Re: What would you deal Garza for?

[Guest]

They have to pay the posting fee whether they sign him or not.

 

No they do not.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

shouldn't interested teams have had a conversation with him about what kind of salary he expected? 5/100 would make the average annual value over $30m after the posting fee, which is absurd. i wouldn't even have gone $20m/year with the posting fee factored in.

What is to stop a team from posting a ridiculously high amount just to prevent the player from going to another team, then low-balling the offer because they never intended to spend that much on the player in the first place?

 

They have to pay the posting fee whether they sign him or not. What team would pay $50 million to block another team from getting that player?

 

They don't have to pay the posting fee if they don't sign him.

[jersey cubs fan]

They have to pay the posting fee whether they sign him or not.

 

No they do not.

 

Technically they do have to pay it though, right? But it's put in escrow and returned if they don't sign him?

[Guest]

They have to pay the posting fee whether they sign him or not.

 

No they do not.

 

Technically they do have to pay it though, right? But it's put in escrow and returned if they don't sign him?

 

That's my understanding. So yeah, they have to be able to front the money, but they get it back if they don't sign the guy.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_system

 

. If the player and the MLB team agree on contract terms before the 30-day period has expired, the NPB team receives the bid amount as a transfer fee within five business days.

 

Says nothing about escrow.

[davell]

Garza's now confirmed for Convention. Probably not likely he's dealt between now and then. Heyman says Rangers offering Dice-K money to Yu, no report of deal being close.

[Coach.]

shouldn't interested teams have had a conversation with him about what kind of salary he expected? 5/100 would make the average annual value over $30m after the posting fee, which is absurd. i wouldn't even have gone $20m/year with the posting fee factored in.

What is to stop a team from posting a ridiculously high amount just to prevent the player from going to another team, then low-balling the offer because they never intended to spend that much on the player in the first place?

Technically nothing, but bad-faith maneuvering would strain relationships between MLB and the Japanese. I imagine any team doing something like that would get a nasty-gram from the commissioner's office.

[SouthSideRyan]

shouldn't interested teams have had a conversation with him about what kind of salary he expected? 5/100 would make the average annual value over $30m after the posting fee, which is absurd. i wouldn't even have gone $20m/year with the posting fee factored in.

What is to stop a team from posting a ridiculously high amount just to prevent the player from going to another team, then low-balling the offer because they never intended to spend that much on the player in the first place?

 

If it's determined that the winning team is not negotiating in good faith, the Japanese club can move on to the next bid.

[UMFan83]

Thekapman just said on CTL that his sources tell him the Cubs and Tigers are "down the road" on a trade for Matt Garza. He said the Cubs are known to covet 3 specific prospects, for some reason he didnt name 2 of them, he said one was a pitcher, one a 3B, and the third is Casey Crosby.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Thekapman just said on CTL that his sources tell him the Cubs and Tigers are "down the road" on a trade for Matt Garza. He said the Cubs are known to covet 3 specific prospects, for some reason he didnt name 2 of them, he said one was a pitcher, one a 3B, and the third is Casey Crosby.

 

Ugh. I never know which reports to believe anymore. A week or so ago, I believed everyone who said that Garza was going to be traded in the next day. On the other hand, the morning before Z was traded their was a report out of Venezuela that the Cubs and Marlins were discussing a trade for him and I assumed that they were getting the rumors we'd been hearing all along a few weeks late.

[toonsterwu]

Thekapman just said on CTL that his sources tell him the Cubs and Tigers are "down the road" on a trade for Matt Garza. He said the Cubs are known to covet 3 specific prospects, for some reason he didnt name 2 of them, he said one was a pitcher, one a 3B, and the third is Casey Crosby.

 

If the third baseman they are known to covet isn't Castellanos, then I don't know who else in that system would really qualify as someone to "covet".

 

Sounds like the Cubs may be angling for an Oliver or Smyly/Crosby/Castellanos deal. I'd be fine with that if they could get it.

[davell]

In all honesty, if we got Turner/Castellanos/Crosby for Garza, I'd be stunned. Hell, if we got Castellanos/Crosby/Smyly I'd probably be fine with it. But if we got Turner, Castellanos, and either of Crosby or Smyly, it's time to bow down to Lord Theo. Please get this thing done.

[Guest]

Turner or bust.

[davell]

Turner or bust.

