Bears game 6: Sunday Oct. 17 vs SEA on FOX

[rawaction]

See I don't think they should be trying to salvage something out of him. People keep bringing up Gallery w/ the Raiders, but he went from a bad LT to being a league average LG at best. That reeks of a guy getting every chance to play only because he was picked in the 1st round. If he can't play, he can't play. You can get a potential above average OG in the 2nd round. You can get another guy w/ a shot to be a franchise LT in the 1st.

 

If the move to LG is an indictment on Williams, it has taken 2 1/4 years to realize he's not the LT of the future. I don't want to waste another 2 1/4 just to find out he's an OK guard, which is all he's likely to be anyway.

[rawaction]

 

I've accepted that they aren't solving the OLine until Angelo is gone. He'll never pull that area of the team together. He thoroughly sucks at it and he's not going to suddenly get better.

 

It's hard to say he sucks at something he doesn't do. That's like saying I suck at ice skating. Well, I've never put any effort into trying to ice skate. Angelo hasn't put any effort into trying to solve the OL.

[UMFan83]

Does this scare the crap out of anyone else besides me?

 

But there is reason to be concerned about future concussions for Jay Cutler, whose reported history shows he's susceptible to them.

 

Cutler denied having previous concussions, but a Nov. 13, 2004, story in the Tennessean said he suffered three concussions playing at Vanderbilt. He suffered another in the Broncos' 2006 season finale at San Francisco, making the hit against the Giants — and he's not positive it came on the final sack by nickel cornerback Aaron Ross that knocked his head into the turf — Cutler's fifth known concussion.

 

I had no idea that he had 4 other concussions in his career. How many did Steve Young have until he was basically mentally unable to play anymore?

[jersey cubs fan]

Does this scare the crap out of anyone else besides me?

 

But there is reason to be concerned about future concussions for Jay Cutler, whose reported history shows he's susceptible to them.

 

Cutler denied having previous concussions, but a Nov. 13, 2004, story in the Tennessean said he suffered three concussions playing at Vanderbilt. He suffered another in the Broncos' 2006 season finale at San Francisco, making the hit against the Giants — and he's not positive it came on the final sack by nickel cornerback Aaron Ross that knocked his head into the turf — Cutler's fifth known concussion.

 

I had no idea that he had 4 other concussions in his career. How many did Steve Young have until he was basically mentally unable to play anymore?

 

Most concussions go unreported. I don't think it's all that noteworthy that there are newspaper articles referring to previous ones. My fear for Cutler's future as the Bears quarterback lies on the weakness of the offensive line, not his history of concussions.

[UMFan83]

Does this scare the crap out of anyone else besides me?

 

But there is reason to be concerned about future concussions for Jay Cutler, whose reported history shows he's susceptible to them.

 

Cutler denied having previous concussions, but a Nov. 13, 2004, story in the Tennessean said he suffered three concussions playing at Vanderbilt. He suffered another in the Broncos' 2006 season finale at San Francisco, making the hit against the Giants — and he's not positive it came on the final sack by nickel cornerback Aaron Ross that knocked his head into the turf — Cutler's fifth known concussion.

 

I had no idea that he had 4 other concussions in his career. How many did Steve Young have until he was basically mentally unable to play anymore?

 

Most concussions go unreported. I don't think it's all that noteworthy that there are newspaper articles referring to previous ones. My fear for Cutler's future as the Bears quarterback lies on the weakness of the offensive line, not his history of concussions.

 

Yeah but you can't keep suffering concussions and expect to be fine after some rest. Eventually it effects you mentally. I'm not saying I'm worried about Cutler now, I'm just worried that he's already had 5 reported and who knows how many unreported. With the Bears O-line he could potentially have another this year.

[Soul]

 

I've accepted that they aren't solving the OLine until Angelo is gone. He'll never pull that area of the team together. He thoroughly sucks at it and he's not going to suddenly get better.

 

It's hard to say he sucks at something he doesn't do. That's like saying I suck at ice skating. Well, I've never put any effort into trying to ice skate. Angelo hasn't put any effort into trying to solve the OL.

 

Hehe, ok. He's not putting on his OLine study glasses any time soon; I think that's pretty clear. It is to me anyway.

[JonJayCutler]

I'll take Jay's word for it that it was his first concussion, at least his first significant concussion. If nothing he suffered in the past was worthy of mentioning until now, then I wouldn't worry about it. Steve Young was getting lambasted on a regular basis, which was largely due to his frequent scrambling. That's not what's happening to Cutler...yet.

[Magnetic Curses]

wasn't leonard davis drafted as a left tackle and moved to guard before playing a game then moved to left tackle and then back to guard? at this point, i'd be more than happy if he became leonard davis.

 

if he stays at guard, then you have to go best LT on the board in the draft.

[rawaction]

wasn't leonard davis drafted as a left tackle and moved to guard before playing a game then moved to left tackle and then back to guard? at this point, i'd be more than happy if he became leonard davis.

 

if he stays at guard, then you have to go best LT on the board in the draft.

