Week 9 - Bears (4-3) @ Cardinals (4-4), 3:05 p.m. Sunday 11/3

[Hairyducked Idiot]

6 minutes ago, SpongeWorthy said:

the evidentiary burden is on the offensive coordinator to demonstrate they are someone who can give you an edge in scheme and qb development, not just be in the meaty part of the bell curve

Why?

[Soul]

 

I see nothing about Waldron that is more than “meh.”  It’s OK to be critical of a guy because he isn’t standing out from the pack.  It shouldn’t even be an argument.  He should be impressive and it should be obvious.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Wright has an MCL sprain, severity unknown. 

 

This is so depressing. Caleb isn't gonna break 4K. Daniels, even if he's a first-read type of guy, is blowing him out of the water. Looking like 2 years in a row we passed on the best QB in the draft. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

15 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Wright has an MCL sprain, severity unknown. 

 

This is so depressing. Caleb isn't gonna break 4K. Daniels, even if he's a first-read type of guy, is blowing him out of the water. Looking like 2 years in a row we passed on the best QB in the draft. 

It was never more than 50% for Williams to be the best QB in the draft.  You can't take one guy against the field.

The Williams pick is a pass/fail pick on whether or not he becomes a franchise qb, Daniels nor maye nor anyone else has anything to do with it.

And I wouldn't exactly give up on Williams being the best of them based on half a rookie season p

 

[NorthsideAvenger]

Did I read it correctly that Stevenson pulled himself out of practice last week when he learned of his demotion?

[Wilson A2000]

2 hours ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

Did I read it correctly that Stevenson pulled himself out of practice last week when he learned of his demotion?

Sounds like it was briefly to compose himself, but came back 

[raw]

7 hours ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Wright has an MCL sprain, severity unknown. 

 

This is so depressing. Caleb isn't gonna break 4K. Daniels, even if he's a first-read type of guy, is blowing him out of the water. Looking like 2 years in a row we passed on the best QB in the draft. 

Oh this is dumb.

[BigbadB]

Watching yesterday's game was numbing. I didn't yell at the tv once. I just sat there numb. I kind of knew this was going to happen, because it's so Bearsy to have it happen. I think I'm also at that point in the season that nothing will shock me anymore this year. I'm ready to move on from yet another coaching staff. Start wherever you want....Poles, Eberflus, I don't care. Try to get it right this time, and can we please go agro on improving this offensive line? 

This team was playing like they have already given up on this season and this coaching staff, and considering I was numb to everything that was happening in front of me, I guess I've given up on this team now, too. I'll continue to watch, because I don't not watch. But the excitement of possibly being a wild card or some caliber of playoff team is over at this point. If that's the best showing that they can give against Arizona, it's going to be even uglier in the coming weeks. 

I won't be the guy wishing we had Daniels or Nix, but it's frustrating as hell watching those guys hit guys in stride, hit their guys in open areas where there is YAC, go deep for a connection, take off running when a play breaks down, etc... A semblance of an actual offense, something we are not getting with all world talent littering the roster. I saw Waldron attempting to create plays to get DJ in space, but there is zero space when the defense doesn't need to wander any further than about 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage when there is no threat of a deep play, because A) the line won't hold up for a deep patter, and B) Caleb is constantly way off target on deep patterns. 

This season is basically over. Sell what you can and try not to let anyone die on the field before this season is over. 

[CubinNY]

Whether Kyle wants to admit it or not, it's the coaching. The NFL's talent level is bunched up around the mean. The Curve is steep, and the standard deviation is narrow. Coaching is more important than in any other sport. 

I don't think they will be making any changes. 

[mul21]

I bet Arizona yesterday because I was so confident Eberflus had completely botched the handling of last week's debacle.  He's lost the locker room and there's no coming back from it at this point with all the offensive line injuries.  5-12 is going to be neat.

[NorthsideAvenger]

2 hours ago, Wilson A2000 said:

Sounds like it was briefly to compose himself, but came back 

Ok, thank you.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

53 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

Whether Kyle wants to admit it or not, it's the coaching. The NFL's talent level is bunched up around the mean. The Curve is steep, and the standard deviation is narrow. Coaching is more important than in any other sport. 

I don't think they will be making any changes. 

You can tell this theory is true because great QBs struggle to win consistently when coaches change. Guys like Manning and Rodgers and Brady fall right back to 5-12 town when they get bad coaches.

