Cubs (Boyd) vs Orioles (Baz): 7/7/26, 5:35pm

[Brock Beauchamp]

The Orioles cannot get out of their own way. Which makes me sad for the fans, but the front office deserves it after sitting on their hands, hoarding prospects for so many years. But hey, the Cubs are in a great position to take advantage of a team muddling along, well outside playoff contention.

	THU	FRI	SAT	SUN	MON	TOT
Tyler Ferguson	0	0	16	9	0	25
Trent Thornton	0	0	26	0	0	26
Ryan Rolison	0	0	16	20	0	36
Javier Assad	0	0	0	80	0	80
Jacob Webb	0	0	0	27	0	27
Gavin Hollowell	0	17	0	0	0	17
Drew Pomeranz	0	11	0	13	0	24
Caleb Thielbar	0	0	12	0	0	12

 

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

As bad as the Orioles have been, they're 3.5 games out of the playoffs

[Bertz]

Orioles are pretty ass against LHP.  Just don't let Taylor Ward get you.

[Bull]

6 games until the ASB. Then two weeks until the trade deadline. Help is on the way. Keep treading water, pitching staff. Keep  being a *checks notes* top 5 offense in all of baseball?!?

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[CubUgly]

20 minutes ago, Bull said:

6 games until the ASB. Then two weeks until the trade deadline. Help is on the way. Keep treading water, pitching staff. Keep  being a *checks notes* top 5 offense in all of baseball?!?

I hope so but you and I both know it's not that easy - so many variables.  How many teams are selling, who are we competing against to buy, do we have enough assets to get what we need, etc., etc., etc. 

[Rcal10]

29 minutes ago, CubUgly said:

I hope so but you and I both know it's not that easy - so many variables.  How many teams are selling, who are we competing against to buy, do we have enough assets to get what we need, etc., etc., etc. 

I think we absolutely have enough assets. If the want is a rental like Mize, Gray or even to a lesser extent Ray, they have easily enough. The question is do they want to get rid of that for one year or those guys and does the team they are trading to value the guy the Cubs have. Different teams value players differently. I don’t expect Skubal or Peralta. Then you have guys with a year beyond this half season. That Ryan and Wacha, and probably a few others. Wacha would be cheaper, but he is pretty good. Either way, stakes get higher, but they still have enough. Thr next level is guys with 2 years beyond this year. Detmer and Soriano are two examples. They probably cost more. But if the Cubs wanted they can get them too. Probably 2 top 100 prospects and 2 high upside your kids. Maybe Shaw or Ballestaros instead of a prospect. Any of these options can be had. Just depends on what the Cubs are willing to give up. 

[CubUgly]

32 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

I think we absolutely have enough assets. If the want is a rental like Mize, Gray or even to a lesser extent Ray, they have easily enough. The question is do they want to get rid of that for one year or those guys and does the team they are trading to value the guy the Cubs have. Different teams value players differently. I don’t expect Skubal or Peralta. Then you have guys with a year beyond this half season. That Ryan and Wacha, and probably a few others. Wacha would be cheaper, but he is pretty good. Either way, stakes get higher, but they still have enough. Thr next level is guys with 2 years beyond this year. Detmer and Soriano are two examples. They probably cost more. But if the Cubs wanted they can get them too. Probably 2 top 100 prospects and 2 high upside your kids. Maybe Shaw or Ballestaros instead of a prospect. Any of these options can be had. Just depends on what the Cubs are willing to give up. 

I am hesitant to offer much of value for one year rentals.  Ryan would be my preference of course, and he would cost easily the most of what I consider to be realistic options, and we'd also have probably the most competition from teams that could offer as much or more.   As we found out - or at least heard -  last year when it came to nut cutting - most teams wanted pitching back to get pitchers - that we really don't have many assets to offer.

I'm not sure we could swing Ryan if it came down to bidding against others.  Of the others you mention Soriono would be next for me, none of the others particularly intrigue me.   Again, who would we be competing against for him, what could they offer and would it be more than us.  I do think we have solid assets to offer as far as position players but if they want a pitcher in there too can we compete outside of Wiggins with others bargaining against us?

[Bertz]

Misiorowski gave up two more dongs today, now has a (slightly) worse than average HR/FB rate.  Even the hardest throwing SP in history can't magically "miss the barrel".

I know everyone wants it to be a skill, it totally doesn't make sense that it's not, but all the evidence says it's random.

[squally1313]

4 minutes ago, Bertz said:

Misiorowski gave up two more dongs today, now has a (slightly) worse than average HR/FB rate.  Even the hardest throwing SP in history can't magically "miss the barrel".

I know everyone wants it to be a skill, it totally doesn't make sense that it's not, but all the evidence says it's random.

It's not "missing the barrel" it's "Brewers voodoo magic" which is obviously definitely a thing. 

[mul21]

2 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

It's not "missing the barrel" it's "Brewers voodoo magic" which is obviously definitely a thing. 

See also, "pixie dust".  The horseshoe up their ass against the DBacks the other day was particularly annoying though.

