Ramirez Injury Thread

[Little Slide Rooter]

No transaction to accomodate Miles.

 

Miles: DFA.

 

 

Time to eat your mistake, Jim.

 

Cutting him wouldn't be that beneficial. He's getting paid either way so cutting him would just lessen our depth some.

 

It all depends on what Baker does between now and when Miles is ready to return. Blanco is the only backup SS we have, at least whose an actual SS. Between Fuld, Hoff, and Fox, 2 are pobably gone be it through trade or option when Ramirez and Reed come back, and the 3rd will be around for the long run.

 

If Baker is good, then theres no reason to keep Miles around. If Baker isnt any good, then may as well let him go. Now that we know that Fox can backup Ramirez from time to time, were basically looking at a utility guy betwen Miles and Baker, but why did Jim bother with Baker to begin with if he didnt plan on at least entertaining the idea of dumping Miles?

 

You talk about depth, but Miles and Baker serve the same purpose, and no need for both. Miles only upside is that hes a switch hitter, but hes worthless from both sides.

 

Heres our depth chart when everyone returns

 

1B-Lee, Hoff/Fox

2B-Font, Baker/Miles, Blanco

SS-Theriot, Blanco

3B-Ramirez, Baker/Miles, Fox, Fontenot

RF-Bradley, Fuku, Fox/Hoff

CF-Fuku, Reed, Fuld(if around)

LF-Sori, Fuld(if around), Hoff/Fox

 

notice Baker and Miles serve the same purpose.

[dew1679666265]

No transaction to accomodate Miles.

 

Miles: DFA.

 

 

Time to eat your mistake, Jim.

 

Cutting him wouldn't be that beneficial. He's getting paid either way so cutting him would just lessen our depth some.

 

It all depends on what Baker does between now and when Miles is ready to return. Blanco is the only backup SS we have, at least whose an actual SS. Between Fuld, Hoff, and Fox, 2 are pobably gone be it through trade or option when Ramirez and Reed come back, and the 3rd will be around for the long run.

 

If Baker is good, then theres no reason to keep Miles around. If Baker isnt any good, then may as well let him go. Now that we know that Fox can backup Ramirez from time to time, were basically looking at a utility guy betwen Miles and Baker, but why did Jim bother with Baker to begin with if he didnt plan on at least entertaining the idea of dumping Miles?

 

You talk about depth, but Miles and Baker serve the same purpose, and no need for both. Miles only upside is that hes a switch hitter, but hes worthless from both sides.

 

Heres our depth chart when everyone returns

 

1B-Lee, Hoff/Fox

2B-Font, Baker/Miles, Blanco

SS-Theriot, Blanco

3B-Ramirez, Baker/Miles, Fox, Fontenot

RF-Bradley, Fuku, Fox/Hoff

CF-Fuku, Reed, Fuld(if around)

LF-Sori, Fuld(if around), Hoff/Fox

 

notice Baker and Miles serve the same purpose.

 

The idea is that Miles is SS depth. I realize he's not a good SS and likely doesn't play it any better than someone like Fontenot. But, he, Theriot and Blanco are the only ML ready players Lou is prepared to play at SS.

 

Now, let's say we cut Miles and Blanco gets hurt - we now have no backup SS in the organization. However, if we keep Miles and option Blanco to AAA, if Miles or Theriot go down we simply call up Blanco. As for production, Blanco is great with the glove and terrible with the bat. Miles is mediocre with both the bat and glove. It's preferable to keep Blanco over Miles, but not by enough to cut (but still pay) one of three available options at SS.

[Soul]

No transaction to accomodate Miles.

 

Miles: DFA.

 

 

Time to eat your mistake, Jim.

 

Cutting him wouldn't be that beneficial. He's getting paid either way so cutting him would just lessen our depth some.

 

It all depends on what Baker does between now and when Miles is ready to return. Blanco is the only backup SS we have, at least whose an actual SS. Between Fuld, Hoff, and Fox, 2 are pobably gone be it through trade or option when Ramirez and Reed come back, and the 3rd will be around for the long run.

