Chicago Bears offseason

[UMFan83]

1 minute ago, Wilson A2000 said:

Where do the Bears go at #9 if Harrison, Nabers, Bowers, and Odunze are already taken? 

I highly doubt all 4 of them will go in the first 7 non-Caleb/Maye picks but if it happened I suppose I'd go BPA, ideally OT or Edge

[profisme]

2 minutes ago, Wilson A2000 said:

Where do the Bears go at #9 if Harrison, Nabers, Bowers, and Odunze are already taken? 

That would be quite the shock if all 4 went in the top 8 picks.  Especially if 2 QBs are taken for sure and possibly 3 if Daniels is taken that early.  That means at least 3 of Fashanu, Alt, Turner, Latu are still on the board.  If Bowers is there at #9, you gotta take him, right?  I think positionally he is the most "head and shoulders" above the rest of the position group.

[Tryptamine]

2 minutes ago, Wilson A2000 said:

Where do the Bears go at #9 if Harrison, Nabers, Bowers, and Odunze are already taken? 

MHJ and Nabers are definitely gone by 9. If the chargers don't take Bowers he's there at 9 and I'd frankly be pretty surprised if Odunze isn't there at nine. 

[Tryptamine]

1 hour ago, UK said:

Between Waldron, Kubiak, Coen, and Olson....

I'd rank them....

Kubiak

Waldron

Olson

Coen

Which means they'll hire Coen.

I find it interesting that they're all coming from systems with pocket passing QBs. Also, I still have no idea what Coen has done to warrant this interest. 

[raw]

1 hour ago, UK said:

They're different enough to go beyond skin color, university, and number to be able to differentiate the two. 

If for some reason Williams isn't there at 1/1, I would be fine taking Maye. Unlike Trubisky, Maye would be the best QB available if that happened.

Yeah, Bo Nix is more similar to Trubisky than Drake Maye is. I like Maye, but I'm not sold on him, even over Fields. I'd have much more of an internal debate if the Bears had the #2 pick. I'd probably lean Maye, but I do think if they were both in this same draft and without knowledge of Fields' NFL performance, I'd probably slightly prefer Fields as a prospect. 

[raw]

1 hour ago, UK said:

Between Waldron, Kubiak, Coen, and Olson....

I'd rank them....

Kubiak

Waldron

Olson

Coen

Which means they'll hire Coen.

I think I like Waldron the most, but Kubiak is a toss up 1B situation. Olson and Coen would be the same order for sure, but admittedly, I don't know much about Coen

[WrigleyField 22]

5 hours ago, raw said:

If it makes you feel better, Trubisky is only 6'2, and Maye is 6'4-6'5, and they have completely different body types. Of course, both wore #10 for UNC and are definitely white

Khalil Mack wasn't so sure about that.

[WrigleyField 22]

3 hours ago, UMFan83 said:

Reported at 6'1 but I bet he's closer to 6 foot even when he's measured.  That's really the only reservation I have about Caleb but he's not Bryce Young/Kyler Murray short (both 5'10)

He also won't have to go on a water bloat diet to weigh in at the Combine 

[UK]

3 hours ago, raw said:

I think I like Waldron the most, but Kubiak is a toss up 1B situation. Olson and Coen would be the same order for sure, but admittedly, I don't know much about Coen

Coen was terrible with the Rams. I've seen him enough at UK to where he's a good OC in college football but that's his max.

Him and Stoops don't get along (I blame Stoops more on this one) but I would not want him.

I think Waldron has been good with Seattle but I think Kubiak might have a higher risk/reward. I think Waldron can get the middle of the pack results which is better than Olson or Coen.

[WrigleyField 22]

Waldron and he brings in Olson as his QB coach so there's a in house hire when he's poached in 1-2 years 🤞

[gflore34]

I'm still upset Harbaugh was passed on by the Bears, with the Bears nothing is certain however, I'm certain the Bears best chance at turning around is not Eberflus.  Another example of winning taking a back seat to money, if McCaskey' truly cared about winning they'd put up with Harbaugh' nonsense long enough to right the team and build a base for continued winning.

