Ramirez Injury Thread

[dew1679666265]

Right, but the more time he has, the more rehab he can do, the more strength he can build.

 

 

If the Cubs were over .500, not hitting like a girls softball team, and not about to face the Cardinals, I do not think he would be back until after the ASB. I think this decision is being made based on things other than what is best for the return of Aramis Ramirez.

 

I think you're assuming a lot there. His shoulder is sore, but he's been taking BP without any real issues. Getting ABs in 4-5 games before the ASB may also get him closer to game shape and, thus, performing at the best he'll perform the rest of the season.

 

If you hold him out just for the sake of holding him out, it'll likely take him longer after the break to start hitting.

[CubColtPacer]

The likelihood is that 10 more days of rest would do absolutely nothing for Ramirez. The only thing that would probably help him now is surgery, and he's not going to get that until after the year.

 

That is not at all the likelihood. 10 more days is much more likely to help than not help. It's 10 more days, but only 6 more games. They are going to cut short potential rehab time by a week and a half just to get him in 4 or 5 more games.

 

That's your opinion and it's all based on where exactly Ramirez is in his rehab. How long do you think it is before his rehab wouldn't help him at all? Because he is going to reach that point in recovering from his injury. You build the strength you can, but it's still going to have problems because it's still broken.

 

Personally, I believe that taking batting practice consistently shows that he's there. If you believe he's not, how long do you think it will take to get there? 10 days? 20? A month?

 

I don't want Ramirez coming back with any higher chance of reinjuring the shoulder just for a few games in the middle of the year. I don't believe that's the case here though. I think his chances would be just as high in 10 days as it will be now so holding him out would be absolutely pointless.

[Keener98]

Reed Johnson supposedly coming off the DL Monday, and Angel Guzman is expected also. So Monday we have 3 roster moves to make. Im guessing Hart, Fox, and Fuld go down.

[Sammy Sofa]

Reed Johnson supposedly coming off the DL Monday, and Angel Guzman is expected also. So Monday we have 3 roster moves to make. Im guessing Hart, Fox, and Fuld go down.

 

What's a realistic alternative that keeps Fox up here? Soriano to the DL? Something involving Patton?

[Keener98]

Reed Johnson supposedly coming off the DL Monday, and Angel Guzman is expected also. So Monday we have 3 roster moves to make. Im guessing Hart, Fox, and Fuld go down.

 

What's a realistic alternative that keeps Fox up here? Soriano to the DL? Something involving Patton?

 

 

Soriano was on TV saying he feels good, so I dont think there is any chance hes DL'd. I think the only way Fox gets to stay is if the Cubs finally cut their ties with Patton and the 12 pitchers. Fox has more chance of helping us the next 11 games against Milw, Atl, and Stl then Patton does. Our starting pitchers lead the majors in QS, and the bullpen has thrown either the least amount of innings in the majors or near the least. Carrying 12 pitchers is absurd when you need offense like this team does.

[Sammy Sofa]

Reed Johnson supposedly coming off the DL Monday, and Angel Guzman is expected also. So Monday we have 3 roster moves to make. Im guessing Hart, Fox, and Fuld go down.

 

What's a realistic alternative that keeps Fox up here? Soriano to the DL? Something involving Patton?

 

 

Soriano was on TV saying he feels good, so I dont think there is any chance hes DL'd. I think the only way Fox gets to stay is if the Cubs finally cut their ties with Patton and the 12 pitchers. Fox has more chance of helping us the next 11 games against Milw, Atl, and Stl then Patton does. Our starting pitchers lead the majors in QS, and the bullpen has thrown either the least amount of innings in the majors or near the least. Carrying 12 pitchers is absurd when you need offense like this team does.

 

Agreed. Here's hoping this plays out along these lines.

[Cubswin11]

Send Blanco, Fuld, and Hart down is what we could see. What we should do is release/send Patton back, send Hart down and send Blanco down that way we can keep Fuld and Fox up.

