Cubs Acquire Garza for Archer, Lee, Guyer, Chirinos & Fuld

[Guest]

Isn't Lee supposed to be some sort of uber-prospect, or am I mistaken?

 

Lee has a ton of potential, but he's a bit of a lottery ticket at this point. Super young and very raw coming from Korea. He can be as good as he wants to be with the glove, but he's error-prone right now. He has quick hands, a little pop, and 80 speed at the plate, but his results and slashing approach at the plate haven't had much in the way of results. If there's a top prospect in the system that we'd want to trade, it's Lee. His spot is blocked for a long while by Castro; SS is a crowded position in our system with guys like Lake, Flaherty, Barney, even LeMahieu(although none of those guys are "pure" SS like Lee); and his prospect status outstrips his production thus far.

[Tryptamine]

I wouldn't call Hak-Ju Lee an impact bat, but his all around game is enough to have a big impact. He could be a guy who hits 290-300 with a 350-360 OBP, steals an enormous amount bases and plays extremely strong defense at SS. Even after TJS he has a cannon for an arm and his range is huge. If the Cubs absolutely must keep Castro at SS then they could always move Lee to CF.

[Guest]

Isn't Lee supposed to be some sort of uber-prospect, or am I mistaken?

 

He's supposed to be good enough with the glove to move Castro to 2nd when he's major league ready. I'm not sure how his bat projects at this point, however.

 

Think I'd rather leave Castro at SS and get a bat at 2B.

 

Yeah, that could be an interesting situation if/when it comes up. If Castro is an all star, how well does he respond to being moved to a new position?

[Dallas Green]

Not sure where Levine is coming up with his info. since he seems to be the only one hot on this rumor, but found the following snippet at the bottom of recent article from Verducci of SI discussing the Crawford signing......

 

The Cubs inquired about pitcher Matt Garza from the Rays, but when Tampa Bay asked about Colvin and Sean Marshall, the talks went nowhere

.

 

 

Levine is about the only reporter that JH gives info to. So I tend to trust all his stuff.

[davell]

If you look at this deal from Tampa's side of things, you'd think they are trying to free up a spot in the rotstion for Hellickson. Currently, they have Price/Garza/Shields/Niemann/Davis in their rotation, with Hellickson ready to go and Matt Moore not being all that far away himself.

 

They just dealt Bartlett away, so I guess they're planning on using Brignac or Sean Rodriguez as their everyday SS for 2011? I think those 2 were platooned at 2B last year for them.

 

The big rumor with Tampa was that they were going to try and cut their payroll to 50 million or less this offseason, from the 70+ million they spent in 2010. But, with losing Crawford, Pena, Balfour, Soriano, Wheeler, Navarro and Bartlett already, they're well on their way to a 30 million dollar payroll for 2011, with no additions. In the end, my guess is they move one of their starters to being their closer, unless they're bowled over by an offer for Garza or Shields.

[Guest]

Maybe Hendry is working one of his patented 3 way deals where he gets Chris Davis, Garza and Michael Young and payroll relief while giving up prospects and Fukudome.

[davell]

Assuming we're only adding one SP, the Cubs have to be debating over Webb's medicals versus what they've got to give up to add Garza. If Webb's healthy enough, it's a no-brainer to add him and not give up whatever prospects the Rays want, in order to get Garza.

[erik316wttn]

I do want Garza, but I don't know if I want him badly enough to trade Lee for him.

[mookie]

Maybe Hendry is working one of his patented 3 way deals where he gets Chris Davis, Garza and Michael Young and payroll relief while giving up prospects and Fukudome.

 

B2B is Jim Hendry. Hmmm. Go figure...

[dew1679666265]

In previous years, he had tons of money to throw at people to improve his club. He doesn't have that this year, and that I think he's a poor decision maker in general, I don't trust him to not give up that much talent for someone like Garza.

 

I do like Garza and I would love to see him added to the rotation. If Hendry can get him without giving up too much in talent, I'll owe him an apology. Considering there are other teams interested and Hendry is winning the most interest, and considering what Tampa expects to be paid, I'm not comfortable with this.

 

In those previous years, he's made trades, though, and most of those trades haven't seen us overpay. In fact, Hendry's been pretty good at getting good value in trades (Gorz, Nomar, Lee, Aramis, Harden, etc).

 

If there's one thing I trust Hendry to do well as a GM, it's making trades. Unless he gets truly enamored with a player like he did with Pierre. I'm just hoping that doesn't happen here.

[Guest]

I do want Garza, but I don't know if I want him badly enough to trade Lee for him.

 

For the reasons TT outlined, now would be a good time to trade Lee but you have to think there is better value at a position of need than Matt Garza.

[Clem Fandango]

I do want Garza, but I don't know if I want him badly enough to trade Lee for him.

 

For the reasons TT outlined, now would be a good time to trade Lee but you have to think there is better value at a position of need than Matt Garza.

