Jake Peavy: Available.

[RyneDawson]

Vitters is our best prospect, but by the time he is ready in like 3-4 years, we will have 3-4 years worth of more draft prospects. I would trade him in a 2nd for Peavy. And say he turns out to be a great player in 4 years for SD, then maybe we'll just have to cut our losses and sign a FA 3B who is just as good. Its not the end of the world, we have the money. But guys like Soto, Theriot, and Fontenot who we get through the draft or trades can come up and surprise people and help us be fine. But when you have a chance to get Peavy for him, then you do it. Because this team can be solid for the next 3 years with its current core with Peavy. Zambrano, Peavy, Dempster, Shark, and another FA in 2010,11,12. Not bad.

[17 Seconds]

Vitters is our best prospect, but by the time he is ready in like 3-4 years, we will have 3-4 years worth of more draft prospects. I would trade him in a 2nd for Peavy. And say he turns out to be a great player in 4 years for SD, then maybe we'll just have to cut our losses and sign a FA 3B who is just as good. Its not the end of the world, we have the money. But guys like Soto, Theriot, and Fontenot who we get through the draft or trades can come up and surprise people and help us be fine. But when you have a chance to get Peavy for him, then you do it. Because this team can be solid for the next 3 years with its current core with Peavy. Zambrano, Peavy, Dempster, Shark, and another FA in 2010,11,12. Not bad.

 

Well you can't really use the "we'll have plenty of prospects by the time he's ready" argument because that's not the only value Vitters has. He still has value through trades. If we trade him for peavy we're not just losing out on his potential major league services, we're losing the ability to trade him for something else.

 

I would definitely trade him for peavy though without even thinking about it.

[Backtobanks]

Olney says the Cubs and padres are trying to get a 3rd team involved-

 

Cubs jump into Peavy trade talks, eye three-team deal

By Buster Olney

ESPN The Magazine

 

The Atlanta Braves and San Diego Padres continue to make progress in trade negotiations around pitcher Jake Peavy, but at the same time, San Diego is talking with the Chicago Cubs about the All-Star -- with the Padres and Chicago engaging a third team as part of their proposals.

 

 

 

Peavy

Some sources believe that a trade of Peavy, while not imminent, is inevitable, and could occur prior to Thanksgiving. The Padres are in the midst of a significant payroll cut: If San Diego -- which withdrew a contract offer to closer Trevor Hoffman on Monday night -- eventually trades both Peavy and Brian Giles, as expected, then the team's 2009 payroll will be about half of what it was in 2008.

 

The Braves and Padres have settled on two pieces of the package that Atlanta would send to San Diego -- shortstop Yunel Escobar and outfield prospect Gorkys Hernandez. The Braves likely would include one of two young pitchers, either Charlie Morton or Jo-Jo Reyes. The two sides are at odds over the other pieces in the deal; the Padres are known to have interest in young pitcher Jeffrey Locke.

 

The Cubs and Padres have talked about a deal built around Josh Vitters, the Cubs' top pick from 2007. But unlike the Braves, Chicago is not steeped in pitching, and so the Padres and Cubs are in the process of drawing in a third team into their talks, and that third team would be the side that would flip the pitching necessary to San Diego, in order to make the deal work for the Padres.

 

Peavy, 27, won the 2007 Cy Young Award, and went 10-11 with a 2.85 ERA in 2008. He is signed through 2013, and currently, he has a full no-trade clause and has the right to veto any proposal. The Braves and Cubs are among the teams that he would consider, as he has indicated to the Padres.

 

During the process of considering possible deals for Peavy, the Padres have talked with numerous teams, including the Los Angeles Dodgers, Los Angeles Angels, Houston Astros and New York Yankees.

 

So Olney and Rosenthal just reported 2 very different stories. Which is more reliable (or least unreliable) of those 2?

 

I thought the Cubs were loaded with pitching prospects (Marshall, Ceda, Hart, Veal, Hill, etc.) and weak on positional prospects. :-k

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Is Escobar that good? I look at his numbers and they don't look that great.