[Keener98]

Send Blanco, Fuld, and Hart down is what we could see. What we should do is release/send Patton back, send Hart down and send Blanco down that way we can keep Fuld and Fox up.

 

 

If they send Blanco down we have no backup SS.

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah, I think they'd go to 11 pitchers before having Fontenot as the backup SS.

[Cubswin11]

What about sending Koye down for the next week or so? Soto should be able to start almost every game until the ASB, except for the double header against STL next weekend. Fox can be the emergency catcher in case Soto needs to be taken out (injury) and then Hill can come up the next day if Soto needs to be out.

[E.J.]

What about sending Koye down for the next week or so? Soto should be able to start almost every game until the ASB, except for the double header against STL next weekend. Fox can be the emergency catcher in case Soto needs to be taken out (injury) and then Hill can come up the next day if Soto needs to be out.

 

Um....no. You can't have 1 catcher on the team.

[Keener98]

Yeah, I think they'd go to 11 pitchers before having Fontenot as the backup SS.

 

 

If Fox keeps hitting like this, they really cant send him down just to hold a spot for David freaking Patton can they? I could become really pissed off Monday when these transactions are announced

[Rob]

My guess...

 

Fuld, Blanco, and Hart down.

[Keener98]

My guess...

 

Fuld, Blanco, and Hart down.

 

Again, if Blanco goes down, whos the backup SS?

[RedFlash]

Ultimately Hendry and Piniella has to decide which is more important to the club: Blanco's glove or Miles contract. Can Hendry admit he made a mistake with Miles and DFA or buy him out? Blanco has a comparably bat to Miles, but he is so much better defensively then Miles. There is nothing Miles brings to the club that actually improves the club. Hendry would garner some respect by admitting his mistake with Miles and cutting ties with him.

 

The 2nd half bench should look something like this:

 

1B/OF: Hoffpauir

1b/3B/OF: Fox

Util: Blanco

Util: Baker or Fontenot, whoever is not starting.

OF: Johnson

C: Hill

 

And simply put Miles does not have a role on this team that can't be filled with someone better. So, IMO Miles is prolly on his last legs with the Cubs.

[illiniguy]

Ultimately Hendry and Piniella has to decide which is more important to the club: Blanco's glove or Miles contract. Can Hendry admit he made a mistake with Miles and DFA or buy him out? Blanco has a comparably bat to Miles, but he is so much better defensively then Miles. There is nothing Miles brings to the club that actually improves the club. Hendry would garner some respect by admitting his mistake with Miles and cutting ties with him.

 

The 2nd half bench should look something like this:

 

1B/OF: Hoffpauir

1b/3B/OF: Fox

Util: Blanco

Util: Baker or Fontenot, whoever is not starting.

OF: Johnson

C: Hill

 

And simply put Miles does not have a role on this team that can't be filled with someone better. So, IMO Miles is prolly on his last legs with the Cubs.

But even then he isn't on the 25 man right now. Thus cutting him won't really help solve keeping Fox up and still having a backup shortstop.

[dew1679666265]

Ultimately Hendry and Piniella has to decide which is more important to the club: Blanco's glove or Miles contract. Can Hendry admit he made a mistake with Miles and DFA or buy him out? Blanco has a comparably bat to Miles, but he is so much better defensively then Miles. There is nothing Miles brings to the club that actually improves the club. Hendry would garner some respect by admitting his mistake with Miles and cutting ties with him.

 

The 2nd half bench should look something like this:

 

1B/OF: Hoffpauir

1b/3B/OF: Fox

Util: Blanco

Util: Baker or Fontenot, whoever is not starting.

OF: Johnson

C: Hill

 

And simply put Miles does not have a role on this team that can't be filled with someone better. So, IMO Miles is prolly on his last legs with the Cubs.

 

The thing with cutting Miles at this point is the only result is less depth. Cutting Miles won't save the $4.9 million he's being paid and he'll likely put up similar offensive numbers to Blanco (albeit with worse defense). If Hendry cuts Miles, though, that's one less body at a position (SS) that doesn't have much depth.

