Chicago Bears offseason

[jersey cubs fan]

5 minutes ago, stitchface said:

Well, Caleb Williams hasn't exactly done that at USC has he? 

Roster talent disparity in college is much wider than nfl. 

[stitchface]

2 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Roster talent disparity in college is much wider than nfl. 

which is why he lit up the bad teams but couldn't beat the good ones? yea, I know defense matters. My point really is you can't make the QB decision in a vacuum because it's not a guarantee with any of these guys and there is opportunity cost. If the O line and receivers suck, no qb is going to succeed.

[profisme]

6 hours ago, Brian707 said:

Every single way. 

Hold on just a moment.  We've never seen Goff had the ball off to McCaffrey.  He might not be as proficient at that.  

[UMFan83]

 

Probably doesnt mean anything but still

[Tryptamine]

4 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

 

Probably doesnt mean anything but still

All I know is that if they trade the #1, it had better be for the '23 haul+at least another 1st and they stay in the top 10.

[WrigleyField 22]

I definitely wouldn't trash my current QB in an interview with like 9 prospective hires knowing I'm only hiring one.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

23 hours ago, stitchface said:

Do you guys honestly think getting someone better than Fields is more than a crapshoot? I'm not football expert, but I don't think I would go with a QB at 1:1. Seems like the Bears would be better off building a strong roster than throwing all their eggs (I know that's an overstatement) on one QB savior. I mean, it's not just the Bears that are routinely disappointed by top QB picks.

Can't really evaluate without knowing what moves could be made, but I have to think deciding QB or no-QB without evaluating the total value of the available picks is not a good approach.

Here is where Fields ranked in some passing categories:

Success%: 29th, between Kenny Pickett and Will Levis
ANY/A: 27th, betewen Pickett and Joshua Dobbs
Passing yards: 19th, between Desmond Ritter and Dobbs
QBR:  24th, between Kyler Murray and Sam Howell
Sack%: 3rd, between Zach Wilson and Bryce Young

Do you think the teams with Zach Wilson, Kenny Pickett, Joshua Dobbs or Will Levis are asking "man, what are the odds we find a QB better than we have?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

4 hours ago, stitchface said:

Well, Caleb Williams hasn't exactly done that at USC has he? 

He did, though. He pretty much singlehandedly carried that USC offense to one of the best performances in the nation this season.

I don't know why people have this weird belief that Williams didn't have an absolutely fantastic season.

[raw]

11 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

He did, though. He pretty much singlehandedly carried that USC offense to one of the best performances in the nation this season.

I don't know why people have this weird belief that Williams didn't have an absolutely fantastic season.

Exactly! He was still a top 10 (mostly top 5) QB in every category. He was always going to have an impossible bar set for him after winning the Heisman as a sophomore. That's why only 1 person has won it twice, and nobody in the last 50 years has. 

[Soul]

12 hours ago, raw said:

Exactly! He was still a top 10 (mostly top 5) QB in every category. He was always going to have an impossible bar set for him after winning the Heisman as a sophomore. That's why only 1 person has won it twice, and nobody in the last 50 years has. 

Will the ball come out quickly and accurately?  For me that’s the evaluation.  I’m frustrated by the QBs we’ve brought in that can’t process quickly enough.  I know it’s also probably the most difficult thing to project from college to pro.

[stitchface]

19 hours ago, raw said:

Exactly! He was still a top 10 (mostly top 5) QB in every category. He was always going to have an impossible bar set for him after winning the Heisman as a sophomore. That's why only 1 person has won it twice, and nobody in the last 50 years has. 

his individual performance is not the point. the point is that a stellar qb alone won't win. A point you have emphasized despite missing.

Edited January 24, 2024 by stitchface

[WrigleyField 22]

Stellar QB play makes winning immensely easier, especially over long time frames.

[raw]

11 hours ago, Soul said:

Will the ball come out quickly and accurately?  For me that’s the evaluation.  I’m frustrated by the QBs we’ve brought in that can’t process quickly enough.  I know it’s also probably the most difficult thing to project from college to pro.

