Bears week 3 @ KC, Sunday 3:25 on FOX

[WrigleyField 22]

50 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

 

i also don’t get the desire to watch an hour long breakdown of this teams blunders on YouTube every week. 

It's 90 minutes of blinders, and the answer is mental illness.

[Sammy Sofa]

5 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

It's 90 minutes of blinders, and the answer is mental illness.

But enough about watching Bears games...

[gflore34]

55 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

The concept of this post had me rolling, but also Drake Maye is way better than you think. Dude threw almost as many passes last year (517) as Trubisky did in his entire college career (572)

I don’t know much about Williams other than USC can dere-lick my balls, gimme Maye 

If the Bears are that position, there should definitely be a new GM making the pick and, yeah, if Williams wants turn down the Bears, he can go horsefeathers himself.  Each and everyone of the QB's the Bears have drafted have been flawed, the Bears didn't create those flaws, the only thing that's true is they haven't been able to coach around the flaws.

Edited September 19, 2023 by gflore34

[Irrelevant Dude]

I'm not going to claim to be football smart, but I have watched the first 2 weeks' QB School videos and that is almost as good as staying at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

I came away from Sunday's game thinking that the poor QB performance was mostly on Fields and that he apparently was just never going to be the guy.  Sure there has been bad playcalling and a bad supporting cast, but a true franchise QB should be able to overcome some of that.

After watching that QB School video last night, I think the actual answer may be even worse.  It appears the Bears have taken what started as a guy with a few flaws, haven't fixed those, and have simultaneously made his strengths worse.  O'Sullivan pointing out plays where it looks like Fields has regressed in his ability to simply throw the ball was eye-opening.  That raises the possibility that maybe the underlying problem is less on Fields himself.  Maybe he could have been a good QB if he went somewhere else, but the Bears infrastructure is where QB prospects go to die.  Has the lack of an adequate offensive line and WR targets (up until this season) completely broken or prevented the development of whatever internal clock and/or decision-making process that Fields needs to have in his head?  Could any QB have developed successfully in this situation?

[CubinNY]

3 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

I'm not going to claim to be football smart, but I have watched the first 2 weeks' QB School videos and that is almost as good as staying at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

I came away from Sunday's game thinking that the poor QB performance was mostly on Fields and that he apparently was just never going to be the guy.  Sure there has been bad playcalling and a bad supporting cast, but a true franchise QB should be able to overcome some of that.

After watching that QB School video last night, I think the actual answer may be even worse.  It appears the Bears have taken what started as a guy with a few flaws, haven't fixed those, and have simultaneously made his strengths worse.  O'Sullivan pointing out plays where it looks like Fields has regressed in his ability to simply throw the ball was eye-opening.  That raises the possibility that maybe the underlying problem is less on Fields himself.  Maybe he could have been a good QB if he went somewhere else, but the Bears infrastructure is where QB prospects go to die.  Has the lack of an adequate offensive line and WR targets (up until this season) completely broken or prevented the development of whatever internal clock and/or decision-making process that Fields needs to have in his head?  Could any QB have developed successfully in this situation?

Good diagnosis Dr. Houser. 

[Irrelevant Dude]

11 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I like to think I'm a generational hater, but I've never in my life hated someone the way this guy hates Claypool.

I'm not even sure Claypool is the guy he dislikes most.  You might have to flip a coin between him and Kmet.

[WrigleyField 22]

4 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

I'm not going to claim to be football smart, but I have watched the first 2 weeks' QB School videos and that is almost as good as staying at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

I came away from Sunday's game thinking that the poor QB performance was mostly on Fields and that he apparently was just never going to be the guy.  Sure there has been bad playcalling and a bad supporting cast, but a true franchise QB should be able to overcome some of that.

After watching that QB School video last night, I think the actual answer may be even worse.  It appears the Bears have taken what started as a guy with a few flaws, haven't fixed those, and have simultaneously made his strengths worse.  O'Sullivan pointing out plays where it looks like Fields has regressed in his ability to simply throw the ball was eye-opening.  That raises the possibility that maybe the underlying problem is less on Fields himself.  Maybe he could have been a good QB if he went somewhere else, but the Bears infrastructure is where QB prospects go to die.  Has the lack of an adequate offensive line and WR targets (up until this season) completely broken or prevented the development of whatever internal clock and/or decision-making process that Fields needs to have in his head?  Could any QB have developed successfully in this situation?

