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I think Castellanos/Turner +another piece is a must if we deal with the Tigers. Maybe I'm down more than others on Turner, but I just don't see the guy who is supposed to be a top of the rotation starter. There is absolutely no way I'd ever let him headline a deal for Garza.

 

To be fair, Teheran is another guy where I just don't see this supposed elite ace type stuff so maybe I'm just wrong.

 

turner's k/9 tell me that he'll never be top of the rotation. i mean, doesn't a serious ace-prospect have to be at least over 9 at every level? i mean, that's a minimum requirement. if you can't strike guys out, you can't dominate. if you can't dominate, you're back-end.

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In Turner's defense, he's been extremely young for his leagues. But, your point remains true. I see him as a 3/4 most likely, at this point. And he's regressed this year, which is not what I'm looking for as a headlining trade piece for Garza.
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I think Castellanos/Turner +another piece is a must if we deal with the Tigers. Maybe I'm down more than others on Turner, but I just don't see the guy who is supposed to be a top of the rotation starter. There is absolutely no way I'd ever let him headline a deal for Garza.

 

To be fair, Teheran is another guy where I just don't see this supposed elite ace type stuff so maybe I'm just wrong.

 

turner's k/9 tell me that he'll never be top of the rotation. i mean, doesn't a serious ace-prospect have to be at least over 9 at every level? i mean, that's a minimum requirement. if you can't strike guys out, you can't dominate. if you can't dominate, you're back-end.

 

Greg Maddux says Hello, as do several HOF pitchers from the early 1900s (Walter Johnson included).

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I think Castellanos/Turner +another piece is a must if we deal with the Tigers. Maybe I'm down more than others on Turner, but I just don't see the guy who is supposed to be a top of the rotation starter. There is absolutely no way I'd ever let him headline a deal for Garza.

 

To be fair, Teheran is another guy where I just don't see this supposed elite ace type stuff so maybe I'm just wrong.

 

turner's k/9 tell me that he'll never be top of the rotation. i mean, doesn't a serious ace-prospect have to be at least over 9 at every level? i mean, that's a minimum requirement. if you can't strike guys out, you can't dominate. if you can't dominate, you're back-end.

 

42IP 27K 19BB. Admittedly that's a small sample size but with the recent arm troubles, I'll stand by my opinion.

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I think Castellanos/Turner +another piece is a must if we deal with the Tigers. Maybe I'm down more than others on Turner, but I just don't see the guy who is supposed to be a top of the rotation starter. There is absolutely no way I'd ever let him headline a deal for Garza.

 

To be fair, Teheran is another guy where I just don't see this supposed elite ace type stuff so maybe I'm just wrong.

 

turner's k/9 tell me that he'll never be top of the rotation. i mean, doesn't a serious ace-prospect have to be at least over 9 at every level? i mean, that's a minimum requirement. if you can't strike guys out, you can't dominate. if you can't dominate, you're back-end.

 

Greg Maddux says Hello, as do several HOF pitchers from the early 1900s (Walter Johnson included).

 

It's amazing how few guys Maddux struck out in the minors. Glavine was never a 9+ K guy in the majors either. But he at least struck out everyone in the lowest levels. Maddux just never struck out guys in bunches, even in A ball.

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I think Castellanos/Turner +another piece is a must if we deal with the Tigers. Maybe I'm down more than others on Turner, but I just don't see the guy who is supposed to be a top of the rotation starter. There is absolutely no way I'd ever let him headline a deal for Garza.

 

To be fair, Teheran is another guy where I just don't see this supposed elite ace type stuff so maybe I'm just wrong.

 

turner's k/9 tell me that he'll never be top of the rotation. i mean, doesn't a serious ace-prospect have to be at least over 9 at every level? i mean, that's a minimum requirement. if you can't strike guys out, you can't dominate. if you can't dominate, you're back-end.

 

Greg Maddux says Hello, as do several HOF pitchers from the early 1900s (Walter Johnson included).

 

So ''several'' pitchers in the history of baseball, pretty compelling evidence there.

