What's your wish list for the trade deadline?

[SRQCub]

There are rumors out there that Baltimore may become a seller, and they have a couple of names that would be interesting. Chris Davis would be a guy I'd love to have. And with their treatment abuse of Gausman, I wonder what a package for those two might look like?

 

I'm assuming you'd put Davis in LF? The difference between Coghlan and Davis is negligible to this point.

 

The thought was 3B, but after looking at his UZR/150, nevermind.

[muntjack]

I think Justin Upton is possibly due for a big 2nd half. He is hitting RHP better than ever this season and has strangely struggled in a small sample against LHP. Likely to normalize, I believe.

[Backtobanks]

What was BJ Upton worth the year he became a free agent? I actually don't know, but I bet all his WAR was awesome the previous years too. Maybe not.

 

Yeah, the difference here is that Carlos Gomez is still really good. Even if you go all the way back to 2007 when Gomez was a slap hitting leadoff guy, he's still the 9th most valuable CF'er in baseball during that span. That's over the last 8 years through today. 9th. And he's only been elite level for the last two seasons.

 

But let's just go back to 2012 when he had his breakout year and started hitting for power in the 2nd half of that year which carried over into his 7.5 win 2013...

 

http://i.imgur.com/8PZKunZ.png

 

3rd best CF'er in baseball. The two above him are perennial MVP candidates and two of the greatest players of this generation. So if you wanna take franchise cornerstones and probable future HOF'ers out of the equation, Gomez has been the best CF'er among the rest of the league since 2012 up until today.

 

So yeah, Carlos Gomez is good. Really [expletive] good. Guys like him (elite CF'ers that aren't rentals) usually don't become available outside of free agency. If Gomez is available, you get him and you extend him immediately.

 

This is going to be such a bad reply that people won't respect............but just watch him for a good amount of time. Just watch. He's not as good as you think he is, and the past accomplishments don't mean anything moving forward.

 

I remember in September of Pujols' free agent year remarking here on how after watching him, he just didn't look the same. And of course, nobody agreed. Why would they? The black and white numbers all showed he was the man.

 

I'm not sure how many Brewers games you can or would even want to watch. But unfortunately, I have to. And Carlos Gomez is not that good. When I say not THAT good, it doesn't mean he's not good. It just means I think the praise he is receiving here is too high.

 

Feel free to bump this in the future. I have no problem being wrong. But I don't think I will be.

 

Also, one other note.....when you said that the difference is that Carlos Gomez is still really good, wasn't Upton still really good at one time? Meaning, that November when he was a free agent, wouldn't people have been able to post his WAR when anybody questioned wanting Upton for the contract he was going to get?

 

ETA: I'd take Lo Cain over Gomez right now all day.

 

Only problem is Cain isn't available and rumors say Gomez is.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

What was BJ Upton worth the year he became a free agent? I actually don't know, but I bet all his WAR was awesome the previous years too. Maybe not.

 

Yeah, the difference here is that Carlos Gomez is still really good. Even if you go all the way back to 2007 when Gomez was a slap hitting leadoff guy, he's still the 9th most valuable CF'er in baseball during that span. That's over the last 8 years through today. 9th. And he's only been elite level for the last two seasons.

 

But let's just go back to 2012 when he had his breakout year and started hitting for power in the 2nd half of that year which carried over into his 7.5 win 2013...

 

http://i.imgur.com/8PZKunZ.png

 

3rd best CF'er in baseball. The two above him are perennial MVP candidates and two of the greatest players of this generation. So if you wanna take franchise cornerstones and probable future HOF'ers out of the equation, Gomez has been the best CF'er among the rest of the league since 2012 up until today.

 

So yeah, Carlos Gomez is good. Really [expletive] good. Guys like him (elite CF'ers that aren't rentals) usually don't become available outside of free agency. If Gomez is available, you get him and you extend him immediately.

 

This is going to be such a bad reply that people won't respect............but just watch him for a good amount of time. Just watch. He's not as good as you think he is, and the past accomplishments don't mean anything moving forward.

 

I remember in September of Pujols' free agent year remarking here on how after watching him, he just didn't look the same. And of course, nobody agreed. Why would they? The black and white numbers all showed he was the man.

 

I'm not sure how many Brewers games you can or would even want to watch. But unfortunately, I have to. And Carlos Gomez is not that good. When I say not THAT good, it doesn't mean he's not good. It just means I think the praise he is receiving here is too high.