 

If Baker is good, then theres no reason to keep Miles around. If Baker isnt any good, then may as well let him go. Now that we know that Fox can backup Ramirez from time to time, were basically looking at a utility guy betwen Miles and Baker, but why did Jim bother with Baker to begin with if he didnt plan on at least entertaining the idea of dumping Miles?

 

You talk about depth, but Miles and Baker serve the same purpose, and no need for both. Miles only upside is that hes a switch hitter, but hes worthless from both sides.

 

Heres our depth chart when everyone returns

 

1B-Lee, Hoff/Fox

2B-Font, Baker/Miles, Blanco

SS-Theriot, Blanco

3B-Ramirez, Baker/Miles, Fox, Fontenot

RF-Bradley, Fuku, Fox/Hoff

CF-Fuku, Reed, Fuld(if around)

LF-Sori, Fuld(if around), Hoff/Fox

 

notice Baker and Miles serve the same purpose.

 

The idea is that Miles is SS depth. I realize he's not a good SS and likely doesn't play it any better than someone like Fontenot. But, he, Theriot and Blanco are the only ML ready players Lou is prepared to play at SS.

 

Now, let's say we cut Miles and Blanco gets hurt - we now have no backup SS in the organization. However, if we keep Miles and option Blanco to AAA, if Miles or Theriot go down we simply call up Blanco. As for production, Blanco is great with the glove and terrible with the bat. Miles is mediocre with both the bat and glove. It's preferable to keep Blanco over Miles, but not by enough to cut (but still pay) one of three available options at SS.

 

Bah, that's alot of hooey. DFA his ass.

[dew1679666265]

I don't want to make this a Miles thread, but this is interesting.

 

Miles' LD% 2009: 19%

career: 20%

 

Miles' BABIP 2009: .236

career: .306

 

Miles 2009 OPS: .500

Blanco 2009 OPS: .561

 

He's not going to be much of an asset at any point, but his production so far this season has been incredibly unlucky. He'll have more value with the bat than Blanco will if he can start to get the slightest bit of luck on his side.

[Soul]

I'm in "no more faith" mode when it comes to Miles. I'd rather just consider him dead meat. If he does something, then it will be a pleasant surprise. I guess what I'm saying is, I really don't want to see him on the field very often. If he takes one of his few opportunities and does something with it, then I'll be happy.

 

I just have no more faith in him that he will do anything. If he *was* DFA'd, I would be happy. I'm not blind to the money he's being paid and what effect that is likely to have on any decision around him.

[dew1679666265]

I'm in "no more faith" mode when it comes to Miles. I'd rather just consider him dead meat. If he does something, then it will be a pleasant surprise. I guess what I'm saying is, I really don't want to see him on the field very often. If he takes one of his few opportunities and does something with it, then I'll be happy.

 

I just have no more faith in him that he will do anything. If he *was* DFA'd, I would be happy. I'm not blind to the money he's being paid and what effect that is likely to have on any decision around him.

 

Maybe Hendry will be able to work out a trade for him before the deadline. There was some other interest in him in the offseason - maybe one of those teams will take his salary for a low A fringe prospect (Alburquerque-esque).

[Illini Iceman]

I'm in "no more faith" mode when it comes to Miles. I'd rather just consider him dead meat. If he does something, then it will be a pleasant surprise. I guess what I'm saying is, I really don't want to see him on the field very often. If he takes one of his few opportunities and does something with it, then I'll be happy.

 

I just have no more faith in him that he will do anything. If he *was* DFA'd, I would be happy. I'm not blind to the money he's being paid and what effect that is likely to have on any decision around him.

 

Maybe Hendry will be able to work out a trade for him before the deadline. There was some other interest in him in the offseason - maybe one of those teams will take his salary for a low A fringe prospect (Alburquerque-esque).

 

To me the ideal roster once everyone is healty is:

 

C - Soto

C - Hill

IF - Lee

IF - Hoffpauier

IF - Fontenot

IF - Baker

IF - Theriot

IF - Miles

IF - Ramirez

OF - Soriano

OF - Fukudome

OF - Bradley

OF - Johnson

OF - Fox

P - Zambrano

P - Harden

P - Dempster

P - Lilly

P - Wells

P - Gregg

P - Marmol

P - Guzman

P - Heilmann

P - Marshall

P - Samardzija

 

Shark, Marshall and Heilmann all are guys that have been or could be starters so you would be able to extend any of them for multiple innings if the pen is tired and you get a bad start and need one them to finish out game to give the rest of the relievers a break.