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I think Castellanos/Turner +another piece is a must if we deal with the Tigers. Maybe I'm down more than others on Turner, but I just don't see the guy who is supposed to be a top of the rotation starter. There is absolutely no way I'd ever let him headline a deal for Garza.

 

To be fair, Teheran is another guy where I just don't see this supposed elite ace type stuff so maybe I'm just wrong.

 

turner's k/9 tell me that he'll never be top of the rotation. i mean, doesn't a serious ace-prospect have to be at least over 9 at every level? i mean, that's a minimum requirement. if you can't strike guys out, you can't dominate. if you can't dominate, you're back-end.

 

Greg Maddux says Hello, as do several HOF pitchers from the early 1900s (Walter Johnson included).

 

So ''several'' pitchers in the history of baseball, pretty compelling evidence there.

 

HOF = Hall of Fame. Do you really want me to go thru the names? Or are you ok now?

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I think Castellanos/Turner +another piece is a must if we deal with the Tigers. Maybe I'm down more than others on Turner, but I just don't see the guy who is supposed to be a top of the rotation starter. There is absolutely no way I'd ever let him headline a deal for Garza.

 

To be fair, Teheran is another guy where I just don't see this supposed elite ace type stuff so maybe I'm just wrong.

 

turner's k/9 tell me that he'll never be top of the rotation. i mean, doesn't a serious ace-prospect have to be at least over 9 at every level? i mean, that's a minimum requirement. if you can't strike guys out, you can't dominate. if you can't dominate, you're back-end.

 

Greg Maddux says Hello, as do several HOF pitchers from the early 1900s (Walter Johnson included).

 

So ''several'' pitchers in the history of baseball, pretty compelling evidence there.

 

HOF = Hall of Fame. Do you really want me to go thru the names? Or are you ok now?

 

are you having a stroke? stick to the subject. name some top (or simply top of the rotation starters) pitchers in baseball today that didn't have a k/9 at least around 9 consistently in the minor leagues.

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I think Castellanos/Turner +another piece is a must if we deal with the Tigers. Maybe I'm down more than others on Turner, but I just don't see the guy who is supposed to be a top of the rotation starter. There is absolutely no way I'd ever let him headline a deal for Garza.

 

To be fair, Teheran is another guy where I just don't see this supposed elite ace type stuff so maybe I'm just wrong.

 

turner's k/9 tell me that he'll never be top of the rotation. i mean, doesn't a serious ace-prospect have to be at least over 9 at every level? i mean, that's a minimum requirement. if you can't strike guys out, you can't dominate. if you can't dominate, you're back-end.

 

Greg Maddux says Hello, as do several HOF pitchers from the early 1900s (Walter Johnson included).

 

So ''several'' pitchers in the history of baseball, pretty compelling evidence there.

 

HOF = Hall of Fame. Do you really want me to go thru the names? Or are you ok now?

 

Early 1900's=dead ball era. Very difficult to compare the 2. Fly balls were a lot less likely to leave the yard. Grounders were a lot less likely to make it into the outfield.

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are you having a stroke? stick to the subject. name some top (or simply top of the rotation starters) pitchers in baseball today that didn't have a k/9 at least around 9 consistently in the minor leagues.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=hallad001har

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=wilson002chr

 

Halladay relearned how to pitch the second time around and Wilson wasn't good until recently. Still, a couple of exceptions that prove the rule.

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We already have 3 exceptions in a population of no more than 60 and that assumes each team has 2 top starters, which I don't think anyone would concede.

 

I don't think this is as cut and dry as you're making it out to be, sulley.

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Shields and Harrison were 9 area guys at the stage that Turner is at. But the delight you're taking in this has caused me to question my desire to give you a Call when I'm in Chicago this summer.

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We already have 3 exceptions in a population of no more than 60 and that assumes each team has 2 top starters, which I don't think anyone would concede.

 

I don't think this is as cut and dry as you're making it out to be, sulley.

 

Even if there are 6 out of 60, and none of whom were necessarily as lousy at getting ks as turner, that's still 10%.

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