Here's a question: Would you guys take Turner going forward to have a better career than the combination of Smyly and Crosby? Reading through that article of success rates of BA's top 100 guys makes me ask this. I hate to say it, but from that article, I'd probably take my chances on the pair. Just a question though, because I really, really want Turner........

[CUBZ99]

Kaplan's article that I will link in a sec says the Cubs are interested in Turner, Castellanos and don't be surprised if they liked Crosby.

 

Cubs president Theo Epstein has made no secret of the fact that he is looking to overhaul not only the Cubs major league roster but the minor league system as well after finding the talent pool in the higher minor league levels of the system relatively barren. The Tigers have a handful of top-end prospects and appear to be willing to meet the Cubs asking price of multiple highly-regarded prospects.

 

Love that part.

 

The Tigers also have a handful of minor league standouts including pitcher Jacob Turner and third baseman Nick Castellanos. An interesting third name in the Tigers system could be left hander Casey Crosby, who played his high school baseball in the Chicago area at Maple Park.

 

 

http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/cubs-talk/post/Tigers-Cubs-talking-Garza-trade?blockID=627864&feedID=661

[illiniguy]

Man if they get that kind of haul for Garza, man I love Theo.

[Guest]

Sounds pretty good to me.

[El Duderino]

i'm tired of getting blue balls on potential garza deals.

[mookie]

i'm tired of getting blue balls on potential garza deals.

 

Don't worry. Here comes the pop.

[toonsterwu]

Does that article read as more speculation by Kaplan than some sort of package? Reads to me like Kaplan heard they were far down the line, and noted some of their top prospects. Here's hoping that really is the package, as I still prefer Crosby to Smyly (a bit).

[dew1679666265]

The Tigers also have a handful of minor league standouts including pitcher Jacob Turner and third baseman Nick Castellanos. An interesting third name in the Tigers system could be left hander Casey Crosby, who played his high school baseball in the Chicago area at Maple Park.

 

Turner/Castellanos/Crosby would be a really good haul, it seems. How does Castellanos' patience profile going forward? He's only 19 and has just played one full season in the minors, but he didn't seem to show a lot of patience in that one season (.056 IsoD).

[Elrhino]

I wouldn't be surprised if Theo threw in a Cubs prospect to get the package he really wants from the Tigers, particularly Vitters. After quickly dealing away Cashner and Colven within a couple of months of having the job, it's kinda apparent he really doesn't have much regard for Henry's eye for talent/skillsets. Edited January 10, 2012 by Elrhino

[Guest]

If we add all these upper level guys to our farm system, and then the lower level guys we have take the expected steps next year, our farm system is going to be ridiculously highly regarded a year from now.

 

 

Then again, Rizzo, Jackson, and Turner may not even count as prospects by then.

[dew1679666265]

I wouldn't be surprised if Theo threw in a Cubs prospect to get the package he really wants from the Tigers, particularly Vitters. After quickly dealing away Cashner and Colven within a few months of having the job, it's kinda apparent he really doesn't have much regard for Henry's eye for talent/skillsets.

 

While I don't disagree with your overall point, I think dealing Cashner was more giving value for value at a greater position of need (Rizzo). I think along with trading Colvin/DJ for Stewart, letting Flaherty and Marwin go for nothing just to go grab Bianchi illustrates your point better.

[toonsterwu]

The Tigers also have a handful of minor league standouts including pitcher Jacob Turner and third baseman Nick Castellanos. An interesting third name in the Tigers system could be left hander Casey Crosby, who played his high school baseball in the Chicago area at Maple Park.

 

Turner/Castellanos/Crosby would be a really good haul, it seems. How does Castellanos' patience profile going forward? He's only 19 and has just played one full season in the minors, but he didn't seem to show a lot of patience in that one season (.056 IsoD).

 

Alright. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this, as I don't follow Castellanos all that close, but there's a level of Vitters in him in that he gets swing happy at times, but he's viewed as having far better discipline (albeit, without Vitters raw hit tool). He had a bad April (looking at firstinning) marked by him pounding the ball into the ground, but the K rate was also a bit higher then as well.

 

It'd be dang fascinating if we could get Castellanos here, but my focus would still be on the pitching. If it's an option of a 2nd high ceiling arm or Castellanos, I think I lean arm. Obviously, it'd be great to get all three.