Week 9 - Bears (4-3) @ Cardinals (4-4), 3:05 p.m. Sunday 11/3

[Outshined_One]

2 minutes ago, mul21 said:

https://x.com/MaxMarkhamNFL/status/1853470183748403699

Bernstein & Holmes hasn't been a thing since Laurence took over for Danny Parkins.

Where did that clip come from?

[UMFan83]

I was just thinking about how in 2020 the Lions owner passed away and the team started being run by her daughter.  The daughter, Sheila Ford Hamp, immediately came in and stated 'I want to win and this is my primary focus and goal in life at the moment'.  She hired a football guy, Chris Spielman, to be the Lions CEO, he made some hires and the Lions are now the envy of the league.  

Meanwhile Bears fans had been trying to kick out Ted Phillips for years because he's an accountant, not a football guy.  Because of this, the organizational direction was set by the general manager, who was replaced every couple of seasons because they aren't good.  They finally got rid of Ted Phillips and instead of hiring a football guy hired Kevin Warren for the primary purpose of building a new stadium (which he seems to be failing at but that's beside the point).  So once again the organizational direction is set by the GM and may change drastically yet again if/when Poles is fired.

Maybe its not clear and obvious why ownership matters so much in the NFL.  There's a hard salary cap so you don't necessarily prove you're committed to winning by how much you spend on players.  But I think examples like that show where the Bears true priorities lie.  Of course they want to win, but their focus right now is on a shiny new stadium, not doing everything possible to build a winning organization.  There's gotta be a reason why a team like the Steelers has 4 losing seasons since the early 90s and the Bears have more than 20 right?

[UMFan83]

10 minutes ago, mul21 said:

https://x.com/MaxMarkhamNFL/status/1853470183748403699

“Has Matt Eberflus lost this football team?” Team Captain DJ Moore: “I won’t say no.”

Weird transcription.  Moore clearly says "I wanna say no" which isnt exactly a ringing endorsement but is a lot different than "I won't say no"

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'd ironically like to see Williams make more mistakes. I'm really tired of seeing him eat sacks because there was too many 1-on-1 coverages and throwing overly safe "my guy or nobody but probably nobody" balls.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think he lost the room when he hired Waldron. He’s such a pud, no charisma or personality. He’s been walked all over by veterans early on. Just a disastrous hire to develop a young qb. When a guy like Mercedes Lewis, who caught 10 balls over previous two years, feels comfortable calling you out in public from day one, your chances aren’t strong to win over the room. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

2 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

I think he lost the room when he hired Waldron. He’s such a pud, no charisma or personality. He’s been walked all over by veterans early on. Just a disastrous hire to develop a young qb. When a guy like Mercedes Lewis, who caught 10 balls over previous two years, feels comfortable calling you out in public from day one, your chances aren’t strong to win over the room. 

Probably, but I'm not a fan of the veterans doing the calling out either.  Lewis can't stop committing penatlies. Allen showed up out of shape and was our worst player on offense yesterday.  Moore looks like he's completely checked out.

This is shaping up to be a majestic meltdown.  Everything is on fire from having to play a below-average Arizona Cardinals team.

We haven't even gotten to the part where the Lions grind us into dust, or the Packers do their annual reminder that we're the lil bros.

[jersey cubs fan]

1 minute ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Probably, but I'm not a fan of the veterans doing the calling out either.  Lewis can't stop committing penatlies. Allen showed up out of shape and was our worst player on offense yesterday.  Moore looks like he's completely checked out.

This is shaping up to be a majestic meltdown.  Everything is on fire from having to play a below-average Arizona Cardinals team.

We haven't even gotten to the part where the Lions grind us into dust, or the Packers do their annual reminder that we're the lil bros.

I don’t like it either, but at least it’s an honest assessment and shows us where this team is at internally. 

[mul21]

Does it appear that Allen is the first option on a majority of the pass plays or am I imagining things?

[UMFan83]

8 minutes ago, mul21 said:

Does it appear that Allen is the first option on a majority of the pass plays or am I imagining things?

Not imagining things.  I've seen it pointed out on twitter and reddit in recent weeks as well.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I assume part of what Moore is pouting about is that he's being mostly used for clearouts.