 

Remember what position he plays.

 

Escobar: .288/.366/.401/.766

Theriot: .307 .387 .359 .745

 

Personally, I think Escobar is being overrated just a little bit in talks with the Padres. I mean he is a solid player with potential to get better, but the only thing he has on Theriot is he he hits for slightly more power. So while Escobar might be the best known player in the deal, IDK if I would call him (I prolly would be it wouldn't be without thought) the best talent being offer between the Cubs and the Braves.

 

Even with Escobar in the deal IDK if there deal is more attract then the Cubs unless it included Tommy Hanson.

 

Escobar has the same IsoD and a far, far better IsoP than Theriot, is a superior fielder, and is 3 years younger. He's a much more attractive player in trade.

[SouthSideRyan]

Olney says the Cubs and padres are trying to get a 3rd team involved-

 

Cubs jump into Peavy trade talks, eye three-team deal

By Buster Olney

ESPN The Magazine

 

The Atlanta Braves and San Diego Padres continue to make progress in trade negotiations around pitcher Jake Peavy, but at the same time, San Diego is talking with the Chicago Cubs about the All-Star -- with the Padres and Chicago engaging a third team as part of their proposals.

 

 

 

Peavy

Some sources believe that a trade of Peavy, while not imminent, is inevitable, and could occur prior to Thanksgiving. The Padres are in the midst of a significant payroll cut: If San Diego -- which withdrew a contract offer to closer Trevor Hoffman on Monday night -- eventually trades both Peavy and Brian Giles, as expected, then the team's 2009 payroll will be about half of what it was in 2008.

 

The Braves and Padres have settled on two pieces of the package that Atlanta would send to San Diego -- shortstop Yunel Escobar and outfield prospect Gorkys Hernandez. The Braves likely would include one of two young pitchers, either Charlie Morton or Jo-Jo Reyes. The two sides are at odds over the other pieces in the deal; the Padres are known to have interest in young pitcher Jeffrey Locke.

 

The Cubs and Padres have talked about a deal built around Josh Vitters, the Cubs' top pick from 2007. But unlike the Braves, Chicago is not steeped in pitching, and so the Padres and Cubs are in the process of drawing in a third team into their talks, and that third team would be the side that would flip the pitching necessary to San Diego, in order to make the deal work for the Padres.

 

Peavy, 27, won the 2007 Cy Young Award, and went 10-11 with a 2.85 ERA in 2008. He is signed through 2013, and currently, he has a full no-trade clause and has the right to veto any proposal. The Braves and Cubs are among the teams that he would consider, as he has indicated to the Padres.

 

During the process of considering possible deals for Peavy, the Padres have talked with numerous teams, including the Los Angeles Dodgers, Los Angeles Angels, Houston Astros and New York Yankees.

 

So Olney and Rosenthal just reported 2 very different stories. Which is more reliable (or least unreliable) of those 2?

 

I thought the Cubs were loaded with pitching prospects (Marshall, Ceda, Hart, Veal, Hill, etc.) and weak on positional prospects. :-k

 

We're not really "loaded" with anything. Marshall and Ceda are pretty decent chits. Hart and Veal are throw in types and Hill is a wild card whether a team agrees with DiamondMind or not.

[cubsfan26]

Yeah some still think Escobar will end up being an Allstar type SS. He plays good defense, hits for average, and gets on base. His power isn't anything special right now, but he could end up being a 15-20 HR guy down the road. Getting Peavy without giving up Vitters would be a steal. I figured since day one if the Cubs were gonna get this deal done, they were probably gonna have to put Vitters in the trade. A package of Vitters/Pie with Marshall and other pitchers seems alot more attractive to the Padres, then Pie and others.

[RedFlash]

Yeah some still think Escobar will end up being an Allstar type SS. He plays good defense, hits for average, and gets on base. His power isn't anything special right now, but he could end up being a 15-20 HR guy down the road. Getting Peavy without giving up Vitters would be a steal. I figured since day one if the Cubs were gonna get this deal done, they were probably gonna have to put Vitters in the trade. A package of Vitters/Pie with Marshall and other pitchers seems alot more attractive to the Padres, then Pie and others.

