2011 Chicago Bulls Offseason thread

[Banedon]

Time to move along. Not tons to post yet, but Keith Bogans underwent arthoscopic knee surgery to clean up some wear and tear.

[New York Cubs Fan]

Let's get Dwight Howard.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

no chance of that actually happening

[WrigleyField 22]

SG targets:

 

RFA:

Arron Afflalo

Marcus Thorton

Reggie Williams

Wilson Chandler

Nick Young

Marco Belinelli

 

UFA:

Jamal Crawford

Jason Richardson

Vince Carter (if waived, likely)

JR Smith

Delonte West

Marquis Daniels

Rip Hamilton (if bought out)

 

Draft:

Klay Thomspon (trade up)

Alec Burks (trade up)

Marshon Brooks

Josh Selby

Charles Jenkins

Malcolm Lee

Bojan Bogdanovic

David Lighty

Nolan Smith

 

Trades(speculative):

OJ Mayo

Courtney Lee

Stephen Jackson

Ben Gordon

[wolf stansson]

More like: RIP, Hamilton. Hahahaha.

[WrigleyField 22]

More like: RIP, Hamilton. Hahahaha.

Ha.

 

I agree, but was just being all inclusive.

 

I'd rank the options as follows

 

Crawford

Afflalo (will get matched)

Mayo (if Memphis will trade with us)

SJax (if available)

Thorton (will get matched)

Richardson

Smith

Chandler (will prob get matched)

Lee (not giving up Asik or Taj)

West

Williams (maybe matched)

Hamilton (only for the min salary)

Give up

 

Draft guys I don't even consider as filling the hole. Not that I wouldn't draft them if they were BPA, but not counting on them to upgrade the SG spot.

[Old Style]

JIMMER!

[Banedon]

More like: RIP, Hamilton. Hahahaha.

Ha.

 

I agree, but was just being all inclusive.

 

I'd rank the options as follows

 

Crawford

Afflalo (will get matched)

Mayo (if Memphis will trade with us)

SJax (if available)

Thorton (will get matched)

Richardson

Smith

Chandler (will prob get matched)

Lee (not giving up Asik or Taj)

West

Williams (maybe matched)

Hamilton (only for the min salary)

Give up

 

Draft guys I don't even consider as filling the hole. Not that I wouldn't draft them if they were BPA, but not counting on them to upgrade the SG spot.

 

Is your ranking based on realistically who we might get? Or who you want the most? I'd really like to end up with Richardson. I don't know how that would happen, unfortunately.

[WrigleyField 22]

More like: RIP, Hamilton. Hahahaha.

Ha.

 

I agree, but was just being all inclusive.

 

I'd rank the options as follows

 

Crawford

Afflalo (will get matched)

Mayo (if Memphis will trade with us)

SJax (if available)

Thorton (will get matched)

Richardson

Smith

Chandler (will prob get matched)

Lee (not giving up Asik or Taj)

West

Williams (maybe matched)

Hamilton (only for the min salary)

Give up

 

Draft guys I don't even consider as filling the hole. Not that I wouldn't draft them if they were BPA, but not counting on them to upgrade the SG spot.

 

Is your ranking based on realistically who we might get? Or who you want the most? I'd really like to end up with Richardson. I don't know how that would happen, unfortunately.

Just who I'd want most based on fit and skill. Pretty much all the RFA guys you can strike off the realistic list because they'll be matched. Trade target guys are pretty much speculative and it would of course depend on asset cost to acquire (as well as salary cost for FA)

 

My realistic-based list:

 

Jamal Crawford (3-4 years at 6-7/year)

OJ Mayo (Salary filler-Bogans,Pargo,Lucas, & picks, incl Charlotte pick- would maybe consider Asik instead of Char pick)

SJax (if available, something like Brewer & Watson- provide Charlotte salary relief in 12/13)

Jason Richardson (3 years, 5-6 per)

JR Smith (3 Years, 4-5 per)

Chandler (Probably matched, but 4-5 years, 6-7 per)

West (2 Years 2-3 per)

Williams (maybe matched, but 3-4 year, 4 per)

Hamilton (only for the min salary)

[SouthSideRyan]

I think you're low on virtually all your salary estimations, as well as what it would take to get Mayo. Obvious caveat based on the new CBA.

[Formerly Snayke]

Crawford, Smith and having Boozer sent to Guantanamo seems like the right way to go.

 

EDIT: Never mind on Smith. I forgot the Bulls already have something like eight guards.

[WrigleyField 22]

I think you're low on virtually all your salary estimations, as well as what it would take to get Mayo. Obvious caveat based on the new CBA.

Well yea, its a pretty huge caveat though.

 

Keep in mind though, using the 10/11 MLE figure with Max raises come out to the following per year averages for 5, 4, and 3 year deals respectively:

$6,687,400.00 --- $6,456,800.00 --- $6,226,200.00

 

If we assumed similar rules, we'd need S&T's to get any of those guys more than the MLE. I personally think most of those guys aren't worth the Full MLE, but they will get it if the market dictates it.

 

Of course with new rules, salaries could be cut up to 20% and the new average salary may be something like $5M.