 

Fox, Hoff, Baker and Johnson are pretty good bats off the bench. Hill is the token back up catcher. Miles is the utility man which is fine for his talent (though maybe not his salary, but that is water under the bridge at this point)

 

Blanco, Scales, etc can be down at AAA waiting in case we need someone for a couple weeks due to injury. Ascanio, Hart, etc the same on the pitching side. Patton is expendable because they have guys just as good in the system that he would just be blocking anyway.

 

Miles is not really the problem, the problem is that if he is being counted on as anything other than they last guy off the bench.

[David]

Aramis doubled today in his rehab stint apparently.

[David]

Sure, it was only Class-A pitching, but Aramis Ramirez stepped to the plate Friday night for the first time in two months and promptly lined a double off the right-field wall.

 

Good news doesn't come in small packages after all. It comes gift-wrapped for a return to the Cubs lineup Monday night against Atlanta.

 

"I let it go pretty good a couple of times and I feel pretty good," Ramirez said. "I don't have to limit anything. If I have to limit anything I won't be playing."

[Sammy Sofa]

*JOY*

[JGalt73]

Aramis' 3 game stint over:

 

Final hitting line: 3/6 with 3 BB, 2B.

 

Looks like he played 12 innings in the field - 6 each in the 1st and 3rd games.

[Cynosure]

T MINUS 1 HOUR TIL RAMIREZ'S RETURN!

[ELCABALLO45]

Good to see him back. Amazing that you guys lost your best offensive player and the Brewers/Cards couldn't sink you guys. But I guess that's what happens when we play in a horrible division.

[Cynosure]

Good to see him back. Amazing that you guys lost your best offensive player and the Brewers/Cards couldn't sink you guys. But I guess that's what happens when we play in a horrible division.

 

Because neither of those teams are really good... and the Cubs have basically all underperformed all year.

[BigSlick]

dew, its a noble cause you're taking but there really is no better option than simply cutting Aaron Miles and eating his, lets be honest, rather paltry contract.

 

He's terrible, he angers me when he's on the field, his very presence tempts Lou to use him, its all in all awful. I don't care if this stops us from signing some amazing super star next year, I want him gone.

 

Sunk cost. His money is already guaranteed, we don't need to complicate the issue by actually having him hurt our team.

[dew1679666265]

dew, its a noble cause you're taking but there really is no better option than simply cutting Aaron Miles and eating his, lets be honest, rather paltry contract.

 

He's terrible, he angers me when he's on the field, his very presence tempts Lou to use him, its all in all awful. I don't care if this stops us from signing some amazing super star next year, I want him gone.

 

Sunk cost. His money is already guaranteed, we don't need to complicate the issue by actually having him hurt our team.

 

He's better offensively than Blanco. If we had a clearly better option, I'd support cutting him. But we don't, so there's no positive to cutting him.

[David]

When the hitters are both terrible and one is simply more terrible than the other, I think I'd rather have Blanco's sexy glove than Miles's utter fail all around.

[jersey cubs fan]

dew, its a noble cause you're taking but there really is no better option than simply cutting Aaron Miles and eating his, lets be honest, rather paltry contract.

 

He's terrible, he angers me when he's on the field, his very presence tempts Lou to use him, its all in all awful. I don't care if this stops us from signing some amazing super star next year, I want him gone.

 

Sunk cost. His money is already guaranteed, we don't need to complicate the issue by actually having him hurt our team.

 

He's better offensively than Blanco. If we had a clearly better option, I'd support cutting him. But we don't, so there's no positive to cutting him.

 

The positive is it's the only realistic way to keep an actual backup shortstop on the roster, which is something they failed to plan for all offseason, and something you legitimately need.