[BigSlick]

6 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

I'm still upset Harbaugh was passed on by the Bears, with the Bears nothing is certain however, I'm certain the Bears best chance at turning around is not Eberflus.  Another example of winning taking a back seat to money, if McCaskey' truly cared about winning they'd put up with Harbaugh' nonsense long enough to right the team and build a base for continued winning.

It’s not about money with eberflus. I don’t think they care that much about a piddly few million. What they care about is stability and controversy (avoiding it that is)

I’m gonna guess that’s why Harbaugh wasn’t a likely choice, and why someone like Lovie Smith was a PERFECT McCaskey coach.

Edited January 16, 2024 by BigSlick

[Rex Buckingham]

2 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

It’s not about money with eberflus. I don’t think they care that much about a piddly few million. What they care about is stability and controversy (avoiding it that is)

I’m gonna guess that’s why Harbaugh wasn’t a likely choice, and why someone like Lovie Smith was a PERFECT McCaskey coach.

and yet, he had to fire two staff members for reasons not relating to the team's performance... 

[CubinNY]

I don't know the reasons why they retained Eberflus other than what limited statements they made. It's clear that he's on the hot seat from now until the end of the next season or whenever he is fired. That is not a good environment in which to bring in a new QB. The only difference between this go around and the last is a new OC and QB coach. 

The Bears are a poorly run professional sports team that finds themselves in the same place they were four years ago. There is no getting around that. I'm sure Harbaugh knows that. 

[Rex Buckingham]

12 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

I don't know the reasons why they retained Eberflus other than what limited statements they made. It's clear that he's on the hot seat from now until the end of the next season or whenever he is fired. That is not a good environment in which to bring in a new QB. The only difference between this go around and the last is a new OC and QB coach. 

The Bears are a poorly run professional sports team that finds themselves in the same place they were four years ago. There is no getting around that. I'm sure Harbaugh knows that. 

The biggest problem is that I don't think he is on the hot seat next year with a rookie QB unless they pull a Panthers and the rookie QB sucks - which obviously would be an even bigger problem. 

If the rookie QB is good, then Eberflus probably won't screw things up too badly, but I wonder about his overall philosophy/strategy (the stupid "200 Club" thing, for example) and his questionable defensive playcalling. Was going to question his offensive philosophy too, but I think it's fair to wonder how much they were handcuffed by Fields' passing/Getsy's playcalling

[Tryptamine]

So how do the Bears land Maxx Crosby if he indeed demands a trade if the Raiders don't keep interim head coach Antonio Pierce on as the coach moving forward? Crosby would be pricy, but with Sweat and Crosby, a formerly weak pass rush becomes a strength. Also, is it even feasible without involving a trade back from #1 all the way to #13? I can't imagine trading back from #9 to #13 is enough to get it done. 

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

41 minutes ago, Rex Buckingham said:

The biggest problem is that I don't think he is on the hot seat next year with a rookie QB unless they pull a Panthers and the rookie QB sucks - which obviously would be an even bigger problem. 

If the rookie QB is good, then Eberflus probably won't screw things up too badly, but I wonder about his overall philosophy/strategy (the stupid "200 Club" thing, for example) and his questionable defensive playcalling. Was going to question his offensive philosophy too, but I think it's fair to wonder how much they were handcuffed by Fields' passing/Getsy's playcalling.

I agree that part of the problem was Fields possibly handcuffing them, but I definitely worry that a big part of the problem with offensive play calling was on Eberflus.  I know most Bears fans think Getsy was the main problem (and I am fine moving on), but I do wonder how much was Fields/Eberflus.  I still remember the halftime interview of the Denver game where Eberflus said something like, "Fields has been incredibly efficient, but we are going to be relying on our defense in the second half."  I remember rolling my eyes so hard at that.  I mean at that time, they were still in the midst of like 20 games of being one of if not the worst defense in the league.  Maybe it was just boring coach speak in that the defense should be able to hold on in that game, but I think he does feel like you can still just play conservative and have your defense win you games in the modern NFL.  And I absolutely think he gives the message to Getsy that he wants to run the ball and eat clock, etc. 