 

The problem I have with that is that I don't like this LT class, and I think whoever the Bears draft (especiallly since it appears it will be in the 20s) is going to be similar to Chris Williams, decent prospect but not a franchise type guy like Oher, Clady, Joe Thomas, Jake Long. Plus, I think you can get a OG like Pouncey, Wisnewski, or Hudson in the 2nd round who are likely to be better than Williams at guard.

 

Granted you can still go LT and OG in the 1st and 2nd, because you still need a RG if Williams sticks, but I don't know that Williams at LG is the most efficient way to get this OL to being league average or better.

[Guest]

Yeah, OT is probably going to suck in this draft and I like the late 1st/2nd round guards more. Oh well, the Bears need both a T and a G (and a C).

[Guest]

I'll take Jay's word for it that it was his first concussion, at least his first significant concussion. If nothing he suffered in the past was worthy of mentioning until now, then I wouldn't worry about it. Steve Young was getting lambasted on a regular basis, which was largely due to his frequent scrambling. That's not what's happening to Cutler...yet.

 

If he's had 5 previous concussions and he doesn't remember any of them...............

 

 

 

 

I'd say there is no possible way that they didn't actually not happen!

[davell]

If I'm Angelo(or preferrably someone else) I'd try to draft offensive line help in both the 1st and 2nd rounds this year AND go after one free agent starter as well. The fact that the class looks weak doesn't help this cause though, although I definitely agree that there should be a very solid starting guard type waiting for us in round 2. Haven't looked at all at possible free agents next year(assuming there's a season) but it's been making me wonder why we haven't appeared to have inquired on Mankins? In an uncapped year where we're off to a very solid start and the line is clearly the biggest issue we have, it seems like a no-brainer that we'd be interested in him.......

[Flames24Rulz]

I'll take Jay's word for it that it was his first concussion, at least his first significant concussion. If nothing he suffered in the past was worthy of mentioning until now, then I wouldn't worry about it. Steve Young was getting lambasted on a regular basis, which was largely due to his frequent scrambling. That's not what's happening to Cutler...yet.

 

If he's had 5 previous concussions and he doesn't remember any of them...............

 

 

 

 

I'd say there is no possible way that they didn't actually not happen!

 

Not the most credible source in the world, but Boers and Bernstein were talking about a Sports Illustrated article from when Cutler was at Vanderbilt. There was one specific game against TCU where he said he was going to the huddle, not knowing what he was talking about, and was calling the wrong plays.

 

There was a game in 2006, when he was with Denver, where he burned three second-half timeouts on one drive very early in the second half. He said that he didn't remember a whole lot about that game either.

 

I highly doubt that this is his first concussion if that evidence is actually true.

[Magnetic Curses]

I'll take Jay's word for it that it was his first concussion, at least his first significant concussion. If nothing he suffered in the past was worthy of mentioning until now, then I wouldn't worry about it. Steve Young was getting lambasted on a regular basis, which was largely due to his frequent scrambling. That's not what's happening to Cutler...yet.

 

If he's had 5 previous concussions and he doesn't remember any of them...............

 

 

 

 

I'd say there is no possible way that they didn't actually not happen!

 

Not the most credible source in the world, but Boers and Bernstein were talking about a Sports Illustrated article from when Cutler was at Vanderbilt. There was one specific game against TCU where he said he was going to the huddle, not knowing what he was talking about, and was calling the wrong plays.

 

There was a game in 2006, when he was with Denver, where he burned three second-half timeouts on one drive very early in the second half. He said that he didn't remember a whole lot about that game either.

 

I highly doubt that this is his first concussion if that evidence is actually true.

 

welcome to the world of quarterback concussions!

[rawaction]

If I'm Angelo(or preferrably someone else) I'd try to draft offensive line help in both the 1st and 2nd rounds this year AND go after one free agent starter as well. The fact that the class looks weak doesn't help this cause though, although I definitely agree that there should be a very solid starting guard type waiting for us in round 2. Haven't looked at all at possible free agents next year(assuming there's a season) but it's been making me wonder why we haven't appeared to have inquired on Mankins? In an uncapped year where we're off to a very solid start and the line is clearly the biggest issue we have, it seems like a no-brainer that we'd be interested in him.......

 

Yeah, especially being off to such a good start. I would have thought Mankins would have been an easy trade target, assuming the Pats asking price wasn't too high.

 

As for the draft, I'd probably go OL twice by the 4th round at latest, preferably by 3rd. I don't know if they can go OL 1-2, considering other needs (DL) and the fact that you can typically find starting potential players at every OL spot except for LT in rounds 2-4.

[UMFan83]

 

There was a game in 2006, when he was with Denver, where he burned three second-half timeouts on one drive very early in the second half. He said that he didn't remember a whole lot about that game either.

 

I wanted to see that for myself....Week 17 of 2006 against SF.