 

IDK about Escobar being an AS type SS. He certainly got the skills, but the NL is abosulely loaded at SS with guys like Rollins/Reyes/Ramirez(unless he moves to CF)/Furcal(when healthy)/Stephen Drew/Tulowitzki. All of those guys either have the ability to be play in the all star game, or is already an All Star. So while he has the ability, he would have to stand out from the pact to get to the AS game.

[mikeyt34]

I just hope this gets done. Either the Braves get Peavy or the Cubs, or the Pads decide to pull him off the table. A resolution going into Free Agency time this weekend is crucial. I would hate to still be talking about this two weeks from now, and the Cubs holding off on their FA acquistions, still trying to get a deal done.

[Outshined_One]

I thought the Cubs were loaded with pitching prospects (Marshall, Ceda, Hart, Veal, Hill, etc.) and weak on positional prospects. :-k

 

There are a lot of future relievers and back end of the rotation guys, but the cupboard's bare when it comes to future aces, much less middle of the rotation pitchers.

[imb]

the padres are kind of behind the 8-ball guys, i'm pretty sure we can get peavy from them without giving up vitters

[TheDude]

Well you can't really use the "we'll have plenty of prospects by the time he's ready" argument because that's not the only value Vitters has. He still has value through trades. If we trade him for peavy we're not just losing out on his potential major league services, we're losing the ability to trade him for something else.

 

I would definitely trade him for peavy though without even thinking about it.

 

So you don't want to trade Vitters because then you lose the trade value of Vitters...how many bigger fish exist than Jake Peavy? Sorry, that's just a nonsense argument.

[Jehrico]

Well you can't really use the "we'll have plenty of prospects by the time he's ready" argument because that's not the only value Vitters has. He still has value through trades. If we trade him for peavy we're not just losing out on his potential major league services, we're losing the ability to trade him for something else.

 

I would definitely trade him for peavy though without even thinking about it.

 

So you don't want to trade Vitters because then you lose the trade value of Vitters...how many bigger fish exist than Jake Peavy? Sorry, that's just a nonsense argument.

He was just saying there's a future opportunity cost to consider when getting rid of our last prospect of worth, not that he wouldn't trade him for Peavy because of that cost.

[SouthSideRyan]

Well you can't really use the "we'll have plenty of prospects by the time he's ready" argument because that's not the only value Vitters has. He still has value through trades. If we trade him for peavy we're not just losing out on his potential major league services, we're losing the ability to trade him for something else.

 

I would definitely trade him for peavy though without even thinking about it.

 

So you don't want to trade Vitters because then you lose the trade value of Vitters...how many bigger fish exist than Jake Peavy? Sorry, that's just a nonsense argument.

 

I'd say there's more than a handful of guys that are worth more than Jake Peavy when considering contract. Peavy is one of the best pitchers in baseball, but he's also making a lot of money(whether he's still a bargain is besides the point)

 

Beyond that you're talking about giving up Vitters in addition to other prospects. It's not that hard to look back to just last summer where people were fine giving up Vitters for Harden or whomever because "it's been 100 years, what are you waiting for with Vitters, what are you going to get better than Harden?" You don't give up more than you have to, and Vitters probably isn't necessary to get Peavy.

[UMFan83]

Andy Dolan from Desipio:

 

The Jake Peavy to the Cubs rumors will not die, and today they took a turn for the interesting.

 

A source within the Padres organization claims that it’s “basically a done deal” (whatever basically means) that Peavy is headed to Chicago, and that the Cubs will send back Felix Pie, Sean Marshall and Ryan Theriot.

 

I have no idea the source.

[JeffH]

Andy Dolan is very, very dumb.

[ManCrushOnNomar]

Theriot? Maybe Greene's coming in return?

[David]

Furcal?!

[David]

Andy Dolan is very, very dumb.

 

 

If he's reporting what he was told by whoever this source may be, what would his intelligence have at all to do with it?