He's shown that it will be quick and accurate at times. But even if he's never better at processing than Fields is, he has a MUCH quicker release which makes being a tick late easier to overcome. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

18 hours ago, stitchface said:

his individual performance is not the point. the point is that a stellar qb alone won't win. A point you have emphasized despite missing.

They won more than they lost.

[minnesotacubsfan]

so did 1/2 the ncaa

40 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

They won more than they lost.

 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 hour ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

so did 1/2 the ncaa

 

assuming we are limiting this to FBS, it's something 60.2% of teams failed to do 

[CubinNY]

28 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

assuming we are limiting this to FBS, it's something 60.2% of teams failed to do 

you can't outpednatic Kyle. 

[WrigleyField 22]

We all know what that coded language means

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

I'm a little more than halfway through this, but I have liked this so far.  I do hope we draft Williams.  

 

[Tryptamine]

Probably more speculation than any thing based on any evidence, but I've seen the mention of the Bears targeting Chase Young several times recently. He finally stayed healthy this year, playing in 16 games, he had 7.5 sacks between Washington and SF and while he wouldn't be cheap, he shouldn't require a monster contract and would still be a significant upgrade. With the vast majority of the talent in the 2024 draft coming on the offensive side of the ball, I could get behind a move like this. 

[WrigleyField 22]

47 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

Probably more speculation than any thing based on any evidence, but I've seen the mention of the Bears targeting Chase Young several times recently. He finally stayed healthy this year, playing in 16 games, he had 7.5 sacks between Washington and SF and while he wouldn't be cheap, he shouldn't require a monster contract and would still be a significant upgrade. With the vast majority of the talent in the 2024 draft coming on the offensive side of the ball, I could get behind a move like this. 

We'll see where the market lands, but I have a suspicion there will be value DEs with less name recognition who will be available at a lower cost and comparable output (still young guys, but just ones without former #2 pick creds/cost)

 

For example, this is the PFF write up for Dirance Armstrong who they estimate at 3/25.5 v 1/15.5 for Young

Armstrong has been the unsung contributor on this loaded Cowboys defensive front, recording pressure rates above 11% in each of the last three seasons and an ability to line up all over the formation. Armstrong has played snaps inside the tackles, as a wide nine-technique primarily on the right side and as a standup player in the box spying on opposing quarterbacks or mugging the A-gap. Armstrong's long arm is a problem for blockers, and he quite literally has extremely long arms at 34.75 inches. He pairs that with good bend around the edge. He can get displaced in the run game but is a great asset getting after the quarterback.

 

 

Sounds way more like a Poles/Flus guy than Young.

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

Yeah, I would probably rather not spend on Young (but I do agree that I would rather go offense with both first round picks).  Aside from the injury concerns, I remember reading something when both Young and Sweat were traded where the reporter said that Washington didn't want to lose Sweat, but that they felt losing Young could be an addition by subtraction.  I think part of it was that he wouldn't always stick to his assignment on a play so that he could try to make a splash play, and he wasn't always committed off the field.  

[Wilson A2000]

Bears interviewing Joe Barry for DC

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

8 minutes ago, Wilson A2000 said:

Bears interviewing Joe Barry for DC

From what I am seeing, it seems that he is interviewing for a position on the staff, but not necessarily the DC position.  I think he is also interviewing with the Eagles as a linebackers coach--so may be similar with the Bears.  Maybe Borgonzi gets the DC title and they need to fill the linebackers coach position.  

Edited January 26, 2024 by PosterToBeNamedLater

[PackLandVA]

1 hour ago, Wilson A2000 said:

Bears interviewing Joe Barry for DC

 

1 hour ago, PosterToBeNamedLater said:

From what I am seeing, it seems that he is interviewing for a position on the staff, but not necessarily the DC position.  I think he is also interviewing with the Eagles as a linebackers coach--so may be similar with the Bears.  Maybe Borgonzi gets the DC title and they need to fill the linebackers coach position.  

 

Joe Barry has been a good positional coach throughout the course of his coaching career.  It's one of the reasons he's had multiple opportunities as a DC.  But he's been a disaster, arguably, as a DC. If the Bears hired him as the DC, it would most likely be in name only as Eberflus would probably retain the playcalling/schemes.