Re: What would you deal Garza for?

[davell]

I'd try and hold out for Crosby or Smyly as well, as much as I like the 2 top guys, these are our 2 best chips we may trade. Need some sort of depth added, to offset the risk factor of only getting 2 guys back. If not Smyly or Crosby, make them add a couple of lower level guys, like Paulino and Vazquez. At any rate, I still see no reason why the Tigers want Soto.

[Guest]

Garza and Soto? Turner, Porcello, and whoever they prefer of Castellanos/Crosby/Smyly.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Garza and Soto? Turner, Porcello, and whoever they prefer of Castellanos/Crosby/Smyly.

 

If we turned that down I would be saddened. However, Detroit is trying to replace a DH more so than a catcher so I don't think they'd do it.

[KingCubsFan]

Anyone else hear the rumor that the Tigers would be willing to trade Turner and Castellanos for Garza and Soto? From the discussion page on another blog, wonder where it came from. Anyone?

Why would the Tigers ever want Soto?

[jersey cubs fan]

Anyone else hear the rumor that the Tigers would be willing to trade Turner and Castellanos for Garza and Soto? From the discussion page on another blog, wonder where it came from. Anyone?

Why would the Tigers ever want Soto?

 

Because they took a hit to their catching/hitting situation and Soto is a 29 year old with a career OPS over 800.

[Guest]

Anyone else hear the rumor that the Tigers would be willing to trade Turner and Castellanos for Garza and Soto? From the discussion page on another blog, wonder where it came from. Anyone?

Why would the Tigers ever want Soto?

 

Because they took a hit to their catching/hitting situation and Soto is a 29 year old with a career OPS over 800.

 

They'd be better off replacing their DH with another DH and not paying for the value in his ability to catch.

[KingCubsFan]

Anyone else hear the rumor that the Tigers would be willing to trade Turner and Castellanos for Garza and Soto? From the discussion page on another blog, wonder where it came from. Anyone?

Why would the Tigers ever want Soto?

 

Because they took a hit to their catching/hitting situation and Soto is a 29 year old with a career OPS over 800.

They have a better catcher, and Soto derives most of his value from the fact that he can catch. Why wouldn't they just sign a DH off the scrap heap as opposed to paying a premium for someone like Soto?

[jersey cubs fan]

Anyone else hear the rumor that the Tigers would be willing to trade Turner and Castellanos for Garza and Soto? From the discussion page on another blog, wonder where it came from. Anyone?

Why would the Tigers ever want Soto?

 

Because they took a hit to their catching/hitting situation and Soto is a 29 year old with a career OPS over 800.

 

They'd be better off replacing their DH with another DH and not paying for the value in his ability to catch.

 

Maybe, but at this stage of the game they don't exactly have a million options.

[jersey cubs fan]

They have a better catcher, and Soto derives most of his value from the fact that he can catch. Why wouldn't they just sign a DH off the scrap heap as opposed to paying a premium for someone like Soto?

 

They have a better fulltime catcher, but Victor still caught 20-something games for them last year, and he's gone. I doubt they want their young guy catching 162. Plus Soto derives most of his value from the fact that he's had 2 fantastic offensive seasons, and there is reason to believe he can do it again, especially if he was able to DH a lot.

[biittner77]

They have a better catcher, and Soto derives most of his value from the fact that he can catch. Why wouldn't they just sign a DH off the scrap heap as opposed to paying a premium for someone like Soto?

 

They have a better fulltime catcher, but Victor still caught 20-something games for them last year, and he's gone. I doubt they want their young guy catching 162. Plus Soto derives most of his value from the fact that he's had 2 fantastic offensive seasons, and there is reason to believe he can do it again, especially if he was able to DH a lot.

 

Couldn't you say the same thing for the Yankees? They are talking about DH by committee. I honestly have no idea who the starting ctacher for the Yankees is going to be.

[jersey cubs fan]

They have a better catcher, and Soto derives most of his value from the fact that he can catch. Why wouldn't they just sign a DH off the scrap heap as opposed to paying a premium for someone like Soto?

 

They have a better fulltime catcher, but Victor still caught 20-something games for them last year, and he's gone. I doubt they want their young guy catching 162. Plus Soto derives most of his value from the fact that he's had 2 fantastic offensive seasons, and there is reason to believe he can do it again, especially if he was able to DH a lot.

 

Couldn't you say the same thing for the Yankees? They are talking about DH by committee. I honestly have no idea who the starting ctacher for the Yankees is going to be.

 

Is it not going to be Russell Martin? The Yankees issue is they have half a dozen guys who might be a month away from DH duty.

[questionmarkgrace]

we may have just gained more leverage. Rotoworld is reporting that Roy Oswalt has spurned the tigers who were after him in favor of the red sox. Maybe now the tigers are willing to part with Turner? There realistic options for improving their rotation are dwindling.

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/mlb/348224/oswalt-turns-down-tigers-now-boston-bound

[mookie]

we may have just gained more leverage. Rotoworld is reporting that Roy Oswalt has spurned the tigers who were after him in favor of the red sox. Maybe now the tigers are willing to part with Turner? There realistic options for improving their rotation are dwindling.

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/mlb/348224/oswalt-turns-down-tigers-now-boston-bound

 

Nice to hear they were wanting Oswalt. I would imagine they are our strongest potential partner at this point. Honestly, no one else really makes much sense. I wish the Blue Jays were in the mix, but AA does things on the down low so who knows.

[davell]

I think they've always been willing to part with Turner personally. It's the secondary parts that have been and may continue to be, the hold up here.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

Sounds like good news with the Tigers...been saying all offseason they fit like a glove for Garza.

