2009 NCAA recruiting thread

[The Voice of Reason]

i wonder if anything bad has ever happened to alabama football.

 

If you ask the locals, they would probably say when Bear Bryant's last all lilly white team made the mistake of scheduling an integrated team from USC.

 

maybe, but i don't think bear bryant was racist.

 

He wasn't. He scheduled the game with USC knowing that they would get trounced but also knowing that it was the only way to get the University, it's fans and alumni to let him recruit blacks. It was a very smart move on his part. His "strategy" was featured and documented on an HBO special.

[UMFan83]

Anyone see the program prestige rankings on ESPN.com? Here is their list:

 

1. Oklahoma Sooners

2. USC Trojans

3. Ohio State Buckeyes

4. Notre Dame Fighting Irish

5. Nebraska Cornhuskers

6. Alabama Crimson Tide

7. Texas Longhorns

8. Michigan Wolverines

9. Florida State Seminoles

10. Miami Hurricanes

11. Penn State Nittany Lions

12. Tennessee Volunteers

13. LSU Tigers

14. Georgia Bulldogs

15. Florida Tebows

16. UCLA Bruins

17. Washington Huskies

18. Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets

19. Arkansas Razorbacks

20. Texas A&M Aggies

21. Auburn Tigers

T-22. Clemson Tigers

T-22. Colorado Buffaloes

24. Ole Miss Rebels

25. BYU Cougars

 

By conference:

Big 12: 5

Pac 10: 3

Big 10: 3

Independent: 1

SEC: 8

ACC: 4

MWC: 1

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3849468

[SouthSideRyan]

That is horribly flawed.

[TruffleShuffle]

nebraska is top 5 about 10 years ago... sure as hell not these days.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I don't understand how both Colorado and Ole Miss show up on a list like that.

[jersey cubs fan]

Washington? Georgia Tech?

[TruffleShuffle]

Washington? Georgia Tech?

 

washington does have some history and so does ole miss, though i'm not sure that anyone cares they uw was great 20 years ago or ole miss was great 50 years ago.

[bukie]

To me, it looks like the biggest flaw in putting together that list is in weighting success equally throughout all time. Winning 50 years ago means just as much as winning this year. If they weighted the list so that more recent success meant more, it'd probably look better.

[CubColtPacer]

BTW, the Billingsley computer rankings for top programs all-time has the same top 20 or so (in slightly different order) but very different in the last 5.

 

His 5 best teams not on this list? Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Stanford, Michigan State, and Wisconsin.

 

the 4 teams that are on the list he has ranked lower: Colorado at 31, Ole Miss at 32, Clemson at 38, and BYU at 66.

[bukie]

Another thing that affects programs depending on what conference they're in is a bonus for winning the conference title game. So, Big 12, ACC and SEC teams get bumps for that, while Big Ten, Pac-10 and Big East programs get nothing.

[jersey cubs fan]

Washington? Georgia Tech?

 

washington does have some history and so does ole miss, though i'm not sure that anyone cares they uw was great 20 years ago or ole miss was great 50 years ago.

 

Yeah, I get washington has had some prestige in the past, but they've been a joke for a quite a while now. 5 consecutive losing season, no wins last year? I don't see how anybody could say that program has prestige. There's no "wow, Washington Huskies" factor with them. The only thing they have going for them are a couple alums working for ESPN.

[TruffleShuffle]

yeah i'd say that the inclusions of clemson and byu are the stupidest ones on that list. clemson has won 1 national championship in over 100 years and is a good but not great program these days. byu also has only 1 national championship and while they're very good for a non-bcs program, i don't think they have all that much history.

[da bears]

Mizzou #36 on that list. I'm fairly pleased with that considering the piece of crap program they were from the early 80's until recently (minus '97 and '98, which were solid teams).

[snoodmonger]

KU just got Bradley McDougald, a 4* safety who decommitted from tOSU. He's the #11 safety in the class. Edited January 23, 2009 by snoodmonger

[SouthSideRyan]

Another thing that affects programs depending on what conference they're in is a bonus for winning the conference title game. So, Big 12, ACC and SEC teams get bumps for that, while Big Ten, Pac-10 and Big East programs get nothing.

 

The bowl game thing is my issue. IIRC, some conferences only had 1 team going to bowl games for years, while others would send anyone who'd get taken.

[TruffleShuffle]

KU just got Bradley McDougald, a 4* safety who decommitted from tOSU. He's the #11 safety in the class.

 

good

[cubweiser03]

Another thing that affects programs depending on what conference they're in is a bonus for winning the conference title game. So, Big 12, ACC and SEC teams get bumps for that, while Big Ten, Pac-10 and Big East programs get nothing.

 

The bowl game thing is my issue. IIRC, some conferences only had 1 team going to bowl games for years, while others would send anyone who'd get taken.

 

The B10 only had one bowl elgible team up until 1975 (The Rose Bowl). Ole Miss and others pilled on bowl points while teams like Iowa, Wisky, MSU, Minny sat at home.

[SouthSideRyan]

Another thing that affects programs depending on what conference they're in is a bonus for winning the conference title game. So, Big 12, ACC and SEC teams get bumps for that, while Big Ten, Pac-10 and Big East programs get nothing.

 

The bowl game thing is my issue. IIRC, some conferences only had 1 team going to bowl games for years, while others would send anyone who'd get taken.

 

The B10 only had one bowl elgible team up until 1975 (The Rose Bowl). Ole Miss and others pilled on bowl points while teams like Iowa, Wisky, MSU, Minny sat at home.

 

I believe the Pac 10 was much the same way. Notre Dame didn't play in a bowl from 1925-1970.

[TruffleShuffle]

yeah slowly but surely we have gone from "boy there are too many good teams not getting to play in bowls" to "how on earth did we end up with a northern illinois-louisiana tech bowl game?"

[Vanilla Ice]

duke @ 38.

 

enough said.

[dew1679666265]

duke @ 38.

 

enough said.

 

And they claim Cutcliffe's a bad recruiter.

[B]

yeah slowly but surely we have gone from "boy there are too many good teams not getting to play in bowls" to "how on earth did we end up with a northern illinois-louisiana tech bowl game?"

well, Louisiana Tech finished 2nd in their conference and with an 8-5 record. how NIU got a bowl remains a mystery.

[B]

duke @ 38.

 

enough said.

they must plan on grayshirting a bunch of guys

[Vanilla Ice]

i meant in the prestige rankings.

 

i doubt we got that high in the actual recruting

[Jon]

Losing Marshall to ASU hurts, but this is still one of the top recruiting classes for Northwestern in the last decade.