

Yes but Derrek Lee is 29 (soon to be 30) We dont have 5 years for Dubois to develop. Wish him good luck. He will develop on a team that's rebuilding.

[badger1679666666]

Dooby struck out a ton, and he was given a chance. He blew it. See ya later.

 

Derrek Lee's first full season:

 

AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS

.233/.318/.414/.732

 

What a pathetic loser.

 

For EVERY derrek Lee you pull out, I could pull out 10 that didn't turn into him. At least 10 probably a larger ratio.

[rickrolled]

Hi, thats TWO players that have ended up being All Stars. I don't need to see the stats to know that theres been thousands of rookie busts, and a very small amount of rookies becoming All Stars.

 

Dubois and Patterson are not amoung them.

 

Uh, weren't most all stars rookies at some point?

[USSoccer]

Why is it a bad trade? Who really cares.

 

It gets me frustrated that Cub fans care SO MUCH about prospects. If you want to win a World Series, you don't do it with rookies. You need proven players.

 

Dooby struck out a ton, and he was given a chance. He blew it. See ya later.

 

KRod and Miguel Cabrera say hello.

 

Dubois wouldn't even be able to SNIFF their jock straps. For the most part, WS teams have veterans. I can pick a few rookie studs out of my butt, but Doobie is not one of them.

 

I'm not saying Dubois is on their level; he's not even in the same hemisphere. I'm simply trying to point out the shortsightedness of the bolded part of the statement.

[Beer_Bong]

Maybe the Cubs have finally realized the importance of having high OBP guys on their roster? Jody Gerut seems to fit that mold.

 

Since July 7th, when Corey Patterson was sent down and Dusty set up the batting order properly, the Cubs have scored alot of runs & won 7 of 8 games.

 

Could this also be a pre-cursor to Corey Patterson getting traded?

[Geech]

Dooby struck out a ton, and he was given a chance. He blew it. See ya later.

 

Derrek Lee's first full season:

 

AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS

.233/.318/.414/.732

 

What a pathetic loser.

 

For EVERY derrek Lee you pull out, I could pull out 10 that didn't turn into him. At least 10 probably a larger ratio.

 

I don't doubt that. The point is that Dubois' career, or his shot in the bigs, is hardly over. He still has the potential to turn into an impact bat.

[Roast]

Why is it a bad trade? Who really cares.

 

It gets me frustrated that Cub fans care SO MUCH about prospects. If you want to win a World Series, you don't do it with rookies. You need proven players.

 

Dooby struck out a ton, and he was given a chance. He blew it. See ya later.

 

KRod and Miguel Cabrera say hello.

 

Dubois wouldn't even be able to SNIFF their jock straps. For the most part, WS teams have veterans. I can pick a few rookie studs out of my butt, but Doobie is not one of them.

 

So you have a quote in your signature about dusty sitting the youth, then an Eye rolling emoticon.

 

Yet you say here that WS winners are veteran.... Uh...How does this make sense.

[Coach C]

Or maybe...just maybe... he might replace Macias....

[Jon]

Dubois and Gerut have nothing to do with Choi, Hill, Cabrera, or anyone else. There's no need to reopen the same argument every time a prospect gets traded. No point.

 

Stay on topic, please. And cut out the personal attacks.

Edited July 19, 2005 by Jon

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

Bad bad trade. Dubois > Gerut. I don't mind trading Jason, but I want something more than Gerut for him. Sheez. What does this guy bring to the table that Hollandsworth doesn't??

 

Hendry not off to a good July start here.

 

 

All I have to say, before I head to bed, is that I find it FASCINATING, that people can judge a trade, in black and white, before the guys traded have even reached their new homes.

 

Clairvoyancy is a skill I need to develop.

 

Agreed.

 

That said everything I have read, and the few times on TV I have seen, Gerut I think this is a bit of an upgrade defensively and plate discipline wise. Not a 4 hole hitter to protect Lee but quite the 2 or 8 hitter.

 

This could also be a sign that the Cubs are going to keep Patterson and allow him to be what he wants to be instead of trying to cram a square peg into a round leadoff hole. Think about it, traditionally you look for power in the corners. In Gerut and Patterson you would have the OBP guy in a corner and power in center. Still getting your power and on base just not in thier traditional slots.

 

This in no way should be taken as me advocating Patterson being handed CF back. He needs to learn a high strike out of the pitchers hand and stop swinging at it. He isnt in HS anymore, you cant catch up to that pitch in the Majors.

[USSoccer]

This move makes a little more sense if you assume that: 1) Greenberg's injury is worse than we know and 2) The Cubs don't view Grieve as a viable reserve outfielder. In that case, Gerut becomes the backup OF and a left-handed bat off the bench.

 

This is still the most realistic theory. Dunn will never be a Cub, not until he's 36 and totally washed-up.

 

I would put money on your post happening; however, there's info out there that mkaes for good speculation, given past events...it'll be interesting to see it all play out.