College Basketball 2013-2014

[illiniguy]

Lol, Charles Matthews is going to "shock the world." his words tomorrow. Someone needs to explain to the Chicago kids what shock means. It isn't shocking for the Chicago kid to pick the blue blood. Just ask Cliff Alexander, Jahlil Oakfor, Anthony Davis, Sherron Collins, Julian Wright, and Shaun Livingston.

He's going to Southern Utah.

He's going to be playing over Tyler Ullis.

[sneakypower]

Lol, Charles Matthews is going to "shock the world." his words tomorrow. Someone needs to explain to the Chicago kids what shock means. It isn't shocking for the Chicago kid to pick the blue blood. Just ask Cliff Alexander, Jahlil Oakfor, Anthony Davis, Sherron Collins, Julian Wright, and Shaun Livingston.

i was listening to a podcast or maybe just the radio? a little while ago and they were basically saying MSU's messed up their next few seasons fooling around with Chicago (J Parker, C Alexander), saying area kids just want to get paid, either directly (UK) or indirectly (KU, Duke?) and UM has been better served abandoning that avenue altogether since dabbling with Patrick Beverley forever ago

[snoodmonger]

Lol, Charles Matthews is going to "shock the world." his words tomorrow. Someone needs to explain to the Chicago kids what shock means. It isn't shocking for the Chicago kid to pick the blue blood. Just ask Cliff Alexander, Jahlil Oakfor, Anthony Davis, Sherron Collins, Julian Wright, and Shaun Livingston.

i was listening to a podcast or maybe just the radio? a little while ago and they were basically saying MSU's messed up their next few seasons fooling around with Chicago (J Parker, C Alexander), saying area kids just want to get paid, either directly (UK) or indirectly (KU, Duke?) and UM has been better served abandoning that avenue altogether since dabbling with Patrick Beverley forever ago

 

lol, that's such sour grapes. Every fan base does it when they don't get the kids they want. Oddly enough, no one ever can produce any actual evidence.

 

And the idea that any school is "directly" paying anyone is lunacy. I don't deny that there's all sorts of dirty stuff happening everywhere, in every program. But no program is dumb enough to "directly" pay a player. UK has to pay kids least of all. Nothing's cooler than going to Kentucky. And ever since LeBron and co banded together in Miami, forming dream teams is pretty popular too.

[CubColtPacer]

I was listening to Anthony Davis on a podcast a couple of weeks back, and he mentioned that the top four Chicago kids that year had talked about all going to DePaul together, and then one backed out and the plan fell apart. Not sure if that's common knowledge or not, but I found that pretty interesting.

[illiniguy]

I was listening to Anthony Davis on a podcast a couple of weeks back, and he mentioned that the top four Chicago kids that year had talked about all going to DePaul together, and then one backed out and the plan fell apart. Not sure if that's common knowledge or not, but I found that pretty interesting.

Well I doubt that is true, unless he meant the kids besides him. He wasn't a top tier kid for more than a month and he was committed to UK.

[illiniguy]

Lol, Charles Matthews is going to "shock the world." his words tomorrow. Someone needs to explain to the Chicago kids what shock means. It isn't shocking for the Chicago kid to pick the blue blood. Just ask Cliff Alexander, Jahlil Oakfor, Anthony Davis, Sherron Collins, Julian Wright, and Shaun Livingston.

i was listening to a podcast or maybe just the radio? a little while ago and they were basically saying MSU's messed up their next few seasons fooling around with Chicago (J Parker, C Alexander), saying area kids just want to get paid, either directly (UK) or indirectly (KU, Duke?) and UM has been better served abandoning that avenue altogether since dabbling with Patrick Beverley forever ago

 

lol, that's such sour grapes. Every fan base does it when they don't get the kids they want. Oddly enough, no one ever can produce any actual evidence.

 

And the idea that any school is "directly" paying anyone is lunacy. I don't deny that there's all sorts of dirty stuff happening everywhere, in every program. But no program is dumb enough to "directly" pay a player. UK has to pay kids least of all. Nothing's cooler than going to Kentucky. And ever since LeBron and co banded together in Miami, forming dream teams is pretty popular too.

