Cubs (Imanaga) vs Padres (Vásquez): 4/15/25, 8:40pm

[CaliforniaRaisin]

1 minute ago, Jason Ross said:

Yeah, the Shaw thing feels unfair, though I do wonder if this is a quick "up and down" to restore confidence. Hes been rough and hes in his head at this stage. The Cubs face a lot of good arms and teams between now and May 12th. Perhaps he goes to Iowa, smacks it around for a few weeks and then comes back when the opponents get lighter.

He didn’t have a proper spring training so a nice reset might be for the best.

[CUBDOM4life]

1 minute ago, Jason Ross said:

Yeah, the Shaw thing feels unfair, though I do wonder if this is a quick "up and down" to restore confidence. Hes been rough and hes in his head at this stage. The Cubs face a lot of good arms and teams between now and May 12th. Perhaps he goes to Iowa, smacks it around for a few weeks and then comes back when the opponents get lighter.

I’m thinking they see something in particular they want to adjust in his hitting approach. Otherwise, I don’t get why you don’t just leave him in MLB to figure it out in time like they did with him in AAA last year

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Official official:

 

[Jason Ross]

3 minutes ago, CUBDOM4life said:

I’m thinking they see something in particular they want to adjust in his hitting approach. Otherwise, I don’t get why you don’t just leave him in MLB to figure it out in time like they did with him in AAA last year

Just looking at the data, he looks like someone who doesn't know when to swing right now. He's watching inside pitches ahead of the count too often, almost like he wants to take a walk. Passive. He's usually fairly aggressive. MLB comes at you fast. 

[Rcal10]

3 minutes ago, Jason Ross said:

Just looking at the data, he looks like someone who doesn't know when to swing right now. He's watching inside pitches ahead of the count too often, almost like he wants to take a walk. Passive. He's usually fairly aggressive. MLB comes at you fast. 

I agree with this. But, in his defense, he has also been called out on strikes several times on pitches out of the zone. He probably just needs a reset. 

[Bertz]

The Shaw thing is dumb.  The only argument I can see is helping keep his confidence intact by avoiding a tough slate of pitching.  But if that was the goal sending him off with Glasnow and Cease is doing him pretty dirty.

[Jason Ross]

2 minutes ago, Bertz said:

The Shaw thing is dumb.  The only argument I can see is helping keep his confidence intact by avoiding a tough slate of pitching.  But if that was the goal sending him off with Glasnow and Cease is doing him pretty dirty.

Yeah, I agree. The 18 games feels unfair. Two of those games came on another continent and without a good chunk of ST, and of the other 16 games, he saw Arizona, LAD, SD (4 games), Texas and both of the As best starters. The home games he had were brutally cold as well. 

He does look defeated and bewildered at the plate right now but Id let him fight through it, myself. 

[chibears55]

I bet Shaw will be back for the Pirates series, theyre definitely going to work on something in Iowa for a couple weeks. there's no way they're going to go with Berti, Workman,  and or Turner at 3B for any time longer then that.

[We Got The Whole 9]

I think his last AB was so bad they feel his confidence is shot. Every pitch he saw was a ball inside and he swung at em all. Definitely not rising to the occasion. 

 

But again Holliday and Crews are struggling just as bad. The league just swallows some guys up.

[Derwood]

Shaw thing is only dumb from the outside. Maybe he has expressed frustration or stress to the coaches and this is best for a mental reset

[Jason Ross]

2 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

I think his last AB was so bad they feel his confidence is shot. Every pitch he saw was a ball inside and he swung at em all. Definitely not rising to the occasion. 

 

But again Holliday and Crews are struggling just as bad. The league just swallows some guys up.

Exactly on the last point. Jackson Chourio was bad for 3 months, Wyatt Langford for 5. Its really hard right now for rookies. Patience is needed. I hope this is a quick confidence/work on a smaller thing turn around, but I'm a fan of productive struggle when you can afford it, and offensively the Cubs can *probably* afford it currently, so I'd probably have kept him up.

[WhyCantWeWin]

44 minutes ago, ToolDRT said:

Shaw optioned 

I thought you were joking

Definitely a deserving demotion, though replacing him with Brujan is suspect 

Edited April 15, 2025 by WhyCantWeWin

[Bertz]

The Cubs don't face a LHH SP until Luzardo during the Phillies series next weekend.  Though it looks like against the Pirates it will be Skenes and two lefties.

So what I'm saying is Workman better get like 90% of this playing time.

[CUBDOM4life]

[Dfan25]

Rotiwire has Turner at 3B in the expected lineup , but isn’t a confirmed one yet . Suzuki and Kelly are listed in the expected lineup . 
 

Turner really shouldn’t be playing 3B at all imo , and it isn’t like he is hitting well . I prefer to have Berti or Workman there . At least Workman will give you defense .

With that said Shota is pitching tonight , so that’s probably the reasoning for going with Turner .

[WhyCantWeWin]

Just now, CUBDOM4life said:

Good to see Turner still in the 3 hole, one of the best hitters on the team

[Hot Sauce]

33 minutes ago, WhyCantWeWin said:

Good to see Turner still in the 3 hole, one of the best hitters on the team

There really isn’t a better option without messing with the synergy of the lineup, as Stratos pointed out yesterday when I brought up the same complaint. 

Edited April 15, 2025 by Hot Sauce

[squally1313]

Everyone breaks eventually, Father Time is undefeated, etc, but I’m personally not going to write off the guy with four straight years with over 500 PAs and a wRC of 115 or better over 35 PAs this year. 

[Rcal10]

12 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

Everyone breaks eventually, Father Time is undefeated, etc, but I’m personally not going to write off the guy with four straight years with over 500 PAs and a wRC of 115 or better over 35 PAs this year. 

I agree. I am pretty sure everyone thought he was done last year too, when at the end up May he was hitting under .200. I think the entire month of May he is .111. He ended up having a pretty good year. While, as you said, Father Time catches up to everyone at some point, I am not sure we make that decision on 35 PA. 

[Stratos]

Shaw sucks right now and has been atrocious vs RHP (.339 OPS), let him get his timing and confidence etc back in Iowa then bring him back up when he's swinging well.  Try Berti/Workman/Turner etc at 3B, they can't do any worse.  Shaw isn't PCA, he doesn't provide value if he's hitting badly.

Edited April 16, 2025 by Stratos

[JD94]

 

[JD94]

My only concern with Shaw is his batting stance is so freaking weird. Feels like a lot has to go right and stay right for him to consistently hit. Then again, it’s worked his whole life. Also then again, he’s never faced MLB pitching on a day to day basis either. 

[DYMNO]

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[CubinNY]

38 minutes ago, JD94 said:

My only concern with Shaw is his batting stance is so freaking weird. Feels like a lot has to go right and stay right for him to consistently hit. Then again, it’s worked his whole life. Also then again, he’s never faced MLB pitching on a day to day basis either. 

He’s hit at every level up to this one. There is no reason whatsoever that he can’t hit at the major league level given time. Instead of looking at his set up and load look at his body at contact. It’s sound. 

[Cubfanintheknow]

53 minutes ago, JD94 said:

 

Love this comp!😉