2015 Other Gam(e)s Thread

[Banedon]

But you said you'd never heard one person call the greatest game ever pitched.

 

Now it's in the team picture?

[seanimal]

I don't mean the 20K throne, I mean the generally accepted fact that Wood's game was the best pitched game ever.

 

I've never heard one person say that was the best pitched game ever.

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/24585/kerry-wood-and-the-greatest-game-pitched

 

http://cityonthetake.com/the-kerry-wood-20-strikeouts-game-is-greatest-pitched-game-ever/

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_score

 

The highest game score for a nine-inning game in the history of baseball was Kerry Wood's one-hit, no walk, 20-strikeout shutout performance for the Chicago Cubs against the Houston Astros on May 6, 1998. His game score was 105 (50 + 27 + 10 + 20 – 2).

 

Now you have.

 

One of the greatest pitching performances of all time?

Yes. It was awesome.

 

It's in the team picture, but Don Larsen, Roger Clemens, Bob Gibson, Nolan Ryan & Sandy Koufax among others all have games that could be called "one of the greatest".

For me, if you pitch a perfect game in the World Series, that's pretty damn hard to beat.

 

I think this is a case where statistics, era and opinion can be used to make the argument for several games.

there have been 27 perfect games, 287 no-hitters, and exactly 4 instances where a single pitcher has struck out 20 hitters in 9 innings pitched. of those, kerry wood's is the most remarkable of them all. all of those pitchers have great moments, none of them pitched as good a game as kerry wood on 5/6/1998

[Guest]

Best part is that was a pretty good lineup and high offense era

[ManEatingTarp]

Like I said, it has a lot to do with your opinion, and in this case how you value the K.

It was a dominating and historic performance.

 

I'll say this is the most impressive:

 

[bukie]

There is no possible way that you are going to convince anyone here any differently. You were objectively wrong about something that nearly every Cub fan feels very strongly about, and there's empirical evidence to support it. Hand waving the thought away with the trite excuse of "if you like strikeouts" smacks of desperate ignorance.

[jersey cubs fan]

bfib don't overvalue the k

[ConstableRabbit]

To a Cards fan, "three true outcomes" = Father, Son, Darren Wilson

[ManEatingTarp]

Obviously a touchy subject.

 

I thought there was some room for debate and conversation about it. I never said it wasn't a great performance. I just said I had never heard anyone say it was the unquestioned best game of all time.

 

I remember a time on this board where you could have a conversation about baseball and the opinions you had about players and the game. Sorry to see that time has passed.

[ConstableRabbit]

Obviously a touchy subject.

 

I thought there was some room for debate and conversation about it. I never said it wasn't a great performance. I just said I had never heard anyone say it was the unquestioned best game of all time.

 

I remember a time on this board where you could have a conversation about baseball and the opinions you had about players and the game. Sorry to see that time has passed.

You didn't say you had never heard anyone say it was the unquestioned best game ever. You said you had never heard it called the best game ever. And many have called it that.

[ConstableRabbit]

One could argue that Larson's Perfect Game was the best single game outcome of all-time. But when you allow the other team to put 20 balls in play, it becomes more of a team effort.

[bukie]

One could argue that Larson's Perfect Game was the best single game outcome of all-time. But when you allow the other team to put 20 balls in play, it becomes more of a team effort.

 

And that is exactly why Bill James devised the game score metric for pitchers. Which is exactly what the original point was that was wrongly contested.It's not a touchy subject it's a non starter argument. It's like trying to argue that while 5 is objectively larger than 4 ,4 has a certain art to it that can't be quantified so we should consider both options on different levels of quantity.

[Sammy Sofa]

Every time I watch that Dock Ellis cartoon I wish so damn bad we could see the actual game.

[ManEatingTarp]

One could argue that Larson's Perfect Game was the best single game outcome of all-time. But when you allow the other team to put 20 balls in play, it becomes more of a team effort.

 

And that is exactly why Bill James devised the game score metric for pitchers. Which is exactly what the original point was that was wrongly contested.It's not a touchy subject it's a non starter argument. It's like trying to argue that while 5 is objectively larger than 4 ,4 has a certain art to it that can't be quantified so we should consider both options on different levels of quantity.

 

This is the crossroads of statistical analysis and the intangible. Is a regular season game that is statistically superior to a World Series game weighted differently? Bill Jmes would say no because it's in a vacuum. I don't agree.

I understand the concept that the strikeout is more highly valued because the pitcher retains control of the situation instead of relying on his defense. I would still say that a 27 pitch game is more impressive than a 27 K game.

 

I think it's an interesting conversation. 97 pitch perfect game in a World Series vs a 20 K statistically superior game.

 

If Kerry Wood had pitched a perfect game in a World Series I think the debate would be more heated here.

[Guest]

A 27 pitch game is more impressive pitching than a 27K game? What the [expletive] [expletive]?

[SouthSideRyan]

To a Cards fan, "three true outcomes" = Father, Son, Darren Wilson

 

Jack, Jim, and Johnnie led to one true outcome for Oscar Taveras.

[Guest]

Would you say that even if every pitch was a strike?

[SouthSideRyan]

Would you say that even if every pitch was a strike?

 

Steve Nebraska can't compare to a guy who gives up 27 400 ft flyouts on 0-0.

[bukie]

One could argue that Larson's Perfect Game was the best single game outcome of all-time. But when you allow the other team to put 20 balls in play, it becomes more of a team effort.

 

And that is exactly why Bill James devised the game score metric for pitchers. Which is exactly what the original point was that was wrongly contested.It's not a touchy subject it's a non starter argument. It's like trying to argue that while 5 is objectively larger than 4 ,4 has a certain art to it that can't be quantified so we should consider both options on different levels of quantity.

 

This is the crossroads of statistical analysis and the intangible. Is a regular season game that is statistically superior to a World Series game weighted differently? Bill Jmes would say no because it's in a vacuum. I don't agree.

I understand the concept that the strikeout is more highly valued because the pitcher retains control of the situation instead of relying on his defense. I would still say that a 27 pitch game is more impressive than a 27 K game.

 

I think it's an interesting conversation. 97 pitch perfect game in a World Series vs a 20 K statistically superior game.

 

If Kerry Wood had pitched a perfect game in a World Series I think the debate would be more heated here.

You are still missing the point by a mile. And don't get statistical analysis at all.

[Vanilla Ice]

To a Cards fan, "three true outcomes" = Father, Son, Darren Wilson

 

Jack, Jim, and Johnnie led to one true outcome for Oscar Taveras.

holy [expletive] awesome

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

There is so much good stuff in this thread.

[sontensei]

looks like cards may lose to the tigers tonight!

[Guest]

i guess this is how the A's lose

[CyHawk_Cub]

Miggy Cabrera w/ HR #400 in the top of the 1st vs. StL; Detroit up 1-0

[fallacy]

If the game is called, does his homerun count? I assume it doesn't

[Andy]

If the game is called, does his homerun count? I assume it doesn't

If before it's an official game then yes it would be wiped out.