[Bertz]

4 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

It's not "missing the barrel" it's "Brewers voodoo magic" which is obviously definitely a thing. 

Eh, I think Miller park just became more pitcher friendly the last year+.  They both hit and gave up a ton of dongs prior to lasy year, now they do neither.

- From 21-24 Milwaukee was 6th best in HR/FB as an offense (12.9%), 5th worst as a pitching staff (13.0%)

- The last 1.5 seasons they're 3rd best as a pitching staff (10.3%) and 10th worst as an offense (10.9%)

No joke at all did something happen when it turned from Miller Park to AmFam field?

[sneakypower]

24 minutes ago, Bertz said:

Misiorowski gave up two more dongs today, now has a (slightly) worse than average HR/FB rate.  Even the hardest throwing SP in history can't magically "miss the barrel".

I know everyone wants it to be a skill, it totally doesn't make sense that it's not, but all the evidence says it's random.

probably to some degree related to this recent phenomenon and i'm sure the unseasonably hot summer is having an effect as well

[We Got The Whole 9]

Seiya sent him on a downward spiral. 

 

Im actually more surprised that he has just completely stopped walking people. Never would have imagined him putting up 6.0 KBB.

[Stratos]

2 hours ago, CubUgly said:

I hope so but you and I both know it's not that easy - so many variables.  How many teams are selling, who are we competing against to buy, do we have enough assets to get what we need, etc., etc., etc. 

Last year nobody was selling their SP.  I don't think any of the quality names changed hands.  We got Soroka.

RP prices could get high too.

[Stratos]

26 minutes ago, sneakypower said:

probably to some degree related to this recent phenomenon and i'm sure the unseasonably hot summer is having an effect as well

Wtf.  That's crazy

[Jason Ross]

4 minutes ago, Stratos said:

Last year nobody was selling their SP.  I don't think any of the quality names changed hands.  We got Soroka.

RP prices could get high too.

There also weren't many good rental SP's available. Merril Kelly and the coming off TJS Shane Beiber were all you had. 

Mize, Gray, Peralta, etc, are all better than anyone there, That doesn't even factor in Skubal. So I do think the SP market will be different. We may not see the controlled ones go, but most of the rental market will have to go. It should help prices a bit.

[Stratos]

1 hour ago, CubUgly said:

 ... last year when it came to nut cutting - most teams wanted pitching...

😮

[Rcal10]

1 hour ago, CubUgly said:

I am hesitant to offer much of value for one year rentals.  Ryan would be my preference of course, and he would cost easily the most of what I consider to be realistic options, and we'd also have probably the most competition from teams that could offer as much or more.   As we found out - or at least heard -  last year when it came to nut cutting - most teams wanted pitching back to get pitchers - that we really don't have many assets to offer.

I'm not sure we could swing Ryan if it came down to bidding against others.  Of the others you mention Soriono would be next for me, none of the others particularly intrigue me.   Again, who would we be competing against for him, what could they offer and would it be more than us.  I do think we have solid assets to offer as far as position players but if they want a pitcher in there too can we compete outside of Wiggins with others bargaining against us?

I asked before but didn’t get an answer. Would Ryan, with only 1 extra year of control, cost more than someone like Detmer or Soriano with an extra year? Considering ‘27 might be a nightmare season, I am not sure he would cost more. But IDK. What is an extra year of control worth?

[Derwood]

You will all be shocked to learn that Milwaukee came back to beat St. Louis for the second straight time (on the road)

Brewers on a 102 win pace

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[CubUgly]

19 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

I asked before but didn’t get an answer. Would Ryan, with only 1 extra year of control, cost more than someone like Detmer or Soriano with an extra year? Considering ‘27 might be a nightmare season, I am not sure he would cost more. But IDK. What is an extra year of control worth?

I think Ryan would cost more yes, but I don't have those numbers can do some research later and find out. 

[chibears55]

16 minutes ago, Derwood said:

You will all be shocked to learn that Milwaukee came back to beat St. Louis for the second straight time (on the road)

Brewers on a 102 win pace

I'd be shocked if they caught the Brewers now, both have 72 games left to play, if the Brewers play 500 and go 36-36, im not sure right now, the Cubs can go 44-28 to pass them.

Hopefully by August 31st when they meet up at WF for a 4 game series, things will be different 

[Andy]

22 minutes ago, Derwood said:

You will all be shocked to learn that Milwaukee came back to beat St. Louis for the second straight time (on the road)

Brewers on a 102 win pace

I've said it before but if they're going to pull this horsefeathers anyway, I kinda want them to win the World Series so the owners look even more like the ghouls they are for pretending the salary cap is about helping the poor small-market teams while Milwaukee is the 2nd most successful regular season team of the decade, is humming along winning 95+ a year, and holding the trophy.

Edited 58 minutes ago by Andy

[Derwood]

And.....we're in a rain delay

Odd, because the radar shows very little near Baltimore (and what there is is south and moving away from the stadium)

Edited 8 minutes ago by Derwood