2011 Chicago Bulls Offseason thread

[UMFan83]

I'll trade Deng if we're getting Iguodala in another deal later.

 

sure but for who? Noah? I guess that wouldnt be horrible but then who do we replace him with?

 

I realize we gotta get rid of someone to improve the team because outside of Rose, Deng and Noah, there is not a great chance of getting an impact player without having to give up 3-4 combined players from the rest of the roster and draft picks.

 

It's not like we'll be able to give up Asik, Brewer, Bobcats pick, 28th pick and get Monta...right?

[wolf stansson]

I'll trade Deng if we're getting Iguodala in another deal later.

 

sure but for who? Noah? I guess that wouldnt be horrible but then who do we replace him with?

None of those deals are happening. I meant it more as, I won't trade Deng unless it's a clear overall team improvement and we get a plus defender to replace him. Since that's tough to do, I don't really think it'll happen.

 

Plus, Thibs loves Deng. He's not going to trade his favorite blanky.

[WrigleyField 22]

Deng for Ellis fill one hole to create another.

 

There are several SG options that will be available that would be an improvement to what we had.

 

I like the Bull's core group of guys. Any trade should be a clear talent upgrade consolidation trade, IMO.

 

Now that could change within reason. If you thought you had a SF lined up in which you could say mystery SF/Ellis > Deng/SG we might obtain in FA, then you go for it. I'm not sure theres a SF like that whos available.

 

I know Ellis wows with offense, but that is inflated in the GS system. Plus him and Rose is a small backcourt.

[Guest]

The last two posts sum up how I feel as well. Ellis is a damn good scorer but Deng is too valuable of a player, especially defensively to lose him unless you know you will get someone else eventually.

 

Unless Thibs has some magical powers and can make Ellis decent on the defensive end it's a trade I wouldn't do. I could easily live with losing Noah for Ellis though.

 

I feel the same way as you regarding Deng and Noah.

[Banedon]

I really like Noah as a fan, and it would suck to lose the guy, but he's the most obvious trading chip here.

[SouthSideRyan]

Is Noah really that expendable? Obviously you would look elsewhere to grab another center and not just go with Asik, but are you really going to find anything better? I mean, Jermaine O' Neal got upwards of 6M. Are you ok with Asik getting 30 mins/game? Wouldn't this torpedo the Bulls frontcourt depth?

[WrigleyField 22]

I could live with losing Noah in the right deal, but I cringe when people (lots of RealGM posters) suggest Asik as the guy to start at center.

 

Asik is worse on offense then Ben Wallace with the Bulls. Just think about that.

[illiniguy]

So should we have just moved Noah to get Carmello?

[WrigleyField 22]

So should we have just moved Noah to get Carmello?

Well it would ultimately depend on the exact deal, but no. But thats because Carmelo is not the guy people claimed he is. Overrated.

[CubColtPacer]

Is Noah really that expendable? Obviously you would look elsewhere to grab another center and not just go with Asik, but are you really going to find anything better? I mean, Jermaine O' Neal got upwards of 6M. Are you ok with Asik getting 30 mins/game? Wouldn't this torpedo the Bulls frontcourt depth?

 

I would think Boozer/Gibson/Asik is a pretty good start to a frountcourt. They would need one more player, but I don't necessarily think that player would have to be an impact guy.

[Guest]

Is Noah really that expendable? Obviously you would look elsewhere to grab another center and not just go with Asik, but are you really going to find anything better? I mean, Jermaine O' Neal got upwards of 6M. Are you ok with Asik getting 30 mins/game? Wouldn't this torpedo the Bulls frontcourt depth?

 

You're right. I'd definitely think twice about trading Noah for Ellis, especially since I have some concerns with Ellis. But I just wouldn't part with Deng for Ellis.

 

Basically, I'd look at FA first and foremost to find a shooting guard.

[Flames24Rulz]

So should we have just moved Noah to get Carmello?

Well it would ultimately depend on the exact deal, but no. But thats because Carmelo is not the guy people claimed he is. Overrated.

 

Maybe a little. But a second scorer alongside Rose sure would've looked good against Miami.

[UMFan83]

So should we have just moved Noah to get Carmello?

Well it would ultimately depend on the exact deal, but no. But thats because Carmelo is not the guy people claimed he is. Overrated.

 

Maybe a little. But a second scorer alongside Rose sure would've looked good against Miami.

 

Sure but Bosh and LeBron torching us without Noah and Deng in there would have looked not as good. So we lose 4 "105-98" games instead of 4 "88-82" games.

[KingCubsFan]

So should we have just moved Noah to get Carmello?

Well it would ultimately depend on the exact deal, but no. But thats because Carmelo is not the guy people claimed he is. Overrated.

 

Maybe a little. But a second scorer alongside Rose sure would've looked good against Miami.

