Jake Peavy: Available.

[RammyFanny]

Anyone else remember the whole "Bedard AND Roberts" to the Cubs rumors from desipio last offseason?

[UMFan83]

Posting a fake rumor would also be a pretty good way to virally get traffic to a blog.

 

Just saying.

 

I hope it's true, though.

 

Dolan used to write a 7-10 paragraph blog entry every day. Now he'll churn out 3 paragraphs a week. He is a fading star in the Cubs blog world, so I guess this would be a good way to get back into the mix.

 

Based on everything you seem to know about him, he sure does appear to have a fan in you, UMFan.

 

For his next stunt, Dolan will be arranging a Voyeur Bus in Chicago. He'll have nude models and porn stars riding around town in a glass bus. He figures it'll be a good way to "get back in the mix," as you put it.

 

Oh, I'm a huge fan of his writing. He used to be the first thing I read every morning when he was writing daily. The Daily Doses he wrote in 2003, 2004 and 2005 were gold. His cynicism is a drawback that I've learned to live with. Lately, he's dropped out of my daily Cubs blog rundown (and yes that includes your site)

[Cubswin11]

I personally think the Braves are being used as the decoy here by Towers. I don't think Peavy wants to go to a Braves team that is so far down in the standings with low expectations for the future, especially after trading away their top SS prospect (as has been reported). I think Peavy has told Towers to get him to the Cubs one way or another and the Cubs weren't negotiating against themselves, so they only offered what they felt they needed to and Towers realized he needed some more leverage. Hence, the reason why we know the Braves' offer, but are still a bit sticky on the Cubs' offer.

 

I think Peavy will become a Cub in a few days. I think 4-5 players will be traded to the Padres from the list of names mentioned over the past couple weeks. I imagine a SS, a top low-level prospect, and 2-3 pitchers definitely including Sean Marshall. Just my 2 cents.

 

I think exactly the opposite. I think we are being used as a decoy and the Pads are just trying to get that extra whatever they want from the Braves.

 

I have to agree with Ryan. If you are limited on who you can trade a stud SP to, you certainly want to work a deal with the team with the best players available, and it's really not even close between the Braves and the Cubs.

 

In a perfect world, Towers would be trading Peavy to the Braves for Escobar and Hanson, but the Braves aren't going to do that, and it's possible Peavy wouldn't even accept the trade there if they did.

 

Towers is using the Cubs as leverage to try to get the Braves to cave. If the Braves don't cave, then the Padres probably view the Cubs offer as a better short term fix than what the Braves are offering.

The Padres are really in a Howry spot. They have made it pretty well known that Peavy is going to be traded and the teams he will accept a trade to. It's also well known their owner is going through a nasty divorce and he needs to slash payroll. With the Padres pretty much forced to trade peavy and only being able to work with a fraction of the teams in baseball they probably aren't going to get a great return. Imagine what they would be getting if he didn't have a NTC or if he would go to more teams, the Cubs probably wouldn't have been able to even step into the same room with Towers at the GM meetings to discuss Peavy.

[Jehrico]

Here's a good question that hasn't really been asked (or I've missed it...)...Does Greene really have negative value? Sure his value is down, but I don't think it's negative, not based on one bad season in Petco. I don't think we simply get Peavy for less just because we take him off of their hands. At most, the skids might be getting greased for a separate deal for Greene, or the offerings in the original deal expand to account for him.

[David]

Anyone else remember the whole "Bedard AND Roberts" to the Cubs rumors from desipio last offseason?

 

We can do this with every source.

 

How many major outlets weren't reporting that we basically had no shot at Harden and didn't have the players the A's would want?

 

 

Granted, I guess one would be inclined to cut someone like Rosenthal or Olney a bit more slack, but I don't necessarily see why (they're wrong a ton).

[Jehrico]

Anyone else remember the whole "Bedard AND Roberts" to the Cubs rumors from desipio last offseason?

 

We can do this with every source.

 

How many major outlets weren't reporting that we basically had no shot at Harden and didn't have the players the A's would want?

 

 

Granted, I guess one would be inclined to cut someone like Rosenthal or Olney a bit more slack, but I don't necessarily see why (they're wrong a ton).

Rosenthal yes, Olney no.

[UMFan83]

If we wanted to, we could email one of the afternoon shows (Boers and Bernstein or MJH) and try to get them to confirm the rumor. I know people on this site have done it before for other rumors. Not sure if they will have Bruce Levine or whoever on duty during a random November afternoon though.

[mopapa]

Andy Dolan from Desipio:

 

The Jake Peavy to the Cubs rumors will not die, and today they took a turn for the interesting.

 

A source within the Padres organization claims that it’s “basically a done deal” (whatever basically means) that Peavy is headed to Chicago, and that the Cubs will send back Felix Pie, Sean Marshall and Ryan Theriot.

 

I have no idea the source.

 

Huh? Where'd this come from? I thought I read the Cubs weren't changing their offer (course I realize this is all speculation, but still...). And while I accept that I may very well be the only one who feels this way, but I'd hate to see Theriot go. I think this year was just the beginning for him. I mean, the Cubs have won their division both years he's been full-time.