 

Feel free to bump this in the future. I have no problem being wrong. But I don't think I will be.

 

Also, one other note.....when you said that the difference is that Carlos Gomez is still really good, wasn't Upton still really good at one time? Meaning, that November when he was a free agent, wouldn't people have been able to post his WAR when anybody questioned wanting Upton for the contract he was going to get?

 

ETA: I'd take Lo Cain over Gomez right now all day.

 

Only problem is Cain isn't available and rumors say Gomez is.

 

Was just responding to the comment that Gomez is the third best CF in baseball behind Trout and Cutch.

[Backtobanks]

This Hamels guy looked pretty good today. I wonder if he's available. LOL

[ctcf]

Honestly I think the worst part of this no hitter for me is having to read so many doofuses (including the front page of ESPN) say something along the lines of "oh man Hamels price just went up!"

 

No it didn't. Stop being an idiot.

[davell]

With Tuesday's probable likely being Beeler, it kind of gives an incentive to get something done today or tomorrow.

 

Some of Tuesday's probables around MLB.....

 

Teheran

Shark

Price

CJ Wilson(rumored as a trade chip)

Shields

Iwakuma

Leake

Gray(dare to dream)

 

With Tyson Ross on regular rest as well.

[Andy]

Definitely need to move by Tuesday, and I suspect the FO knows it, which is why they listed Tuesday as TBD

[Rob]

Def wouldn't be surprised if Leake was a Cub for Tuesday. Hopefully it would just be a precursor, the Hammel to a bigger trade's Samardzija.

 

That would be a huge waste.

 

We have four perfectly acceptable starters in Lester, Arrieta, Hammel, and Hendricks. If you want to add an ace to push Hendricks to the #5 slot and out of the playoff rotation, that's fine.

 

But acquiring two starters would mean that you're using Leake to force Hendricks to the bench. There's no real gain there, except for depth in case of an injury. And since we're just talking about a 5th starter in your scenario, you could probably get a 5th starter a lot cheaper than Mike Leake in terms of prospects after the non-waiver deadline. It doesn't really matter when you acquire them, since you wont have them on the playoff roster anyways.

[Guest]

Yeah the only way adding two SP makes sense is if one of them is a young guy with options like a Gausman, in which case Leake is the bigger of the two 'names' anyway.

[davell]

Gyorko and Benoit for Castro? The money is fairly close honestly. Who says no?

[rawaction]

Gyorko and Benoit for Castro? The money is fairly close honestly. Who says no?

 

Cubs probably. I'd make the deal though.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Castro, Gleyber Torres, Carl Edwards, Paul Blackburn, Billy McKinney for Hamels

this is WSR-levels bad

 

I wouldn't have Castro and Gleyber. And I'd probably ask them to throw in something stupid like Dom Brown, just for shits and giggles.

[CUBZ99]

Honestly I think the worst part of this no hitter for me is having to read so many doofuses (including the front page of ESPN) say something along the lines of "oh man Hamels price just went up!"

 

No it didn't. Stop being an idiot.

 

 

 

I guess we will never know what the offers were before the game, but the no hitter definitely didn't hurt the return for Hamels.

[Clem Fandango]

The Padres are “pushing hard” to trade big-name stars, executives from other teams tell Jon Heyman of CBS Sports. Obviously, Justin Upton, Will Venable and Ian Kennedy are clear trade candidates, since those players are due to become free agents after the season. But James Shields, Andrew Cashner and Craig Kimbrel, who all are controlled beyond 2015, have also come up very frequently in talks, according to Heyman. Other possibilities include Tyson Ross, who’s due for free agency after 2017, and Joaquin Benoit, whose contract contains a club option for 2015.

 

Kimbrel would be a wonderful acquisition. I still like the idea of getting Upton, too, but that probably won't happen. Kimbrel seems like a plausible target, though.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The Padres are “pushing hard” to trade big-name stars, executives from other teams tell Jon Heyman of CBS Sports. Obviously, Justin Upton, Will Venable and Ian Kennedy are clear trade candidates, since those players are due to become free agents after the season. But James Shields, Andrew Cashner and Craig Kimbrel, who all are controlled beyond 2015, have also come up very frequently in talks, according to Heyman. Other possibilities include Tyson Ross, who’s due for free agency after 2017, and Joaquin Benoit, whose contract contains a club option for 2015.

 

Kimbrel would be a wonderful acquisition. I still like the idea of getting Upton, too, but that probably won't happen. Kimbrel seems like a plausible target, though.