Yet, Self is right with UK on the recruiting trail since Jerrance and his uncle Wes got into the fold. This after everyone in the KC area was starting to wonder about Self's recruiting a few years back. I think it's clear that if you are in good with WWW you are going to recruit like gang busters.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Lol, Charles Matthews is going to "shock the world." his words tomorrow. Someone needs to explain to the Chicago kids what shock means. It isn't shocking for the Chicago kid to pick the blue blood. Just ask Cliff Alexander, Jahlil Oakfor, Anthony Davis, Sherron Collins, Julian Wright, and Shaun Livingston.

i was listening to a podcast or maybe just the radio? a little while ago and they were basically saying MSU's messed up their next few seasons fooling around with Chicago (J Parker, C Alexander), saying area kids just want to get paid, either directly (UK) or indirectly (KU, Duke?) and UM has been better served abandoning that avenue altogether since dabbling with Patrick Beverley forever ago

 

lol, that's such sour grapes. Every fan base does it when they don't get the kids they want. Oddly enough, no one ever can produce any actual evidence.

 

And the idea that any school is "directly" paying anyone is lunacy. I don't deny that there's all sorts of dirty stuff happening everywhere, in every program. But no program is dumb enough to "directly" pay a player. UK has to pay kids least of all. Nothing's cooler than going to Kentucky. And ever since LeBron and co banded together in Miami, forming dream teams is pretty popular too.

Yet, Self is right with UK on the recruiting trail since Jerrance and his uncle Wes got into the fold. This after everyone in the KC area was starting to wonder about Self's recruiting a few years back. I think it's clear that if you are in good with WWW you are going to recruit like gang busters.

 

Whole lot of good that did Illinois.

[pitchcs]

Lol, Charles Matthews is going to "shock the world." his words tomorrow. Someone needs to explain to the Chicago kids what shock means. It isn't shocking for the Chicago kid to pick the blue blood. Just ask Cliff Alexander, Jahlil Oakfor, Anthony Davis, Sherron Collins, Julian Wright, and Shaun Livingston.

i was listening to a podcast or maybe just the radio? a little while ago and they were basically saying MSU's messed up their next few seasons fooling around with Chicago (J Parker, C Alexander), saying area kids just want to get paid, either directly (UK) or indirectly (KU, Duke?) and UM has been better served abandoning that avenue altogether since dabbling with Patrick Beverley forever ago

 

lol, that's such sour grapes. Every fan base does it when they don't get the kids they want. Oddly enough, no one ever can produce any actual evidence.

 

And the idea that any school is "directly" paying anyone is lunacy. I don't deny that there's all sorts of dirty stuff happening everywhere, in every program. But no program is dumb enough to "directly" pay a player. UK has to pay kids least of all. Nothing's cooler than going to Kentucky. And ever since LeBron and co banded together in Miami, forming dream teams is pretty popular too.

 

??

[illiniguy]

Lol, Charles Matthews is going to "shock the world." his words tomorrow. Someone needs to explain to the Chicago kids what shock means. It isn't shocking for the Chicago kid to pick the blue blood. Just ask Cliff Alexander, Jahlil Oakfor, Anthony Davis, Sherron Collins, Julian Wright, and Shaun Livingston.

i was listening to a podcast or maybe just the radio? a little while ago and they were basically saying MSU's messed up their next few seasons fooling around with Chicago (J Parker, C Alexander), saying area kids just want to get paid, either directly (UK) or indirectly (KU, Duke?) and UM has been better served abandoning that avenue altogether since dabbling with Patrick Beverley forever ago

 

lol, that's such sour grapes. Every fan base does it when they don't get the kids they want. Oddly enough, no one ever can produce any actual evidence.

 

And the idea that any school is "directly" paying anyone is lunacy. I don't deny that there's all sorts of dirty stuff happening everywhere, in every program. But no program is dumb enough to "directly" pay a player. UK has to pay kids least of all. Nothing's cooler than going to Kentucky. And ever since LeBron and co banded together in Miami, forming dream teams is pretty popular too.

Yet, Self is right with UK on the recruiting trail since Jerrance and his uncle Wes got into the fold. This after everyone in the KC area was starting to wonder about Self's recruiting a few years back. I think it's clear that if you are in good with WWW you are going to recruit like gang busters.

 

Whole lot of good that did Illinois.

That's because Weber's talent evaluation was lacking. We were getting the guys we wanted though.

[sneakypower]

Lol, Charles Matthews is going to "shock the world." his words tomorrow. Someone needs to explain to the Chicago kids what shock means. It isn't shocking for the Chicago kid to pick the blue blood. Just ask Cliff Alexander, Jahlil Oakfor, Anthony Davis, Sherron Collins, Julian Wright, and Shaun Livingston.

i was listening to a podcast or maybe just the radio? a little while ago and they were basically saying MSU's messed up their next few seasons fooling around with Chicago (J Parker, C Alexander), saying area kids just want to get paid, either directly (UK) or indirectly (KU, Duke?) and UM has been better served abandoning that avenue altogether since dabbling with Patrick Beverley forever ago

 

lol, that's such sour grapes. Every fan base does it when they don't get the kids they want. Oddly enough, no one ever can produce any actual evidence.