[Electron Blue]

Anyone else remember the whole "Bedard AND Roberts" to the Cubs rumors from desipio last offseason?

 

We can do this with every source.

 

How many major outlets weren't reporting that we basically had no shot at Harden and didn't have the players the A's would want?

 

 

Granted, I guess one would be inclined to cut someone like Rosenthal or Olney a bit more slack, but I don't necessarily see why (they're wrong a ton).

 

The thing that annoys me about some of these journalists is their word choice, really. I figure they hear rumblings about possibilities and turn them into "expect it" or "very close" "intensity" or any other buzz word that is vague enough they can get away with, yet still sound very important. This is an assumption on my part, I admit, but it would explain why so many reports use this kind of language, yet rarely turn out to be 100% true.

[David]

Andy Dolan from Desipio:

 

The Jake Peavy to the Cubs rumors will not die, and today they took a turn for the interesting.

 

A source within the Padres organization claims that it’s “basically a done deal” (whatever basically means) that Peavy is headed to Chicago, and that the Cubs will send back Felix Pie, Sean Marshall and Ryan Theriot.

 

I have no idea the source.

 

Huh? Where'd this come from? I thought I read the Cubs weren't changing their offer (course I realize this is all speculation, but still...). And while I accept that I may very well be the only one who feels this way, but I'd hate to see Theriot go. I think this year was just the beginning for him. I mean, the Cubs have won their division both years he's been full-time.

 

Do you realize how old he is?

 

What you see is what you get. Actually, what you saw this year might be a bit better than what you get.

[Electron Blue]

Andy Dolan from Desipio:

 

The Jake Peavy to the Cubs rumors will not die, and today they took a turn for the interesting.

 

A source within the Padres organization claims that it’s “basically a done deal” (whatever basically means) that Peavy is headed to Chicago, and that the Cubs will send back Felix Pie, Sean Marshall and Ryan Theriot.

 

I have no idea the source.

 

Huh? Where'd this come from? I thought I read the Cubs weren't changing their offer (course I realize this is all speculation, but still...). And while I accept that I may very well be the only one who feels this way, but I'd hate to see Theriot go. I think this year was just the beginning for him. I mean, the Cubs have won their division both years he's been full-time.

 

There are ways to drum up support for Theriot -- even on this board -- but that is not going to cut it . . . it's pretty pointless and misdirected praise.

[BigbadB]

Imagine what they would be getting if he didn't have a NTC or if he would go to more teams, the Cubs probably wouldn't have been able to even step into the same room with Towers at the GM meetings to discuss Peavy.

 

You can bank on that. There is basically no way the Cubs get Peavy if it weren't for the no trade clause. That's the one thing small market teams could count on, and the Padres blew it big time on this go around by giving Peavy that extension less than a year ago.

 

A small market team could sell off their soon to be pricey talent for a big return that could either keep the team competitive or shorten the amount of time it would take to rebuild. The Padres are completely hosed here.

[WrigleyField 22]

IF it is true Theriot is involved, perhaps the Cubs want to wait until FA Friday in which they will attempt to lock up a SS right away (Furcal), so they can give away Theriot with more confidence.

 

That would be a sexy conference (Peavy and Furcal).

 

/hopeful random baseless speculation from no where

[Cubswin11]

Here's a good question that hasn't really been asked (or I've missed it...)...Does Greene really have negative value? Sure his value is down, but I don't think it's negative, not based on one bad season in Petco. I don't think we simply get Peavy for less just because we take him off of their hands. At most, the skids might be getting greased for a separate deal for Greene, or the offerings in the original deal expand to account for him.

He is making 6.5 million this year and had a awful season last year. He missed time with injury and only hit .213 in 389 AB's and only walked 22 times his OBP was .260 and he slugged .339. The only thing he did well was play defense. His power numbers were way down from last season as well, he also SO 100 times, even though high strike out rates are starting to become more acceptable.

[jersey cubs fan]

Here's a good question that hasn't really been asked (or I've missed it...)...Does Greene really have negative value? Sure his value is down, but I don't think it's negative, not based on one bad season in Petco. I don't think we simply get Peavy for less just because we take him off of their hands. At most, the skids might be getting greased for a separate deal for Greene, or the offerings in the original deal expand to account for him.

 

I wouldn't say negative but it's got to be close to zero. He's owed a good chunk of money for a team that can't afford to keep him, and he's coming off a horrible year. Most big money teams, the ones that would consider taking him on, are pretty much set at SS, either with guys who are producing, expensive guys they can't/won't replace or their own hot prospect. Greene is essentially a guy that's only attractive to a team that can afford to throw money around and that doesn't have decent internal options. Maybe somebody like Pittsburgh or KC, always good for an occasional "why would they waste their money" move, would be willing to take a chance. But I don't see SD getting a bunch of offers for the guy.