[UMFan83]

Meanwhile in former Bears news as we digest another awful Oline performance.  Winning organizations vs losing organizations...

 

 

Edited November 4, 2024 by UMFan83

[cwood218]

10 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Meanwhile in former Bears news as we digest another awful Oline performance.  Winning organizations vs losing organizations...

 

 

But ... But ... you need players that fit the system blah blah blah ...

[gflore34]

12 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Meanwhile in former Bears news as we digest another awful Oline performance.  Winning organizations vs losing organizations...

 

 

But, yet, somehow that "winning organization"  did not correct the flaws in Fields' passing game?

[minnesotacubsfan]

19 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Meanwhile in former Bears news as we digest another awful Oline performance.  Winning organizations vs losing organizations...

 

 

coach'n don matter duh

[Tryptamine]

I know we were busy being miserable yesterday, but Oakland has already fired Luke Getsy. 

[Outshined_One]

Even with a better coaching staff, I think this still would have been a loss.

Granted, the loss wouldn't have been nearly as embarrassing, but it still would have sucked.

[UMFan83]

19 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

But, yet, somehow that "winning organization"  did not correct the flaws in Fields' passing game?

I mean they're not miracle workers.  Though they did manage to go 4-2 with him starting, something the Bears weren't able to do with Justin.

Edited November 4, 2024 by UMFan83

[minnesotacubsfan]

2 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

Even with a better coaching staff, I think this still would have been a loss.

Granted, the loss wouldn't have been nearly as embarrassing, but it still would have sucked.

it wouldnt have sucked because with better coaching, chances are we walk out of DC with a win the week before

 

 

[Rex Buckingham]

29 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

I know we were busy being miserable yesterday, but Oakland has already fired Luke Getsy. 

and the Saints fired Dennis Allen

[Hairyducked Idiot]

39 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

I mean they're not miracle workers.  Though they did manage to go 4-2 with him starting, something the Bears weren't able to do with Justin.

The bears had at least one 4-2 stretch with him. 

[gflore34]

38 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

it wouldnt have sucked because with better coaching, chances are we walk out of DC with a win the week before

 

 

Watched some of film analysis by Jenkins, don't really know how better coaching makes up for Caleb' receivers being awful.  The coaching part- called plays - got them open, Caleb threw good balls, receivers didn't execute maybe Waldron has to catch the balls as well.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I know everyone's terrified to say it because of three years of excuse-making for Fields but I'll say it:  Williams was made to look worse by his receivers and line yesterday.

I really don't think he had a terrible day.  He missed a couple throws (and I think sometimes he makes intentional throwaways that look like bad throws) but I don't think we would have noticed them this much if we weren't already concerned about his accuracy.

It wasn't a good day. He needs to be a tick faster in his processing, something they were throwing at him was throwing him off.  But I thought it was like C- QB play.

 

[gflore34]

6 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I know everyone's terrified to say it because of three years of excuse-making for Fields but I'll say it:  Williams was made to look worse by his receivers and line yesterday.

I really don't think he had a terrible day.  He missed a couple throws (and I think sometimes he makes intentional throwaways that look like bad throws) but I don't think we would have noticed them this much if we weren't already concerned about his accuracy.

It wasn't a good day. He needs to be a tick faster in his processing, something they were throwing at him was throwing him off.  But I thought it was like C- QB play.

 

Noticed the same things in the film, even Jenkins says his receivers let him down.  And, on the fade to Allen, love how the officiating misses his left arm being held by the DB yet, somehow, magically saw leverage by Dexter on the FG attempt.

Edited November 4, 2024 by gflore34

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Through 8 games, Williams is on pace for 3538 passing yards, 19 TDs and 11 ints.

 

I know we are all jealous of Daniels, but that's really not bad 

[Tryptamine]

11 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Through 8 games, Williams is on pace for 3538 passing yards, 19 TDs and 11 ints.

 

I know we are all jealous of Daniels, but that's really not bad 

I know you alluded to this before, and I thought it to myself a few times yesterday, but I almost feel like Caleb is too afraid of making the big mistake, especially on deep balls. It's always a significant over throw and he's not making the anticipation throws, instead he's about half a second behind giving the defense time to react.