 

And the idea that any school is "directly" paying anyone is lunacy. I don't deny that there's all sorts of dirty stuff happening everywhere, in every program. But no program is dumb enough to "directly" pay a player. UK has to pay kids least of all. Nothing's cooler than going to Kentucky. And ever since LeBron and co banded together in Miami, forming dream teams is pretty popular too.

to be perfectly honest, i wasn't entirely sure what that meant since the guy only briefly mentioned it off-the-cuff; i had mostly just assumed it meant screwing around for a year at a high-profile program and jumping ship

 

it wouldn't be sour grapes though, this was coming from a UM perspective crowing about MSU's uninspiring near-future

[snoodmonger]

Lol, Charles Matthews is going to "shock the world." his words tomorrow. Someone needs to explain to the Chicago kids what shock means. It isn't shocking for the Chicago kid to pick the blue blood. Just ask Cliff Alexander, Jahlil Oakfor, Anthony Davis, Sherron Collins, Julian Wright, and Shaun Livingston.

i was listening to a podcast or maybe just the radio? a little while ago and they were basically saying MSU's messed up their next few seasons fooling around with Chicago (J Parker, C Alexander), saying area kids just want to get paid, either directly (UK) or indirectly (KU, Duke?) and UM has been better served abandoning that avenue altogether since dabbling with Patrick Beverley forever ago

 

lol, that's such sour grapes. Every fan base does it when they don't get the kids they want. Oddly enough, no one ever can produce any actual evidence.

 

And the idea that any school is "directly" paying anyone is lunacy. I don't deny that there's all sorts of dirty stuff happening everywhere, in every program. But no program is dumb enough to "directly" pay a player. UK has to pay kids least of all. Nothing's cooler than going to Kentucky. And ever since LeBron and co banded together in Miami, forming dream teams is pretty popular too.

to be perfectly honest, i wasn't entirely sure what that meant since the guy only briefly mentioned it off-the-cuff; i had mostly just assumed it meant screwing around for a year at a high-profile program and jumping ship

 

it wouldn't be sour grapes though, this was coming from a UM perspective crowing about MSU's uninspiring near-future

 

it may be in UM's best interest to avoid recruiting Chicago. But that's more because a lot of big name programs spend a lot of time there. Duke has been in Chicago forever. UK, KU. I feel like Indiana has a presence there, though I could be wrong. Then you have the "hometown" schools like Illinois. It's a crowded area. It makes it hard to land recruits, especially when other programs have entrenched relationships. The "paying players off" thing is such a cop out.

[snoodmonger]

Lol, Charles Matthews is going to "shock the world." his words tomorrow. Someone needs to explain to the Chicago kids what shock means. It isn't shocking for the Chicago kid to pick the blue blood. Just ask Cliff Alexander, Jahlil Oakfor, Anthony Davis, Sherron Collins, Julian Wright, and Shaun Livingston.

i was listening to a podcast or maybe just the radio? a little while ago and they were basically saying MSU's messed up their next few seasons fooling around with Chicago (J Parker, C Alexander), saying area kids just want to get paid, either directly (UK) or indirectly (KU, Duke?) and UM has been better served abandoning that avenue altogether since dabbling with Patrick Beverley forever ago

 

lol, that's such sour grapes. Every fan base does it when they don't get the kids they want. Oddly enough, no one ever can produce any actual evidence.

 

And the idea that any school is "directly" paying anyone is lunacy. I don't deny that there's all sorts of dirty stuff happening everywhere, in every program. But no program is dumb enough to "directly" pay a player. UK has to pay kids least of all. Nothing's cooler than going to Kentucky. And ever since LeBron and co banded together in Miami, forming dream teams is pretty popular too.

 

??

 

All of college sports is pretty dirty. I'm inclined to believe there's a lot more academic fraud on behalf of student athletes (like what happened at UNC) than there is huge sums of money exchanging hands. That's not to say there isn't some of that, too. And I'm sure star athletes get a lot of free stuff in their day-to-day lives that would clearly constitute impermissable benefits. But families getting huge checks a la Reggie Bush or what Cam Newton was accused of getting--in my opinion--is much more rare. It's just too risky. But I could be wrong. I certainly don't have any evidence to support this theory.

[UMFan83]

More dejected Iowa fans.

 

Minnesota still alive but they probably need to either win at Michigan or win 2 BTT games.

[pitchcs]

More dejected Iowa fans.