Edited January 16, 2024 by PosterToBeNamedLater

[BigSlick]

1 hour ago, Rex Buckingham said:

and yet, he had to fire two staff members for reasons not relating to the team's performance... 

i am not gonna defend their position or how consistent they are in enforcing it, lol 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 hour ago, PosterToBeNamedLater said:

I agree that part of the problem was Fields possibly handcuffing them, but I definitely worry that a big part of the problem with offensive play calling was on Eberflus.  I know most Bears fans think Getsy was the main problem (and I am fine moving on), but I do wonder how much was Fields/Eberflus.  I still remember the halftime interview of the Denver game where Eberflus said something like, "Fields has been incredibly efficient, but we are going to be relying on our defense in the second half."  I remember rolling my eyes so hard at that.  I mean at that time, they were still in the midst of like 20 games of being one of if not the worst defense in the league.  Maybe it was just boring coach speak in that the defense should be able to hold on in that game, but I think he does feel like you can still just play conservative and have your defense win you games in the modern NFL.  And I absolutely think he gives the message to Getsy that he wants to run the ball and eat clock, etc. 

Well, given what happened when the ball was put in fields' hands in the second half of that game, I don't blame him 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 hour ago, Tryptamine said:

So how do the Bears land Maxx Crosby if he indeed demands a trade if the Raiders don't keep interim head coach Antonio Pierce on as the coach moving forward? Crosby would be pricy, but with Sweat and Crosby, a formerly weak pass rush becomes a strength. Also, is it even feasible without involving a trade back from #1 all the way to #13? I can't imagine trading back from #9 to #13 is enough to get it done. 

Not interested.  He will be 27 before his next snap.  Just build the offense 

[BigSlick]

If you can get Crosby for a steal, I'd be interested, but otherwise, I agree with Kyle - put those resources to building that offense around your new QB. The defense may fall short of being elite, but thats fine. Defenses in the modern NFL are about as reliable year-in-year-out as bullpen arms. You never know what you're gonna get and they may just collapse on you at any moment. 

The more consistent thing is your offense. Build a competent offense. Make that a mantra in Halas Hall. Build a competent offense. 

[jersey cubs fan]

12 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

If you can get Crosby for a steal, I'd be interested, but otherwise, I agree with Kyle - put those resources to building that offense around your new QB. The defense may fall short of being elite, but thats fine. Defenses in the modern NFL are about as reliable year-in-year-out as bullpen arms. You never know what you're gonna get and they may just collapse on you at any moment. 

The more consistent thing is your offense. Build a competent offense. Make that a mantra in Halas Hall. Build a competent offense. 

Little nitpick there, but a competent offense isn’t enough. Build a potent offense and then supplement with competent defense. 

[gflore34]

15 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

If you can get Crosby for a steal, I'd be interested, but otherwise, I agree with Kyle - put those resources to building that offense around your new QB. The defense may fall short of being elite, but thats fine. Defenses in the modern NFL are about as reliable year-in-year-out as bullpen arms. You never know what you're gonna get and they may just collapse on you at any moment. 

The more consistent thing is your offense. Build a competent offense. Make that a mantra in Halas Hall. Build a competent offense. 

Nearly everyone realizes a good offense must be the focal point, I'm not confident Poles is aware. This years' draft it's pretty clear they should go QB and WR, I'm fairly confident he'll go QB , not so certain he won't trade down from 9 to take an edge rusher and another horsefeathers DB before he addresses WR.

Edited January 16, 2024 by gflore34

[Old Style]

56 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

If you can get Crosby for a steal, I'd be interested, but otherwise, I agree with Kyle - [b]put those resources to building that offense around your new QB.[/b] The defense may fall short of being elite, but thats fine. Defenses in the modern NFL are about as reliable year-in-year-out as bullpen arms. You never know what you're gonna get and they may just collapse on you at any moment. 

The more consistent thing is your offense. Build a competent offense. Make that a mantra in Halas Hall. Build a competent offense. 

But an elite QB shouldn’t need more weapons. He can succeed with the horsefeathers we already have. 

[BigSlick]

12 minutes ago, Old Style said:

But an elite QB shouldn’t need more weapons. He can succeed with the horsefeathers we already have. 

Sure, although you look at KC and can see how lacking weapons matters. Nothing wrong with making the security blanket as nice and as comfortable as possible for the rookie.