Of course, that wasamy people's concerns with the massive tank job Poles did in 2022. Which if he was dead set on tanking, why the hell didn't he capitalize on his asset either before or after?

Oh Justin's supreme athletic ability put him in a tough position to move on? Dang, maybe he would have been worth trying to support, and if he still wasn't progressing after 2023 you'd have already been two years into building your core for the next QB instead of one.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 hour ago, jersey cubs fan said:

I don’t agonize over not having Deshaun Watson

 

i also don’t get the desire to watch an hour long breakdown of this teams blunders on YouTube every week. 

I ended up fast forwarding through a lot of this one. He has a tendency to repeat himself over and over.  It could have easily fit the same analysis into 30 minutes 

[jersey cubs fan]

2 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

 Could any QB have developed successfully in this situation?

Sure, the best of the best would be fine. But guys like Tua, Hurts, Josh Allen etc would have struggled just as much. 
 

poles sabotaged fields from the start with absolutely zero effort to protect him or provide him weapons. Poles second offseason was spent with questions about whether he would spend the minimum. THE MINIMUM. People applauded this because sports fans are morons that cheer for frugality over success. The only time they care about effort is from a player. If an owner or GM doesn’t sign a guy, fans see that as a positive. 
 

I think fields is probably not salvageable given the start to his career. If he got traded to a team like the Jets with a stout defense, that would basically require the bare minimum from the QB position to contend, he might rebound. But he probably won’t get another chance with a good team and it’ll be tough to develop all over again with a bad team.  

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I said it before we drafted fields: I want a situation so absurdly good for a QB that haters debate whether our QB is even good or not.

[gflore34]

The possibility of over coaching was mentioned in the film breakdown.  Is it possible we're seeing a little of trying too hard only making it worse?  Thinking too much, Fields was criticized for bad footwork and nearly every drop back it appears he's thinking about it, perhaps, that's why the drop backs are so slow and methodical.  He's trying to get everything perfect on every play.

[Brian707]

2 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

 

 

i also don’t get the desire to watch an hour long breakdown of this teams blunders on YouTube every week. 

I won't name names,  but to some it is porn

[jersey cubs fan]

13 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

I won't name names,  but to some it is porn

Who needs an hour of either? 

[Brian707]

4 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Who needs an hour of either? 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

26 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

The possibility of over coaching was mentioned in the film breakdown.  Is it possible we're seeing a little of trying too hard only making it worse?  Thinking too much, Fields was criticized for bad footwork and nearly every drop back it appears he's thinking about it, perhaps, that's why the drop backs are so slow and methodical.  He's trying to get everything perfect on every play.

Yeah, but I don't see how it could have been avoided. You can't just not try to teach him how to be an NFL QB.

 

He's like a golfer with too many swing thoughts 

[CubinNY]

9 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Who needs an hour of either? 

I like the story!!!

[BigbadB]

1 hour ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

I'm not even sure Claypool is the guy he dislikes most.  You might have to flip a coin between him and Kmet.

Nope. It's definitely Kmet. 

[gflore34]

6 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Yeah, but I don't see how it could have been avoided. You can't just not try to teach him how to be an NFL QB.

 

He's like a golfer with too many swing thoughts 

It's like trying to teach him to throw left handed, if Getsy and the Bears would accept he's not a pure pocket passer and work to his strengths, things will improve.  Over correcting by running the ball 30+ times and passing less than 20 times vs. KC is not the answer.  Even in the disaster that's been these two games, there have been times were Fields has executed from the pocket maybe, because it's less reads.  On those occasions he's been decisive and ripped it, whatever that is, has to mixed with RPO's, designed runs, maybe, even a screen here and there.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

57 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Sure, the best of the best would be fine. But guys like Tua, Hurts, Josh Allen etc would have struggled just as much. 
 

poles sabotaged fields from the start with absolutely zero effort to protect him or provide him weapons. Poles second offseason was spent with questions about whether he would spend the minimum. THE MINIMUM. People applauded this because sports fans are morons that cheer for frugality over success. The only time they care about effort is from a player. If an owner or GM doesn’t sign a guy, fans see that as a positive. 
 