 

Sure but Bosh and LeBron torching us without Noah and Deng in there would have looked not as good. So we lose 4 "105-98" games instead of 4 "88-82" games.

It's not as if Noah was exactly shutting people down in the playoffs. He was terrible for most of that series.

[Flames24Rulz]

So should we have just moved Noah to get Carmello?

Well it would ultimately depend on the exact deal, but no. But thats because Carmelo is not the guy people claimed he is. Overrated.

 

Maybe a little. But a second scorer alongside Rose sure would've looked good against Miami.

 

Sure but Bosh and LeBron torching us without Noah and Deng in there would have looked not as good. So we lose 4 "105-98" games instead of 4 "88-82" games.

It's not as if Noah was exactly shutting people down in the playoffs. He was terrible for most of that series.

 

He was the Bulls worst player in that series, and it wasn't particularly close.

[WrigleyField 22]

Yea having Noah and Boozer play to their supposed talent level could have arguably been just as helpful in that series.

[UMFan83]

I don't think Noah was at the top of his game in that series defensively, but he wasn't as awful as people were suggesting. Offensively yeah.

[WrigleyField 22]

Rebounding too. Especially for Noah who's strength is offensive rebounding. What better defense than to make sure the other team doesn't get on offense?

 

I think you have to wait out a Deng for Ellis trade, at least a bit. I don't think picks would need to be involved, so I don't necessarily see Ellis situation being played out prior to the draft. After the new CBA is settled, we'll have a mcuh better idea on what the makeup of the new-look league will look like and how we'll want to be allocating our resources.

[DivineBovine]

I'd give up Deng before Noah.

 

Noah plays a much more valuable position, and has more upside. Deng is as good as he's going to get, he's older, and makes more money. His offense is very average. He has value shooting the 3, but he's not a good finisher and is a poor ball hander. He can be replaced easier than Noah, in my opinion.

[WrigleyField 22]

I'd give up Deng before Noah.

 

Noah plays a much more valuable position, and has more upside. Deng is as good as he's going to get, he's older, and makes more money. His offense is very average. He has value shooting the 3, but he's not a good finisher and is a poor ball hander. He can be replaced easier than Noah, in my opinion.

While I agree with you and hate to nitpick...

 

Noah is actually older than Deng. Feb 25, 1985; April 16, 1985.

 

Also I think Deng is a pretty good finisher. He isn't explosive but he picks his spots very well and is effective. Ball handling, again he picks his spots well and although he looks akward as all hell, he was pretty effective this year.

 

I do agree he can be more easily replaced though. Mostly because of position.

[DivineBovine]

That's depressing. I remember when Noah was in college like it was yesterday.

[WrigleyField 22]

Deng obviously has more NBA mileage though. Although for as much injury flak that Deng has gotten, Noah has been just as brittle. Really when you look at our core, we have quite a few guys with injury history.

[rawaction]

I'd give up Deng before Noah.

 

Noah plays a much more valuable position, and has more upside. Deng is as good as he's going to get, he's older, and makes more money. His offense is very average. He has value shooting the 3, but he's not a good finisher and is a poor ball hander. He can be replaced easier than Noah, in my opinion.

While I agree with you and hate to nitpick...

 

Noah is actually older than Deng. Feb 25, 1985; April 16, 1985.

 

Also I think Deng is a pretty good finisher. He isn't explosive but he picks his spots very well and is effective. Ball handling, again he picks his spots well and although he looks akward as all hell, he was pretty effective this year.

 

I do agree he can be more easily replaced though. Mostly because of position.

 

Deng can be replaced easier because the league (and college) is full of guys 6'5"-6'9". But for a team that's on the verge of contending for a championship, it will be easier to get by without Noah than without Deng. The NBA is a wing oriented league. The only true dominant C in the league is Dwight Howard with Brook Lopez having an argument, but from the outside looking in at the league's elite. And Mr. Howard has 0 rings to show for his effort and only 1 legit shot at a ring. While Noah does several things to help this team, I think you can get similar defense, rebounding, blocks, and energy from guys who could realistically be available like Camby, Okafor, Nene, or Dalembert. I don't see any SFs realistically available that can replace Deng, even if it's just to make up the difference between what is lost from going from Deng to Ellis.

[DivineBovine]

Let the Dwight Howard sweepstakes begin. He just announced he won't sign an extension and he will reconsider wanting to stay if they don't improve the team.

[gflore34]

Could it be as easy as getting Rose someone else the opposition has to guard? I'm convinced if the Bulls had a Jamal Crawford they'd beaten Miami, the Heat wouldn't have been able to completely ignore the SG. They wouldn't have been to double team Rose with Wade and James nor sag into the paint to cut off Rose' paths to the hoop.