General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

[Aaron_Kennelly]

Howard's is the worst for sure, but Pujols is a contender.

 

10 years $240m and he's been worth 8.9 WAR so far and that number will drop before the contract is over.

 

Oh yeah. This is going to take Howard off the hook.

 

I don't think that Pujols will get to negative WAR for the entirety of the deal but there's a non zero chance it happens. Josh Hamilton's 5/$123m and 3.1 WAR look like a classic moneyball deal compared to Howard and Pujols. Arte Moreno is the best.

 

For expected WAR to actual WAR, it will probably blow Howard out of the water. The last five years will basically be on par with Howard's. And tack on another five years at the start that he severely underperformed.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

Plus, just the sheer number of years puts it over the top, in my opinion. The Howard deal was hilarious because everyone knew it was horrible when he signed the extension two years before he was a FA. And the Phillies had to regret it even before it started. But those five years flew by in comparison. Pujols' deal is hindering the Angels for a full decade. And it's ruining that team during the prime of possibly the greatest player ever. Absolutely atrocious.

[Clem Fandango]

I genuinely thought that Pujols was going to clobber the HR record before the end of that contract. At the very least I would've expected 10+ WAR over the first three years. He just dropped off with the swiftness.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Pujols ditched his plate discipline in his last Cardinals seasons and the Machine was gone. That dude used to only swing at strikes. In his first 8 seasons his oswing eclipsed 22 twice. Then it crept up to 26 and after that, 30+ every year. He never really lost his ability to make contact but now he was putting a bunch of shitty pitches in play.

 

So glad we dodged that bullet.

[Agony and Ivy]

Just read on MLBTR that the DBacks are in on JD Martinez. I think that would be an especially nice get for them, but their farm system is basically garbage, so any other team with the need for JDM and a halfway respectable farm should blow the DBacks out of the water.

[imb]

Pujols ditched his plate discipline in his last Cardinals seasons and the Machine was gone. That dude used to only swing at strikes. In his first 8 seasons his oswing eclipsed 22 twice. Then it crept up to 26 and after that, 30+ every year. He never really lost his ability to make contact but now he was putting a bunch of horsefeathers pitches in play.

 

So glad we dodged that bullet.

 

god the debate was Prince or Albert. What a disaster that could have been.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Pujols ditched his plate discipline in his last Cardinals seasons and the Machine was gone. That dude used to only swing at strikes. In his first 8 seasons his oswing eclipsed 22 twice. Then it crept up to 26 and after that, 30+ every year. He never really lost his ability to make contact but now he was putting a bunch of horsefeathers pitches in play.

 

So glad we dodged that bullet.

 

god the debate was Prince or Albert. What a disaster that could have been.

we could have moved pujols to 3b and had both. this site would have died by 2015

[Agony and Ivy]

Coincidentally Szymborski just tweeted out ZiPS for the rest of Pujols' career. It's not great.

[bukie]

It's July 16, and the Giants have not won a single game this year started by Madison Bumgarner.

[Banedon]

It's July 16, and the Giants have not won a single game this year started by Madison Bumgarner.

 

He's only made 5 starts though.

[UMFan83]

Jeez, just noticed the Dodgers are 28-4 since June 7. They are scary good which will make their inevitable playoff collapse more funny.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Jeez, just noticed the Dodgers are 28-4 since June 7. They are scary good which will make their inevitable playoff collapse more funny.

 

I'm amused at all the folks who talk about a Dodgers-Astros World Series as though the two best teams make the Series with any regularity.

[UMFan83]

It's July 16, and the Giants have not won a single game this year started by Madison Bumgarner.

 

Yeah but neither have the Cubs

[Andy]

It's July 16, and the Giants have not won a single game this year started by Madison Bumgarner.

 

Yeah but neither have the Cubs

Funnily enough, the SI I received the day we got Quintana suggested we trade for Bumgarner.

[weis21]

Jeez, just noticed the Dodgers are 28-4 since June 7. They are scary good which will make their inevitable playoff collapse more funny.

 

I'm amused at all the folks who talk about a Dodgers-Astros World Series as though the two best teams make the Series with any regularity.

some idiot baseball writer being interviewed on the sports radio i was listening to (yes, yes, i know...i'm listening to sports radio so what should I expect) was saying it's the "closest thing for a cake walk" for a team making the WS he's seen in years.

 

Oh, well maybe the cubs should start a fire sale then?

[Rob]

Pujols ditched his plate discipline in his last Cardinals seasons and the Machine was gone. That dude used to only swing at strikes. In his first 8 seasons his oswing eclipsed 22 twice. Then it crept up to 26 and after that, 30+ every year. He never really lost his ability to make contact but now he was putting a bunch of horsefeathers pitches in play.

 

So glad we dodged that bullet.

 

god the debate was Prince or Albert. What a disaster that could have been.

 

There were also the people who wanted to sign Adam Dunn the year before to avoid the Pujols/Fielder sweepstakes. He was worth -0.2 fWAR over four seasons while being paid just $56M.

 

Compared to the other two, he's looking like a hell of a bargain.

[Clem Fandango]

So Charlie Blackmon hit his 2nd inside the park home run of the season today. On the highlight clip on mlb.com that showed both of them, it didn't provide context for the one today and it looked like Granderson just dogged it out there. Slow trot to the ball, casual throw in, etc. After the team in the booth looked at it... well, just watch. Pretty weird.

 

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/10025018/v1612900683/colnym-blackmon-rips-tworun-insidethepark-hr

[We Got The Whole 9]

Yep the super rare double homer, or something. Not even sure how to call it.

[imb]

The ball hit over the orange line, so maybe he just assumed it was a natural homer

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The ball hit over the orange line, so maybe he just assumed it was a natural homer

 

Yeah, I think the correct call should've been a HR, but for some reason they didn't see it. No excuse for Granderson not noticing that Blackmon was booking it around the bases and giving at least 10% effort, but Blackmon didn't *need* to book it around the bases.

[Cubswin11]

Correa out 6-8 weeks with a torn ligament in his thumb

[soccer10k]

Kershaw has made 5 starts since that 4 HR game against the Mets:

 

36 IP, 0.50 ERA, 51 K, 6 BB, .428 OPS

[Cubswin11]

Amazing

 

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[davell]

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There's dumb.....Then, there's this.

[David]

i keep reading that as "i've been beaten by pujols more than i've beaten my trout"