I think fields is probably not salvageable given the start to his career. If he got traded to a team like the Jets with a stout defense, that would basically require the bare minimum from the QB position to contend, he might rebound. But he probably won’t get another chance with a good team and it’ll be tough to develop all over again with a bad team.  

An entire generation of sports fans have had their brains poisoned by rebuilding obsession..

I think it comes from our cultural legacy of Puritan morality and our brains' desire for narrative.  It only makes sense that you have to suffer and go through the full 12-step hero's journey before you can succeed.

[Tryptamine]

10 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

It's like trying to teach him to throw left handed, if Getsy and the Bears would accept he's not a pure pocket passer and work to his strengths, things will improve.  Over correcting by running the ball 30+ times and passing less than 20 times vs. KC is not the answer.  Even in the disaster that's been these two games, there have been times were Fields has executed from the pocket maybe, because it's less reads.  On those occasions he's been decisive and ripped it, whatever that is, has to mixed with RPO's, designed runs, maybe, even a screen here and there.

This is the part that baffles me. You have a QB who ran for over 1000 yards last year and while most wanted him to tone it down a bit, no one was asking for him to completely stop running. Against Tampa he had 4 rushes for 3 yards, which just doesn't make any sense. They're actively not utilizing his 2 strongest aspects as a quarterback, his legs and his deep ball. 

[CubinNY]

4 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

An entire generation of sports fans have had their brains poisoned by rebuilding obsession..

I think it comes from our cultural legacy of Puritan morality and our brains' desire for narrative.  It only makes sense that you have to suffer and go through the full 12-step hero's journey before you can succeed.

Life is suffering (The Boddha). The sooner we come to terms with that, the better off we all are. 

Edited September 19, 2023 by CubinNY

[CubinNY]

2 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

 They're actively not utilizing his 2 strongest aspects as a quarterback, his legs and his deep ball. 

I think they may be trying to get there, but they can't get out of 1st gear. They have no imagination when it comes to devising an offense built around what he can do well. 

[gflore34]

1 minute ago, Tryptamine said:

This is the part that baffles me. You have a QB who ran for over 1000 yards last year and while most wanted him to tone it down a bit, no one was asking for him to completely stop running. Against Tampa he had 4 rushes for 3 yards, which just doesn't make any sense. They're actively not utilizing his 2 strongest aspects as a quarterback, his legs and his deep ball. 

Perhaps, it's a the response to Fields can't pass, he's just a glorified RB etc., these are all prideful guys who want show the critics up.  Granted, there's also a good amount of fucked up-ness and dysfunction but, the heart of it may be their desire to give the bird to the critics.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I understand the "well this isn't working so you have to try something different" but running a few more QB designed runs per game isn't going to solve anything.  He got 10 runs per game last year and 7 per game this year.

If I'm an NFL team and you try to run Justin fields at me, I laugh and say go for it. He might break one that goes on the highlight reels forever, but he is just as likely to put the ball on the ground and he can't sustain it.

 

[gflore34]

1 minute ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I understand the "well this isn't working so you have to try something different" but running a few more QB designed runs per game isn't going to solve anything.  He got 10 runs per game last year and 7 per game this year.

If I'm an NFL team and you try to run Justin fields at me, I laugh and say go for it. He might break one that goes on the highlight reels forever, but he is just as likely to put the ball on the ground and he can't sustain it.

 

I don't believe that's the answer either however, thus far, there have been times where it would have been truly effective.  Take that ill fated screen that sealed the loss vs. Tampon Bay, they just ran a screen on the previous two plays, if Fields drops back, just like he did, appearing to set up the screen, fakes the throw and goes to his left he's got at least five yards.  You had them sold on the screen, maybe, this is where the lack of creativity is showing up.