[UMFan83]

Furcal?!

 

That's what I was thinking, but really how much money do the Cubs have to spend? Who plays RF? DeRosa?

[SouthSideRyan]

Andy Dolan is very, very dumb.

 

 

If he's reporting what he was told by whoever this source may be, what would his intelligence have at all to do with it?

 

Believing a non-source would indicate he's very very dumb.

[Jehrico]

Andy Dolan from Desipio:

 

The Jake Peavy to the Cubs rumors will not die, and today they took a turn for the interesting.

 

A source within the Padres organization claims that it’s “basically a done deal” (whatever basically means) that Peavy is headed to Chicago, and that the Cubs will send back Felix Pie, Sean Marshall and Ryan Theriot.

 

I have no idea the source.

If that's true, then it also means one of three things:

a) they think Ronny is ready to finally be a starter (unlikely, if Lou is in the equation)

b) they think Fontenot can handle SS everyday (possibly, his defense is only slightly worse than Theriots at the position, and they thought Theriot was passable), or

c) They're going to get another SS. Could it be Greene or Furcal? If it's Furcal, then I have a hard time seeing them resign Dempster. Considering they already upped their offer and have expressed they really want to keep him, I think it means Furcal is not in the plans, which is surprising considering how they want a real leadoff hitter and Hendry has shown a strong desire for him in the past.

 

It also means they're finally selling high on someone (Theriot). When is the last time they did that? I can't ever recall...

 

Also, if it's true (and I'm extremely skeptical), I would be extremely happy with this deal, especially if it's for both Peavy AND Greene.

Edited November 11, 2008 by Jehrico

[UMFan83]

Andy Dolan is very, very dumb.

 

 

If he's reporting what he was told by whoever this source may be, what would his intelligence have at all to do with it?

 

Posting a rumor from a source seems like a weird thing for Dolan to do, since he always criticizes NSBB and BCB for spreading baseless rumors. But he's been doing it a bit lately, like when he posted his source that said the Cubs would go after Hermida.

 

My guess is Dolan wants to feel important.

Edited November 11, 2008 by UMFan83

[RammyFanny]

Don't remember who the author was, but that's the same site claiming we had reached a deal for Roberts and Bedard last year.

[YearofDaCubs]

Andy Dolan from Desipio:

 

The Jake Peavy to the Cubs rumors will not die, and today they took a turn for the interesting.

 

A source within the Padres organization claims that it’s “basically a done deal” (whatever basically means) that Peavy is headed to Chicago, and that the Cubs will send back Felix Pie, Sean Marshall and Ryan Theriot.

 

I have no idea the source.

If that's true, then it also means one of three things:

a) they think Ronny is ready to finally be a starter (unlikely, if Lou is in the equation)

b) they think Fontenot can handle SS everyday (possibly, his defense is only slightly worse than Theriots at the position, and they thought Theriot was passable), or

c) They're going to get another SS. Could it be Greene or Furcal? If it's Furcal, then I have a hard time seeing them resign Dempster. Considering they already upped their offer and have expressed they really want to keep him, I think it means Furcal is not in the plans, which is surprising considering how they want a real leadoff hitter and Hendry has shown a strong desire for him in the past.

 

It also means they're finally selling high on someone (Theriot). When is the last time they did that? I can't ever recall...

It's too good to be true! If that goes through that would set us up for signing Furcal who would be a significant upgrade to Theriot. I really really want Peavy, Furcal and Bradley. I think getting those 3 will fix out playoff woes.

[apete6]

Andy Dolan from Desipio:

 

The Jake Peavy to the Cubs rumors will not die, and today they took a turn for the interesting.

 

A source within the Padres organization claims that it’s “basically a done deal” (whatever basically means) that Peavy is headed to Chicago, and that the Cubs will send back Felix Pie, Sean Marshall and Ryan Theriot.

 

I have no idea the source.

 

That would essentially be highway robbery. Hendry would look around the room thinking he was on Totally Hidden Video or something if that got the job done.