[davell]

Knobler thinks they'll stay in house for the 5th spot, but Leyland's already kind of came out and asked for more starting pitching, so I'm hopeful.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

Knobler thinks they'll stay in house for the 5th spot, but Leyland's already kind of came out and asked for more starting pitching, so I'm hopeful.

 

Leyland is a smart guy. That team's window isn't going to be open forever. The closest to a trustworthy starter behind Verlander is Fister/Scherzer, and neither guy is someone I would call a sure thing (though I like both).

 

JUST DO IT TIGERS. G'dammit it makes so much sense for them to do it. Verlander - Garza - Fister - Scherzer would stack with most anyone not located in Philly. I insist.

[pccubfan]

Anyone else hear the rumor that the Tigers would be willing to trade Turner and Castellanos for Garza and Soto? From the discussion page on another blog, wonder where it came from. Anyone?

Why would the Tigers ever want Soto?

 

Because Soto is one of the Cubs' better chips? If the Tigers are going to give up a bunch of prospects for Garza, getting Soto back may make the trade easier for them to swallow.

[KingCubsFan]

Anyone else hear the rumor that the Tigers would be willing to trade Turner and Castellanos for Garza and Soto? From the discussion page on another blog, wonder where it came from. Anyone?

Why would the Tigers ever want Soto?

 

Because Soto is one of the Cubs' better chips? If the Tigers are going to give up a bunch of prospects for Garza, getting Soto back may make the trade easier for them to swallow.

So you're proposing Soto to be a throw-in?

[pccubfan]

Anyone else hear the rumor that the Tigers would be willing to trade Turner and Castellanos for Garza and Soto? From the discussion page on another blog, wonder where it came from. Anyone?

Why would the Tigers ever want Soto?

 

Because Soto is one of the Cubs' better chips? If the Tigers are going to give up a bunch of prospects for Garza, getting Soto back may make the trade easier for them to swallow.

So you're proposing Soto to be a throw-in?

 

I'm not proposing that, but I think it would explain why the Tigers would have interest in Soto.

[CubsWin]

Anyone else hear the rumor that the Tigers would be willing to trade Turner and Castellanos for Garza and Soto? From the discussion page on another blog, wonder where it came from. Anyone?

Why would the Tigers ever want Soto?

 

Because Soto is one of the Cubs' better chips? If the Tigers are going to give up a bunch of prospects for Garza, getting Soto back may make the trade easier for them to swallow.

So you're proposing Soto to be a throw-in?

 

I'm not proposing that, but I think it would explain why the Tigers would have interest in Soto.

It would also buy them some options and increase their chances of winning now if they can move Avila for something really good. We all agree that Soto's value is at catcher, if the Tigers window truly is only a couple of years, then they could really help themselves buy trading Avila. Maybe they've got a taker...

 

Imagine Detroit acquiring Garza, Soto and someone else who will be really good for the next couple of years. That roster would be ready to compete.

[dew1679666265]

We all agree that Soto's value is at catcher

 

It depends on which Soto shows up. The 2011 version would have put Geo 14th out of 16 AL DHs (with 300+ PAs) in wOBA. But, the 2010 version of Geo (.385 wOBA) would have put him 2nd out of those same 16 DHs. He clearly has a lot of value as a catcher since his offense is inconsistent, but his defense is consistently solid, but if his bat shows up he carries plenty of value as a DH.

[davell]

Mike Ilitch turns 83 during the middle of the season, making me think Detroit is going "all in" since they did the Fielder move. Their payroll heading into that was sitting at 104. It was 106 last year. My guess is it's like most deals and is backloaded quite a bit. The reason I see Garza coming back onto their radar though, other than trying to develop Turner in a pressure cooker atmosphere, is their payrolls the previous few season went as such(2010 and back) 133, 115, and 137. So, they'll spend some money and only have 64 mill committed in 2013, not counting Fielder. We really should be able to make this work with them now somehow, because they've thrown themselves in it to win immediately. My guess is we need to settle his arb number before anything's going to happen on this front.

[CubsWin]

Mike Ilitch turns 83 during the middle of the season, making me think Detroit is going "all in" since they did the Fielder move. Their payroll heading into that was sitting at 104. It was 106 last year. My guess is it's like most deals and is backloaded quite a bit. The reason I see Garza coming back onto their radar though, other than trying to develop Turner in a pressure cooker atmosphere, is their payrolls the previous few season went as such(2010 and back) 133, 115, and 137. So, they'll spend some money and only have 64 mill committed in 2013, not counting Fielder. We really should be able to make this work with them now somehow, because they've thrown themselves in it to win immediately. My guess is we need to settle his arb number before anything's going to happen on this front.

I really want the Fielder signing to mean that the Tigers are going all in and will now be more willing to trade away their future for a better now, but the truth is the Fielder signing could be good, bad or meaningless in regards to a Garza trade. Your scenario is a sound argument in favor of, but it just as easily could mean that after spending 214 million dollars, the Tigers value young, inexpensive pitching now more than ever. Unfortunately, I don't think we know anything more than we did at the start of the day. All we got is [expletive] tea leaves and they can be interpreted any way we like.

[biittner77]

It would also buy them some options and increase their chances of winning now if they can move Avila for something really good. We all agree that Soto's value is at catcher, if the Tigers window truly is only a couple of years, then they could really help themselves buy trading Avila. Maybe they've got a taker...

 

Imagine Detroit acquiring Garza, Soto and someone else who will be really good for the next couple of years. That roster would be ready to compete.

 

If they are willing to trade Avila, the Cubs would be a good landing spot for him.

 

Garza, Soto and Vitters for Avila and Turner.