 

Kevin Slowey is available, but he's worse than Garza... but there were some rumblings that some teams also called on the Twins for Francisco Liriano and the word was they don't have a reason to move him (which is true), but I wonder if they are open to the idea. Anyone who has dealt with me in Fantasy Baseball knows I value Liriano more than any other player in baseball so I'm a bit biased, but if he could be had I'd try and see what it would take to pry him away

[erik316wttn]

I do want Garza, but I don't know if I want him badly enough to trade Lee for him.

 

For the reasons TT outlined, now would be a good time to trade Lee but you have to think there is better value at a position of need than Matt Garza.

 

TT made some good points, but mine was that Lee could bring more value than just Garza if we're going to trade him.

[abuck1220]

I do want Garza, but I don't know if I want him badly enough to trade Lee for him.

 

For the reasons TT outlined, now would be a good time to trade Lee but you have to think there is better value at a position of need than Matt Garza.

 

Kevin Slowey is available, but he's worse than Garza... but there were some rumblings that some teams also called on the Twins for Francisco Liriano and the word was they don't have a reason to move him (which is true), but I wonder if they are open to the idea. Anyone who has dealt with me in Fantasy Baseball knows I value Liriano more than any other player in baseball so I'm a bit biased, but if he could be had I'd try and see what it would take to pry him away

 

slightly off topic, but i would like to get into a fantasy baseball league with you that involves money.

[Clem Fandango]

I do want Garza, but I don't know if I want him badly enough to trade Lee for him.

 

For the reasons TT outlined, now would be a good time to trade Lee but you have to think there is better value at a position of need than Matt Garza.

 

Kevin Slowey is available, but he's worse than Garza... but there were some rumblings that some teams also called on the Twins for Francisco Liriano and the word was they don't have a reason to move him (which is true), but I wonder if they are open to the idea. Anyone who has dealt with me in Fantasy Baseball knows I value Liriano more than any other player in baseball so I'm a bit biased, but if he could be had I'd try and see what it would take to pry him away

 

slightly off topic, but i would like to get into a fantasy baseball league with you that involves money.

 

It's not like I draft him in the first round you presumptuous dolt.

 

That being said it's not hard to defeat me in fantasy baseball. I tend to put too much faith in young, unproven players in hopes that they have break out seasons.

[David]

You have to be a presumptuous dolt to think you would draft the player you value over anybody in baseball in the first round?

[mookie]

I do want Garza, but I don't know if I want him badly enough to trade Lee for him.

 

For the reasons TT outlined, now would be a good time to trade Lee but you have to think there is better value at a position of need than Matt Garza.

 

Kevin Slowey is available, but he's worse than Garza... but there were some rumblings that some teams also called on the Twins for Francisco Liriano and the word was they don't have a reason to move him (which is true), but I wonder if they are open to the idea. Anyone who has dealt with me in Fantasy Baseball knows I value Liriano more than any other player in baseball so I'm a bit biased, but if he could be had I'd try and see what it would take to pry him away

 

slightly off topic, but i would like to get into a fantasy baseball league with you that involves money.

 

It's not like I draft him in the first round you presumptuous dolt.

 

That being said it's not hard to defeat me in fantasy baseball. I tend to put too much faith in young, unproven players in hopes that they have break out seasons.

 

I thought I was the only one.

[SouthSideRyan]

You guys are the type to draft Josh Donaldson in the 5th round.

[Clem Fandango]

You have to be a presumptuous dolt to think you would draft the player you value over anybody in baseball in the first round?

 

It's called exaggeration. People around here tend to read things literally

[erik316wttn]

You have to be a presumptuous dolt to think you would draft the player you value over anybody in baseball in the first round?

 

It's called exaggeration. People around here tend to read things literally

 

You can say that again.

[Sammy Sofa]

Good Lord, stop [expletive] crying all the time like somebody ate all the pies before you could.

[erik316wttn]

Good Lord, stop [expletive] crying all the time like somebody ate all the pies before you could.

 

Wow. A fat joke. How very original.

 

Once again I have been defeated by your rapier wit and razor sharp intellect. Whatever shall I do?

 

And I'm actually more of a brownie man, fyi.

 

I was just making a little social commentary, not complaining.

 

Anyway: Garza! Woo!

Edited December 9, 2010 by erik316wttn

[David]

Good Lord, stop [expletive] crying all the time like somebody ate all the pies before you could.

 

rofl hahahahaha

[Bote McBoteface]

So, am I the only one who would jump all over Marshall and Colvin for Garza?

[dew1679666265]

For what it's worth, a slight take from Bruce Miles on the Garza talks:

 

I haven’t been too hot on the Matt Garza rumors. Writer Marc Topkin from St. Pete wrote that Rays manager Joe Maddon said, "Matt Garza will be pitching for us.”

 

Yes, the Cubs do have some interest, but the Rays may be asking too much.