 

So here is the setup. On the first drive of the 2nd quarter of the game, Jay Cutler is sacked on a play that is eventually flagged for an illegal contact penalty. Jake Plummer comes in to finish the series, and plays the rest of the half. Jay Cutler returns to start the 3rd and promptly throws a Pick 6 on his first possession. The next possession is detailed below:

 

 

Denver Broncos at 6:25, (1st play from scrimmage 6:16) SFO DEN 
1st and 10 at 50 (6:16) J.Cutler pass short left to R.Smith pushed ob at SF 35 for 15 yards (S.Spencer).     
1st and 10 at SF 35 (5:44) J.Cutler pass short left to T.Scheffler pushed ob at SF 19 for 16 yards (K.Lewis).     
1st and 10 at SF 19 (5:17) PENALTY on DEN-T.Bell, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at SF 19 - No Play.     
1st and 15 at SF 24 (4:57) J.Cutler pass incomplete deep left to T.Scheffler.     
 Timeout #1 by DEN at 04:51.     
2nd and 15 at SF 24 (4:51) J.Cutler pass short left to R.Smith pushed ob at SF 14 for 10 yards (W.Harris).     
3rd and 5 at SF 14 (4:18) (Shotgun) J.Cutler pass short right to R.Smith to SF 4 for 10 yards (S.Spencer).     
 Timeout #2 by DEN at 03:37.     
1st and 4 at SF 4 (3:37) M.Bell right guard to SF 5 for -1 yards (M.Douglas; B.Moore).     
2nd and 5 at SF 5 (2:51) J.Cutler sacked at SF 14 for -9 yards (M.Roman).     
 Timeout #3 by DEN at 02:16.     
3rd and 14 at SF 14 (2:16) (Shotgun) J.Cutler pass short left to J.Walker pushed ob at SF 4 for 10 yards (M.Roman).     
4th and 4 at SF 4 (1:48) J.Elam 22 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-M.Leach, Holder-J.Plummer. 17 16 
 P.Ernster kicks 59 yards from DEN 30 to SF 11. M.Hicks to SF 31 for 20 yards (N.Jackson).     
DRIVE TOTALS: SF 17 DEN 16, 9 plays, 46 yards, 4:40 drive, 13:15 elapsed 
San Francisco 49ers at 1:45, (1st play from scrimmage 1:39) 

 

I don't know if a ton of things scream "He's concussed" other than the timeouts (3 of them in a 5 play span), and all of the passes but 1 being short passes. They certainly didn't run the ball to ease him back into the game.

 

After that here is how the rest of the drives in the game went:

 

1. Completed short pass that was fumbled away on the 2nd play of the drive

2. Three incompletions and a punt

3. A TD drive comprised completely of short passes

4. 2 short passes up the middle, 3 straight rushes and a punt

5. A drive where he went 2-5 for 7 total yards and a punt.

 

Game over.

[JonJayCutler]

Even if Cutler has indeed had 4 previous concussions, I'm still not worried. This is football. Concussions happen. If we're talking about the mild variety, I'd have a hard time believing there is a QB in the NFL who hasn't experienced one. Does a history of concussions make Cutler more likely to be concussed again? Maybe, but I don't see it is as career-threatening as long as he doesn't suffer any severe season-ending concussions like Trent Green went through.

[SouthSideRyan]

5 concussions in a career is definitely something to worry about

[javy knows my name]

5 concussions in a career is definitely something to worry about

An acquaintance of mine from HS, Alex Kanellis, signed with Iowa as a DT and played maybe half a season at the college level. Between HS and college, he had amassed 7-8 concussions and he had to retire for fear of permanent brain damage. At age 19.

 

This is a big deal.

[mhuber92211]

As the resident Seahawks fan on the board, I will Take the Seahawks and the points this weekend. Marshawn Lynch will help and 2 big plays downfield from Hasselbeck will seal the game. 2 INT from Cutler will help too

[Magnetic Curses]

if opposing fans were movie villains, this week's would be mama fratelli.

[JonJayCutler]

Again, it depends totally on the severity of the concussions he's suffered, and I've read nothing that suggests any of his concussions were severe (which would involve losing consciousness). There are 3 grades of concussions...

[UMFan83]

As the resident Seahawks fan on the board, I will Take the Seahawks and the points this weekend. Marshawn Lynch will help and 2 big plays downfield from Hasselbeck will seal the game. 2 INT from Cutler will help too

 

Heh remember when we beat Seattle in the playoffs the year after the refs screwed you guys out of a super bowl title?

 

Yeahthat was fun.

[Magnetic Curses]

As the resident Seahawks fan on the board, I will Take the Seahawks and the points this weekend. Marshawn Lynch will help and 2 big plays downfield from Hasselbeck will seal the game. 2 INT from Cutler will help too

 

Heh remember when we beat Seattle in the playoffs the year after the refs screwed you guys out of a super bowl title?

 

Yeahthat was fun.

 

don't forget that we humiliated them early in that season as well.

[BigSlick]

beating the Seahawks in those hideous limegreen uniforms was also one of the few highlights from last year

 

i hope we do it again

 

heres an image a friend of mine made after that game in 2006 when Tillman really messed up coverage (the receiver dropped the ball anyway)

 

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-ash1/v62/69/118/1949429/n1949429_34800795_9735.jpg