 

I still like the idea of Kemp. He's owed 87,000,000 over the next 4 years, but the Dodgers are paying 14,000,000. I'd be willing to take on about 50,000,000 of the remaining 73,000,000 if the Padres would take a lesser prospect package:

 

We Get:

Kemp

Kennedy

Maybe Casey Kelly: somehow, he's only 25, so why not.

 

They Get:

-Villanuva or Mendy

-Edwards

-Some combination of Rule 5 eligibles (2-3 of Candelario, Paniagua, Torrez, Pineyro, Martinez, Jensen, Francescan, Bruno, Jeff Baez)

Salary Relief

Maybe Olt if they want.

[Cubswin11]

I wonder how much we'd have to give up if we agreed to take Shields and the shitty Upton's contract? Shields, J. Upton, and M. Upton for Mckinney, Edwards/Underwood/PJ, and a fringy prospect or 2 like Jeimer, Szczur, Lake, etc.?

[davell]

If you want Shields, you'll be able to get him free in August by claiming him.(no one will)

[Cubswin11]

Kimbrel drops off for me thanks to his contract. With Chapman hitting FA in 2017, I have zero urge to take on a significant long term closer contract that isn't his. His contract is big money for a reliever and runs a little too long for being not Chapman. Shields had his shot, no interest there either. If you're going to take on a significant SP contract, it's Hamels all the way.

 

Would definitely be into renting Upton.

The main reason I have interest in Shields would be if taking him (and a good chunk of his contract) would help drive the price down on J. Upton. Shields is having a weird year tho, his stuff from a velo stand point seems to be fine and he's striking out more guys than he ever has. But his walk rate and HR rate (by a ton) are at career highs even though his GB% is right in line with his career norms. So I'm guessing it's some bad luck with the HR along with him being a little more wild than usual.

[Guest]

Kimbrel drops off for me thanks to his contract. With Chapman hitting FA in 2017, I have zero urge to take on a significant long term closer contract that isn't his. His contract is big money for a reliever and runs a little too long for being not Chapman. Shields had his shot, no interest there either. If you're going to take on a significant SP contract, it's Hamels all the way.

 

Would definitely be into renting Upton.

Over the past several years, Kimbrel is arguably better than Chapman.

[Clem Fandango]

Kimbrel drops off for me thanks to his contract. With Chapman hitting FA in 2017, I have zero urge to take on a significant long term closer contract that isn't his. His contract is big money for a reliever and runs a little too long for being not Chapman. Shields had his shot, no interest there either. If you're going to take on a significant SP contract, it's Hamels all the way.

 

Would definitely be into renting Upton.

Over the past several years, Kimbrel is arguably better than Chapman.

 

I'd say it's not even arguable, he has been better by at least 2-3 wins by both measures of WAR, and will likely live up to his end of his contract. That's not to say Chapman is chop liver compared to Kimbrel, they are probably the #1 and #2 best closers in the game. There really isn't a wrong choice when choosing between the two, IMO. Kimbrel can be controlled through 2018, though.

[Clem Fandango]

Over the past several years, Kimbrel is arguably better than Chapman.

 

Eh, even if you saw them as equals before this one Chapman has passed him this year. Throw in just how extremely, extremely rare Chapman actually is - a LHP with record velocity and no injury history - and I don't see it as a contest.

 

MLBTR threw out a list of relievers that might be available. I'd have serious interest in Jake McGee, but if Chapman is actually available - want as much as Hamels. Big trades! Need to pull some heists off before people realize the farm system was riding the coattails of a couple talents.

 

Chapman or Kimbrel, either would be a perfect fit. But I feel like we'd need to give up bigger names to get Chapman because of the fact that he's in our division and because of what you said, the rare lefty who can hit triple digits. He has the wow factor and name recognition. The results for Kimbrel this year have been below his norm, but he's still excellent, and he'd likely cost less to acquire, giving the Cubs more bait to use for a bigger fish like Hamels or Price or whomever if they were to choose to go that route, IMO.

[Clem Fandango]

I still like the idea of Kemp.

 

You shouldn't.

[ctcf]

This actually makes me kinda sad

 

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That's so embarrassing.

[jersey cubs fan]

There goes any thought on Kimbrel being cheaper in prospects, Turner is excellent.

 

a report that they asked for a really good prospect doesn't eliminate the possibility the guy may be cheaper than somebody else.