[rawaction]

SG targets:

 

RFA:

Arron Afflalo

Marcus Thorton

Reggie Williams

Wilson Chandler

Nick Young

Marco Belinelli

 

UFA:

Jamal Crawford

Jason Richardson

Vince Carter (if waived, likely)

JR Smith

Delonte West

Marquis Daniels

Rip Hamilton (if bought out)

 

Draft:

Klay Thomspon (trade up)

Alec Burks (trade up)

Marshon Brooks

Josh Selby

Charles Jenkins

Malcolm Lee

Bojan Bogdanovic

David Lighty

Nolan Smith

 

Trades(speculative):

OJ Mayo

Courtney Lee

Stephen Jackson

Ben Gordon

 

Mayo would be ideal, IMO. He's also a really good defensive player. Afflalo would be very intriguing also. Really would like Alec Burks in the draft, but that's not happening.

 

A lot of those guys are just shooters. If the goal is someone to create his own shot then the list is severely limited.

[apete6]

What about Monta Ellis? Would GS and their new GM, Jerry West, deal him?

 

Would Noah and a few #1 picks be enough to get him?

 

Rose, Ellis, Deng, Boozer, Asik

 

Taj, Thomas still on the bench for the frontcourt

 

Still have Brewer and Korver as well.

[Flames24Rulz]

Who has legitimately speculated about a possible trade for Gordon? I don't see how that's going to happen with the money he's owed over the duration of his deal with Detroit.

[Flames24Rulz]

Would GS and their new GM, Jerry West, deal him?

 

Would Noah and a few #1 picks be enough to get him?

 

Rose, Ellis, Deng, Boozer, Asik

 

Taj, Thomas still on the bench for the frontcourt

 

Still have Brewer and Korver as well.

 

Yes and probably yes.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Mayo would be ideal, IMO. He's also a really good defensive player. Afflalo would be very intriguing also. Really would like Alec Burks in the draft, but that's not happening.

 

A lot of those guys are just shooters. If the goal is someone to create his own shot then the list is severely limited.

We really need both. Obviously a guy who excels at both is not going to be attainable, but they need to meet a minimum expectation in both. Throwing a number on it, 34% from 3 while equally adept from midrange is the minimum you'd want to see from a shooting perspective. Shot creator isn't something you can put a number on, but you'd hope he's at least Watson level shot creator.

[rawaction]

 

Mayo would be ideal, IMO. He's also a really good defensive player. Afflalo would be very intriguing also. Really would like Alec Burks in the draft, but that's not happening.

 

A lot of those guys are just shooters. If the goal is someone to create his own shot then the list is severely limited.

We really need both. Obviously a guy who excels at both is not going to be attainable, but they need to meet a minimum expectation in both. Throwing a number on it, 34% from 3 while equally adept from midrange is the minimum you'd want to see from a shooting perspective. Shot creator isn't something you can put a number on, but you'd hope he's at least Watson level shot creator.

 

I don't think the need for another shooter is that great. Korver, Deng, Watson, and Rose (assuming more improvement) is enough along with another also ran like Bogans getting minutes here and there if necessary.

 

I think you need a guy to create his shot more. So, if you run into the Heat Lebron can't take away the entire creativity of the offense by guarding Rose.

[WrigleyField 22]

I agree mostly, but we don't want a Ronnie Brewer level shooter either. I don't think 34% is that much to ask for a 2G to hit from 3 (along with being a good playmaker obviously).

[Formerly Snayke]

What about Monta Ellis? Would GS and their new GM, Jerry West, deal him?

 

Smart thinking. Never mind on the Crawford stuff -- I want the Bulls to go after Ellis.

[WrigleyField 22]

What about Monta Ellis? Would GS and their new GM, Jerry West, deal him?

 

Smart thinking. Never mind on the Crawford stuff -- I want the Bulls to go after Ellis.

Ellis will cost more assets and money than Crawford, which is something to think about.

 

Ford threw out Deng for Ellis, which I would not do.

[wolf stansson]

Ellis will cost more assets and money than Crawford, which is something to think about.

Another thing to think about is that Monta Ellis is about as a bad a fit you can find for Derrick's style. Dominates the ball, takes too many shots, high usage rate etc.

[apete6]

Ellis will cost more assets and money than Crawford, which is something to think about.

Another thing to think about is that Monta Ellis is about as a bad a fit you can find for Derrick's style. Dominates the ball, takes too many shots, high usage rate etc.

 

Isn't that what everyone said about LeBron and Wade?

[WrigleyField 22]

Ellis will cost more assets and money than Crawford, which is something to think about.

Another thing to think about is that Monta Ellis is about as a bad a fit you can find for Derrick's style. Dominates the ball, takes too many shots, high usage rate etc.

He does that now, but I think the expectation is that his role will change when he is next to the MVP of the league. Sure he may dominate the ball a bit from Curry, but Curry is not Derrick Rose.

 

And those skills of his that allow him to do that will be a great asset for when Derrick is out of the game or teams double Derrick hard.

 

Maybe Ellis is a cancer who will try and take away from Rose, but I don't think its totally unprecented for a player to change their role to accomodate the better player. It's a chance some would take.

[wolf stansson]

Ellis will cost more assets and money than Crawford, which is something to think about.

Another thing to think about is that Monta Ellis is about as a bad a fit you can find for Derrick's style. Dominates the ball, takes too many shots, high usage rate etc.

 

Isn't that what everyone said about LeBron and Wade?

LeBron's one of the best passers in NBA history.

[imb]

Ellis will cost more assets and money than Crawford, which is something to think about.

Another thing to think about is that Monta Ellis is about as a bad a fit you can find for Derrick's style. Dominates the ball, takes too many shots, high usage rate etc.

 

Yeah, can't have two Roses in the backcourt.