Ramirez Injury Thread

[SouthSideRyan]

You're arguing past each other. Dew is saying there's no sense in hurrying up and cutting Miles now cause he's not hurting anyone sitting on the DL not making outs.

[Banedon]

If someone will take Freel, someone will take Miles, imo. You might still have to pay a good chunk of his salary, but maybe not all of it.

[dew1679666265]

You're arguing past each other. Dew is saying there's no sense in hurrying up and cutting Miles now cause he's not hurting anyone sitting on the DL not making outs.

 

That's a large part of it, yes. As soon as he gets back from the DL, I'd try to trade his salary for a PTBNL (which is possible, given the interest that was there in the offseason). If you can't trade him, though, and Fox or somebody is still hitting the ball great, then you cut Miles. But, if he returns and the only thing keeping him off the roster is, for instance, a 12th pitcher, then you demote the 12th pitcher and keep Miles.

 

As for now, though, he's not hurting anything sitting on the DL and he's really no less useful than Blanco. Blanco is better with the glove, Miles is better with the bat.

[jersey cubs fan]

If someone will take Freel, someone will take Miles, imo. You might still have to pay a good chunk of his salary, but maybe not all of it.

 

Totally different scenarios. Freel was owed nothing, Miles has a 2-year guaranteed contract. If you trade him, you aren't getting anything worthwhile.

[dew1679666265]

If someone will take Freel, someone will take Miles, imo. You might still have to pay a good chunk of his salary, but maybe not all of it.

 

I don't think you'd have to pay that much of his salary unless you expect something in return. A player like Miles is not valued very highly on this board (for good reason), but MLB GMs still have a thing for players like him. Someone would take him if Hendry is willing to deal him.

[jersey cubs fan]

You're arguing past each other. Dew is saying there's no sense in hurrying up and cutting Miles now cause he's not hurting anyone sitting on the DL not making outs.

 

That's a large part of it, yes. As soon as he gets back from the DL, I'd try to trade his salary for a PTBNL (which is possible, given the interest that was there in the offseason). If you can't trade him, though, and Fox or somebody is still hitting the ball great, then you cut Miles. But, if he returns and the only thing keeping him off the roster is, for instance, a 12th pitcher, then you demote the 12th pitcher and keep Miles.

 

As for now, though, he's not hurting anything sitting on the DL and he's really no less useful than Blanco. Blanco is better with the glove, Miles is better with the bat.

 

Miles is better with nothing. You are obsessed with his contract for no good reason. If they want to store him on the DL all year, fine, but that's not going to happen. The choice is going to be feel forced to keep him around because he has a guarantee or use that roster spot on somebody useful.

[dew1679666265]

If someone will take Freel, someone will take Miles, imo. You might still have to pay a good chunk of his salary, but maybe not all of it.

 

Totally different scenarios. Freel was owed nothing, Miles has a 2-year guaranteed contract. If you trade him, you aren't getting anything worthwhile.

 

Getting something worthwhile wouldn't be the goal. The goal would be dumping the remaining salary he's due.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If someone will take Freel, someone will take Miles, imo. You might still have to pay a good chunk of his salary, but maybe not all of it.

 

Totally different scenarios. Freel was owed nothing, Miles has a 2-year guaranteed contract. If you trade him, you aren't getting anything worthwhile.

 

A roster spot not occupied by Aaron Miles is good enough for me.

[dew1679666265]

You're arguing past each other. Dew is saying there's no sense in hurrying up and cutting Miles now cause he's not hurting anyone sitting on the DL not making outs.

 

That's a large part of it, yes. As soon as he gets back from the DL, I'd try to trade his salary for a PTBNL (which is possible, given the interest that was there in the offseason). If you can't trade him, though, and Fox or somebody is still hitting the ball great, then you cut Miles. But, if he returns and the only thing keeping him off the roster is, for instance, a 12th pitcher, then you demote the 12th pitcher and keep Miles.

 

As for now, though, he's not hurting anything sitting on the DL and he's really no less useful than Blanco. Blanco is better with the glove, Miles is better with the bat.

 

Miles is better with nothing. You are obsessed with his contract for no good reason. If they want to store him on the DL all year, fine, but that's not going to happen. The choice is going to be feel forced to keep him around because he has a guarantee or use that roster spot on somebody useful.

 

I just don't understand the desire to cut him for no good reason. If bringing him back off the DL when he comes back will force us to demote or (in Blanco's case) lose someone else with value, then I can understand cutting him. If we're sending back Patton or demoting, for instance, 12th pitcher Kevin Hart, then I would keep Miles around - unless Hendry can work out a trade.

[jersey cubs fan]

I just don't understand the desire to cut him for no good reason.

 

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SPELL OUT THE GOOD REASON?

 

 

He is a wasted roster spot. If you can find somebody dumb enough to take on his completely unwarranted contract, go right ahead and trade him. I'd have no problem with that, obviously. But I highly doubt somebody is going to take any significant portion of his contract. The Cubs have other people who are more useful, like guys who can do something with the bat or guys who can actually backup at SS and provide defense, so you keep those guys and dump Miles.

[David]

You're arguing past each other. Dew is saying there's no sense in hurrying up and cutting Miles now cause he's not hurting anyone sitting on the DL not making outs.

[David]

I don't like it when smart posters don't get along.

[Banedon]

I don't like it when smart posters don't get along.

 

You like it better when dumb posters don't get along? :)

[dew1679666265]

I just don't understand the desire to cut him for no good reason.

 

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SPELL OUT THE GOOD REASON?

 

 

He is a wasted roster spot. If you can find somebody dumb enough to take on his completely unwarranted contract, go right ahead and trade him. I'd have no problem with that, obviously. But I highly doubt somebody is going to take any significant portion of his contract. The Cubs have other people who are more useful, like guys who can do something with the bat or guys who can actually backup at SS and provide defense, so you keep those guys and dump Miles.

 

So let's wait the 2-3 weeks until he's healthy and make the decision then. How about that?

[CubColtPacer]

I just don't understand the desire to cut him for no good reason.

 

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SPELL OUT THE GOOD REASON?

 

 

He is a wasted roster spot. If you can find somebody dumb enough to take on his completely unwarranted contract, go right ahead and trade him. I'd have no problem with that, obviously. But I highly doubt somebody is going to take any significant portion of his contract. The Cubs have other people who are more useful, like guys who can do something with the bat or guys who can actually backup at SS and provide defense, so you keep those guys and dump Miles.

 

The player who would replace him is not any better than him though. Blanco is likely to be 100 points worse with the bat which is going to offset his better defense.

 

It really depends how the Cubs are going to use these guys. Is it only going to be as a backup SS and sitting on the bench most of the time? Or is the player going to play at 2B and play more often? In the first case, Blanco is the better option. In the second, Miles and Blanco are almost exactly the same, and the Cubs probably have a better chance of sneaking Blanco back to the minors than Miles. If Theriot got hurt, the Cubs could always bring Blanco right back up.

 

The biggest advantage I can see to cutting Miles is the Cubs wouldn't be tempted to bring him back for 2010 when they can actually find a better overall player for that spot. But Andres Blanco is no better of a player than Miles.

 

Edit: There is the thought of the playoffs though, and with a deeper bench Blanco would be a better addition to a playoff roster than Miles (because neither player would have to pinch-hit and Blanco could be used for defense). Maybe that's the tipping factor, I don't know.

[David]

I don't like it when smart posters don't get along.

 

You like it better when dumb posters don't get along? :)

 

 

it's entertaining, at least. when smart people argue in circles, not so much.

[ELCABALLO45]

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