 

I wasn't in favor of the Miles signing at the time or now, but Hendry cutting him just to "admit a mistake" is not the best option at this point. The money's already been spent, there's not much to be gained by cutting Miles.

[Little Slide Rooter]

My guess...

 

Fuld, Blanco, and Hart down.

 

When Aramis comes back Fox or Hoff are probably sent down or else Hendry tries to trade 1. Once Ramirez is back, theres really no reason to carry both Fox and Hoffpauir, and maybe we could get a decent middle reliever for 1 f them.

 

When Reed comes back, Im going to guess that either Fuld is sent down, or if Fuld keeps up what hes doing, they may even try to trade Reed.

 

If Baker looks ever slightly competant, when Milles is ready to return, theres absolutely no reason to keep him around, but knowing the Cubs, they'll send down Blanco.

[Soul]

No transaction to accomodate Miles.

 

Miles: DFA.

 

 

Time to eat your mistake, Jim.

[dew1679666265]

My guess...

 

Fuld, Blanco, and Hart down.

 

When Aramis comes back Fox or Hoff are probably sent down or else Hendry tries to trade 1. Once Ramirez is back, theres really no reason to carry both Fox and Hoffpauir, and maybe we could get a decent middle reliever for 1 f them.

 

When Reed comes back, Im going to guess that either Fuld is sent down, or if Fuld keeps up what hes doing, they may even try to trade Reed.

 

If Baker looks ever slightly competant, when Milles is ready to return, theres absolutely no reason to keep him around, but knowing the Cubs, they'll send down Blanco.

 

I think Reed's going to stick around because he's the right-handed portion of the center field platoon. There's no other right handed hitter on the roster who can also play center to platoon with Kosuke.

[dew1679666265]

No transaction to accomodate Miles.

 

Miles: DFA.

 

 

Time to eat your mistake, Jim.

 

Cutting him wouldn't be that beneficial. He's getting paid either way so cutting him would just lessen our depth some.

[Soul]

No transaction to accomodate Miles.

 

Miles: DFA.

 

 

Time to eat your mistake, Jim.

 

Cutting him wouldn't be that beneficial. He's getting paid either way so cutting him would just lessen our depth some.

 

What depth? I'm not seeing it. He's a bad player. Every time he takes an AB it's a net negative.

[CubColtPacer]

No transaction to accomodate Miles.

 

Miles: DFA.

 

 

Time to eat your mistake, Jim.

 

Cutting him wouldn't be that beneficial. He's getting paid either way so cutting him would just lessen our depth some.

 

What depth? I'm not seeing it. He's a bad player. Every time he takes an AB it's a net negative.

 

Miles is very unlikely to be as bad as he was so far this year for the Cubs (both because of his career numbers and the fact that he has been very unlucky so

far this year). If he hits like he did from 2004-2007 (there's almost no way we get his 2008 numbers) he'll definitely be better than Blanco offensively and would make it questionable which one the Cubs should keep (Miles for his below average offense and decent defense at second or Blanco's horrendous offense and great defense at second).

 

As long as it's questionable, I'd rather keep both of them in the organization. If you cut Miles, and then Blanco gets hurt, who are you going to bring up to play SS? The Cubs don't have a lot of great options down there.

 

Yes, Miles is a net negative. But so is every other player the Cubs would put in that spot, so the question is who is the least negative, and that might be Aaron Miles when he comes back.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

I love Blanco's defense, he is the perfect late game defensive replacement up the middle. Especially with the defensive quality of our middle infielders. He needs to have a spot on this team. I agree Miles needs to go, he is a black hole of suck who offers nothing offensively or defensively to this team.

[dew1679666265]

I love Blanco's defense, he is the perfect late game defensive replacement up the middle. Especially with the defensive quality of our middle infielders. He needs to have a spot on this team. I agree Miles needs to go, he is a black hole of suck who offers nothing offensively or defensively to this team.

 

If we could trade Miles and clear his salary, I'd be all for that.

 

But it doesn't make much sense to cut ties with depth just for the sake of doing it or "admitting a mistake."