 

The degree to which football fans completely dismiss player impact because it's easier to be mad at coaches is fascinating.

Edited November 4, 2024 by Hairyducked Idiot

[CubinNY]

2 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

You can tell this theory is true because great QBs struggle to win consistently when coaches change. Guys like Manning and Rodgers and Brady fall right back to 5-12 town when they get bad coaches.

 

The degree to which football fans completely dismiss player impact because it's easier to be mad at coaches is fascinating.

You mention outliers like they prove something. Manning and Rodgers didn't win anything, and Brady's team won on defense. 

You can compensate all you want but it doesn't change the game. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I don't think Eberflus is an idiot or that the locker room is completely unsalvageable.

But I think that's moot because with this schedule and these injuries, he's not likely to win enough to salvage it and is probably gone at the end of the season.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 minute ago, CubinNY said:

You mention outliers like they prove something. Manning and Rodgers didn't win anything, and Brady's team won on defense. 

You can compensate all you want but it doesn't change the game. 

I think when we are at the point where we say Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers didn't win anything, we've left serious conversation land. Or more accurately, admitting we were never there 

[CubinNY]

2 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I think when we are at the point where we say Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers didn't win anything, we've left serious conversation land. Or more accurately, admitting we were never there 

Manning won what in Denver? 

[Sammy Sofa]

2 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

Manning won what in Denver? 

A lot of football games.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

2 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

Manning won what in Denver? 

1) I didn't say "with new teams.".  All of those QBs had winning seasons virtually every year of their primes and deep into their declines, despite having several different head coaches.  They didn't just all coincidentally have good coaches every year.  It's insane how hard it is to get people to admit that the players on the field are the ones playing the game and deciding who wins and loses 

 

2) jfc you're not derwood, I shouldn't have to link this 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/2015.htm

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I know better than to expect anything from football fans in general, and especially when they're mad, but damn.

Eberflus is probably gonna get fired this off-season, and that's fine, nothing of value will be lost.  But it will accomplish exactly as much as the last six firings did.

[CubinNY]

1 minute ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

1) I didn't say "with new teams.".  All of those QBs had winning seasons virtually every year of their primes and deep into their declines, despite having several different head coaches.  They didn't just all coincidentally have good coaches every year.  It's insane how hard it is to get people to admit that the players on the field are the ones playing the game and deciding who wins and loses 

 

2) jfc you're not derwood, I shouldn't have to link this 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/2015.htm

They are also outliers you are trying to make a point with. When the Bears have a no-doubt hall of fame QB or any number of other teams who seem to win (Steelers) without them you may have a point. Obviously, you tend to go to poles on stuff like this. And it's not black and white. Coaching matters and it matters more when guys break into the league. It's not chicken or egg. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Just now, CubinNY said:

They are also outliers you are trying to make a point with. When the Bears have a no-doubt hall of fame QB or any number of other teams who seem to win (Steelers) without them you may have a point. Obviously, you tend to go to poles on stuff like this. And it's not black and white. Coaching matters and it matters more when guys break into the league. It's not chicken or egg. 

Outlier isn't a magic word that makes data points you don't like go away, even if that's how most of the internet uses it 

[CubinNY]

5 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Outlier isn't a magic word that makes data points you don't like go away, even if that's how most of the internet uses it 

LOL, you brought up two of the best QBs and probably the best QB of all time in an argument that coaching doesn't matter. Well, yes, with those three it probably doesn't matter. 

Edited November 4, 2024 by CubinNY

[NorthsideAvenger]

22 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

Manning won what in Denver? 

Super Bowl 50.

[gflore34]

Getting back to plays, play calling, etc., with the plethora of OL injuries will we see more of the Bears using 2 TE's trying to block with 7?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

5 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

LOL, you brought up two of the best QBs and probably the best QB of all time in an argument that coaching doesn't matter. Well, yes, with those three. 

Personally, if I said Peyton Manning didn't win anything in Denver, I would stop typing for a few hours.

 

I wouldn't say that coaches don't matter.  I would say that fans massively overestimate their impact, especially after anger-inducing losses.  They understand "adjustments" at the level Cosmo Kramer understands tax write offs.

I could go a long, long way down the list of reasons the Bears lost that game yesterday before I got to Eberflus and Waldron.

Key defensive starters hurt, offensive line decimated, veteran WRs showing their age, rookie QB having an inconsistent day (although I really didn't think he was terrible).