[dew1679666265]

dew, its a noble cause you're taking but there really is no better option than simply cutting Aaron Miles and eating his, lets be honest, rather paltry contract.

 

He's terrible, he angers me when he's on the field, his very presence tempts Lou to use him, its all in all awful. I don't care if this stops us from signing some amazing super star next year, I want him gone.

 

Sunk cost. His money is already guaranteed, we don't need to complicate the issue by actually having him hurt our team.

 

He's better offensively than Blanco. If we had a clearly better option, I'd support cutting him. But we don't, so there's no positive to cutting him.

 

The positive is it's the only realistic way to keep an actual backup shortstop on the roster, which is something they failed to plan for all offseason, and something you legitimately need.

 

So try to trade Miles. Outright cutting him and eating the salary doesn't make a whole lot of sense when he's one of three players in the organization that the management will play at SS.

[dew1679666265]

When the hitters are both terrible and one is simply more terrible than the other, I think I'd rather have Blanco's sexy glove than Miles's utter fail all around.

 

I'd prefer Blanco too, but cutting Miles doesn't do us a whole lot of good at this point.

[jersey cubs fan]

When the hitters are both terrible and one is simply more terrible than the other, I think I'd rather have Blanco's sexy glove than Miles's utter fail all around.

 

I'd prefer Blanco too, but cutting Miles doesn't do us a whole lot of good at this point.

 

Yes it does, it frees up a roster spot for somebody who can be useful, allowing you to keep somebody who can actually backup SS while getting rid of somebody who can't do a damn thing. Keep Miles and you have to decide to get rid of somebody who can help defensively or somebody who can help with the bat. The salary is eaten. It doesn't hurt the team at all. There will be plenty of other jack of a couple trades master at none players around to bring aboard if the need for such a player arises.

[David]

he's annoying to look at

[BigSlick]

he's annoying to look at

[dew1679666265]

When the hitters are both terrible and one is simply more terrible than the other, I think I'd rather have Blanco's sexy glove than Miles's utter fail all around.

 

I'd prefer Blanco too, but cutting Miles doesn't do us a whole lot of good at this point.

 

Yes it does, it frees up a roster spot for somebody who can be useful, allowing you to keep somebody who can actually backup SS while getting rid of somebody who can't do a damn thing. Keep Miles and you have to decide to get rid of somebody who can help defensively or somebody who can help with the bat. The salary is eaten. It doesn't hurt the team at all. There will be plenty of other jack of a couple trades master at none players around to bring aboard if the need for such a player arises.

 

So trade him for a PTBNL or something and shed the contract. If you can't trade him (which I doubt would be the case) and there comes a time when there's simply no spot for him, then consider cutting him. But cutting him now when it has no benefit for the team doesn't make much sense.

[jersey cubs fan]

When the hitters are both terrible and one is simply more terrible than the other, I think I'd rather have Blanco's sexy glove than Miles's utter fail all around.

 

I'd prefer Blanco too, but cutting Miles doesn't do us a whole lot of good at this point.

 

Yes it does, it frees up a roster spot for somebody who can be useful, allowing you to keep somebody who can actually backup SS while getting rid of somebody who can't do a damn thing. Keep Miles and you have to decide to get rid of somebody who can help defensively or somebody who can help with the bat. The salary is eaten. It doesn't hurt the team at all. There will be plenty of other jack of a couple trades master at none players around to bring aboard if the need for such a player arises.

 

So trade him for a PTBNL or something and shed the contract. If you can't trade him (which I doubt would be the case) and there comes a time when there's simply no spot for him, then consider cutting him. But cutting him now when it has no benefit for the team doesn't make much sense.

 

Dew, you aren't making any sense. The benefit to the team is allowing you to keep a real backup SS and a guy who can do something with the bat, instead of losing one of those players just because you are afraid to "throw away" the money owed to Miles.

 

Sunk cost. Aaron Miles is a sunk cost. You already have to pay him. If he was tradable, great, but I doubt anybody is picking up his contract. Instead of keeping him around solely because he has a guaranteed contract, even though he's the least useful part of the roster and entirely replacable, you just cut ties and be done with it. The mistake was signing him in the first place, but that is done.