Re: What would you deal Garza for?

[Clem Fandango]

I can't be the only one not sold on Avila as a legit top tier catcher, am I? The guy had a .366 BABIP last year, had virtually no pedigree as a prospect, and came out of nowhere.

 

I don't buy it. Not until he can replicate the numbers.

[ctcf]

Phil Rogers @ChiTribRogers

Matt Garza's arbitration hearing is set for Friday #cubs are hopful of a settlement despite huge gap in figures.

[davell]

I don't think we'd lose the case and his salary would be lower, making it easier for us to deal him, but I kind of hope they just meet in the middle.

[davell]

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/7747/source-garza-arbitration-hearing-friday?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

By the sound of this, we won't be reaching an agreement with Garza and are heading to arbitration tomorrow. Could be a good thing, since I don't see us losing the case at least. The lower his salary is, the better for some of these teams potentially interested in him.

[hankp101]

By the sound of this, we won't be reaching an agreement with Garza and are heading to arbitration tomorrow. Could be a good thing, since I don't see us losing the case at least. The lower his salary is, the better for some of these teams potentially interested in him.

Agreed. I think at some point you have to prove you are willing to take one to arbitration or else players will keep upping their asking prices higher and higher to recive a more favorable midpoint settlement. I'd also say that if Theo/Jed are willing to take this to arbitration it probably further increases the odds that Garza will in fact be dealt rather than extended.

[jersey cubs fan]

By the sound of this, we won't be reaching an agreement with Garza and are heading to arbitration tomorrow. Could be a good thing, since I don't see us losing the case at least. The lower his salary is, the better for some of these teams potentially interested in him.

Agreed. I think at some point you have to prove you are willing to take one to arbitration or else players will keep upping their asking prices higher and higher to recive a more favorable midpoint settlement. I'd also say that if Theo/Jed are willing to take this to arbitration it probably further increases the odds that Garza will in fact be dealt rather than extended.

 

Yeah, going through an arbitration hearing with him is going to make it a bigger challenge to extend him if it comes to that.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Arbitration hearing is today.

 

I'm very optimistic that the Cubs win, and that going through the process significantly improves his chances of being dealt.

[davell]

I'm pulling for Oswalt to sign with Texas or the Cards, so Boston, Toronto, and Detroit are all still looking for a starter.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I'm pulling for Oswalt to sign with Texas or the Cards, so Boston, Toronto, and Detroit are all still looking for a starter.

 

Any team expecting to sign Oswalt likely expects I to be a 1 year deal with incentives and maybe an option. I don't think that missing out on him would cause teams to shell out what we want for Garza unless the price goes down. I still think that we should be shopping Dempster more aggressively to these teams looking for a mid rotation starter with a short term commitment. We wouldn't be getting anything like Turner, Castelannos, or even Smyly or Crosby, but could get something of value. I'd gladly eat as much of the contract as necessary for the right return.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Cubs avoid hearing with 1-year, $9.5 million deal.

[CubColtPacer]

Cubs avoid hearing with 1-year, $9.5 million deal.

 

Apparently Garza's side didn't feel too strongly about their case either. That's a pretty fair deal. I'm glad the Cubs didn't push it all the way to the hearing even though they would have won.

[jersey cubs fan]

Cubs avoid hearing with 1-year, $9.5 million deal.

 

so, well below the midpoint, right?

[CubColtPacer]

Cubs avoid hearing with 1-year, $9.5 million deal.

 

so, well below the midpoint, right?

 

The midpoint was 10.225 million.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm pulling for Oswalt to sign with Texas or the Cards, so Boston, Toronto, and Detroit are all still looking for a starter.

 

I don't want anything that was rumored from Boston or Toronto, so I don't care about them. You seem really intent on trading Garza for whatever the best offer is, and I'm really struggling to understand why.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm pulling for Oswalt to sign with Texas or the Cards, so Boston, Toronto, and Detroit are all still looking for a starter.

 

I don't want anything that was rumored from Boston or Toronto, so I don't care about them. You seem really intent on trading Garza for whatever the best offer is, and I'm really struggling to understand why.

 

Because after 324 games in which I'm not expecting a ton from the Cubs, he's a free agent and all we get is draft pick compensation.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm pulling for Oswalt to sign with Texas or the Cards, so Boston, Toronto, and Detroit are all still looking for a starter.

 

I don't want anything that was rumored from Boston or Toronto, so I don't care about them. You seem really intent on trading Garza for whatever the best offer is, and I'm really struggling to understand why.

 

Because after 324 games in which I'm not expecting a ton from the Cubs, he's a free agent and all we get is draft pick compensation.

 

Or we re-sign/extend him, and we have a great pitcher.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

A pitcher who is showing no signs of being interested in a team-friendly extension, who has only been "great" occasionally, and will be 30 at that point.

 

Everyone is obsessed with buying low these days, but there's another half to that equation.

[Guest]

There's a fine line between selling high and hemorrhaging talent from the MLB roster. If you can't get a very strong return for Garza, let him pitch this year, and if he continues to be a 4-5 win pitcher, then try to sign him to an extension in the offseason, knowing you are going to be paying essentially Free Agent prices, but armed with the leverage of being able to give him FA dollars in an arbitration year.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm just not hugely excited about paying for his age 30-34 seasons, or whatever the extension would be, compared to the sort of returns a trade is rumored to be able to bring.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm just not hugely excited about paying for his age 30-34 seasons, or whatever the extension would be, compared to the sort of returns a trade is rumored to be able to bring.

 

I'm hugely excited about the top end of those rumors but anything shy of that makes it pointless to deal him this offseason.

[Tracer Bullet]

I'm just not hugely excited about paying for his age 30-34 seasons, or whatever the extension would be, compared to the sort of returns a trade is rumored to be able to bring.

 

What's wrong with paying for a stud pitcher's 30-34 seasons? Are we afraid he's going to eat himself into Sidney Ponson?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm just not hugely excited about paying for his age 30-34 seasons, or whatever the extension would be, compared to the sort of returns a trade is rumored to be able to bring.

 

What's wrong with paying for a stud pitcher's 30-34 seasons? Are we afraid he's going to eat himself into Sidney Ponson?

 

I'm not quite willing to anoint the guy with one 3.5+ WAR season a "stud" pitcher.

[Guest]

That's why you let him prove himself again this year.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

That's why you let him prove himself again this year.

 

Or you sell high and get while the gettin's good.

[SouthSideRyan]

Other than being Kyle, what is it you don't like about Garza's performance going forward.