 

Minnesota still alive but they probably need to either win at Michigan or win 2 BTT games.

 

 

Yeah, they just don't have any really good wins this year (Road wins vs Richmond, NW and Penn St -- Home losses to Illinois and NW). Won't cut it IMO.

[bcl412]

At least it will probably take home losses to both Purdue and Illinois for Iowa to miss the tournament.

[Formerly Snayke]

It's all noise, but Mizzou fans are having a tantrum about Haith. No down seasons are allowed for this blue blood program!

[rawaction]

IU is probably finishing this season with a .500 or worse record. 15-12. Remaining schedule of home vs. Iowa, Ohio St, and Nebraska, and @ Michigan. Even if they manage to win 1 of those home games, at most it will only be 1, meaning 16-15 regular season and then there will be a likely 1-and done B1G tourney.

 

Maybe my expectations were too high. I know they lost 4 1,000 point scorers, but they returned a guy who would also get to 1,000 points, a McDonald's All American PG, who is among the conferences leading scorers, and had a top 5-10 recruiting class, that includes a lottery pick and possible top 7 pick. I knew shooting would be bad, but it hasn't been completely debilitating. I guess I expected better, maybe its just me though.

[Formerly Snayke]

I want to rant, too.

 

I didn't have many expectations for Missouri because Phil Pressey abandoned ship, and it was going to be another transition year even if he stayed. People seem to lose sight of the fact that Missouri's success two years ago was a result of having six seniors, which has led to the word "regression" being thrown around, as if a team that has turned over its entire roster can regress. Haith made the best of a bad situation that Mike Anderson put him in by grabbing Oriakhi, Bell and Brown, but the failure of his first recruiting class is weighing the team down. Hopefully a miracle happens and Clarkson and Brown stay next season. With Price, Bello and Biedscheid coming in they're going to have more depth. Next season is going to be a lot more interesting, plus no more Tony Criswell.

 

/end

[illiniguy]

Matthews to kentucky. College sports are just not fun.

[UMFan83]

Matthews to kentucky. College sports are just not fun.

 

MY WORLD HAS BEEN SHOCKED

[UMFan83]

IU is probably finishing this season with a .500 or worse record. 15-12. Remaining schedule of home vs. Iowa, Ohio St, and Nebraska, and @ Michigan. Even if they manage to win 1 of those home games, at most it will only be 1, meaning 16-15 regular season and then there will be a likely 1-and done B1G tourney.

 

Maybe my expectations were too high. I know they lost 4 1,000 point scorers, but they returned a guy who would also get to 1,000 points, a McDonald's All American PG, who is among the conferences leading scorers, and had a top 5-10 recruiting class, that includes a lottery pick and possible top 7 pick. I knew shooting would be bad, but it hasn't been completely debilitating. I guess I expected better, maybe its just me though.

 

Absolutely insane that IUs last 5 games are @ Wisc, vs. Iowa, vs. Ohio State, @ Nebraska, @ Michigan. I know the Iowa game is rescheduled but still.

[Formerly Snayke]

I'm not shocked or anything, but John Calipari's abilities are mystifying. It feels like his powers should be saved for useful things.

[abuck1220]

 

And the idea that any school is "directly" paying anyone is lunacy. I don't deny that there's all sorts of dirty stuff happening everywhere, in every program.

 

like how rashad vaughn goes to a prep "school" that gave his "mentor" a "job" and was founded by a huge unlv booster/former player and then decides to join two other blue chip recruits at crummy unlv?

[Exile on Waveland]

IU is probably finishing this season with a .500 or worse record. 15-12. Remaining schedule of home vs. Iowa, Ohio St, and Nebraska, and @ Michigan. Even if they manage to win 1 of those home games, at most it will only be 1, meaning 16-15 regular season and then there will be a likely 1-and done B1G tourney.

 

Maybe my expectations were too high. I know they lost 4 1,000 point scorers, but they returned a guy who would also get to 1,000 points, a McDonald's All American PG, who is among the conferences leading scorers, and had a top 5-10 recruiting class, that includes a lottery pick and possible top 7 pick. I knew shooting would be bad, but it hasn't been completely debilitating. I guess I expected better, maybe its just me though.

 

Absolutely insane that IUs last 5 games are @ Wisc, vs. Iowa, vs. Ohio State, @ Nebraska, @ Michigan. I know the Iowa game is rescheduled but still.

 

They host Nebraska. Already customarily blew a double-digit lead in Lincoln.

[Thed Hoyerstein]

Do you think Crean looks at himself in the mirror and yells "YOU RUINED OUR PROGRAM!!!!"