[BigbadB]

Here's a good question that hasn't really been asked (or I've missed it...)...Does Greene really have negative value? Sure his value is down, but I don't think it's negative, not based on one bad season in Petco. I don't think we simply get Peavy for less just because we take him off of their hands. At most, the skids might be getting greased for a separate deal for Greene, or the offerings in the original deal expand to account for him.

 

He doesn't have negative value because of the position he plays. But, he's coming off a horrible season where he injured himself off the field, makes 6.5m for 2009 and then he's a free agent.

 

Teams just aren't going to offer up a whole lot for him, but there will be plenty of teams out there willing to throw a small offer out there to see if it sticks, simply because they need a SS.

[PrimeTime]

Man I would love to get rid of the scrappy noodlearm and get Furcal or someone and if we can't just move DeRosa there and stick Fontenot at 2nd

[Jehrico]

Man I would love to get rid of the scrappy noodlearm and get Furcal or someone and if we can't just move DeRosa there and stick Fontenot at 2nd

I thought Pierre was busy ripping off the Dodgers?

[Butterscup1679666578]

As much as I'd love Furcal, I'd be shocked if he left LA

[Wrigley Rat]

Looking at Baseball America's rankings for 2008, Atlanta's minor league system was ranked 8th while Chicago's was 20th. The players the Braves are offering were:

- Gorkys Hernandez - ranked 5th in their system, but unproven at the Major league level

- Yunel Escobar - not ranked due to ineligibility (but ranked 10th in their system in 2007 when the whole system ranked 16th), some success so far - should have a bright future

- Charlie Morton - not ranked due to ineligibility (not ranked in the past), poor major league numbers ---OR---

- Jo-Jo Reyes - not ranked due to ineligibility (but ranked 8th in their system in 2007), poor major league numbers

- Jeff Locke is also rumored to be a person of interest to the Padres, but he was ranked 8th by BA this year, while untouchable Tommy Hanson ranked 9th. Of course their 2008 season's have altered their rankings quite a bit.

 

The Cubs are reportedly willing to include:

- Felix Pie - not ranked due to ineligibility (but ranked 1st in their system in 2007 when the whole system ranked 18th), poor major league numbers but limited opportunities to play

- Sean Marshall - not ranked due to ineligibility the last two years, but with 2+ seasons of effectiveness and improvement, still cheap, lefty starter (two years in a row of an ERA under 4.00)

- Ryan Theriot - a starting SS for two seasons, cheap, proven

 

Looking at the two trade scenarios, I think the Padres are getting the best player from the Cubs in Sean Marshall. I think Escobar is the 2nd best player, Theriot is 3rd, Pie 4th, Hernandez is 5th.

 

I might be over-valuing the Cubs' players, but I would rather have the stats of a Marshall over the stats of an Escobar.

 

I take the Cubs offer.

[GaborBako]

 

Based on everything you seem to know about him, he sure does appear to have a fan in you, UMFan.

 

For his next stunt, Dolan will be arranging a Voyeur Bus in Chicago. He'll have nude models and porn stars riding around town in a glass bus. He figures it'll be a good way to "get back in the mix," as you put it.

 

I don't get this Kurt Evans photoshop at all.

[CUBZ99]

I thought I just saw Peavy at O'Hare.

[CUBZ99]

Looking at Baseball America's rankings for 2008, Atlanta's minor league system was ranked 8th while Chicago's was 20th. The players the Braves are offering were:

- Gorkys Hernandez - ranked 5th in their system, but unproven at the Major league level

- Yunel Escobar - not ranked due to ineligibility (but ranked 10th in their system in 2007 when the whole system ranked 16th), some success so far - should have a bright future

- Charlie Morton - not ranked due to ineligibility (not ranked in the past), poor major league numbers ---OR---

- Jo-Jo Reyes - not ranked due to ineligibility (but ranked 8th in their system in 2007), poor major league numbers

- Jeff Locke is also rumored to be a person of interest to the Padres, but he was ranked 8th by BA this year, while untouchable Tommy Hanson ranked 9th. Of course their 2008 season's have altered their rankings quite a bit.

 

The Cubs are reportedly willing to include:

- Felix Pie - not ranked due to ineligibility (but ranked 1st in their system in 2007 when the whole system ranked 18th), poor major league numbers but limited opportunities to play

- Sean Marshall - not ranked due to ineligibility the last two years, but with 2+ seasons of effectiveness and improvement, still cheap, lefty starter (two years in a row of an ERA under 4.00)

- Ryan Theriot - a starting SS for two seasons, cheap, proven

 

Looking at the two trade scenarios, I think the Padres are getting the best player from the Cubs in Sean Marshall. I think Escobar is the 2nd best player, Theriot is 3rd, Pie 4th, Hernandez is 5th.

 

I might be over-valuing the Cubs' players, but I would rather have the stats of a Marshall over the stats of an Escobar.

 

I take the Cubs offer.

 

I'm skeptical about the rumor, but it does make sense. This would allow the Padres to fill three needs with one trade. I know Theriot takes a beating here on NSBB because he's not the most sexy athlete, but his numbers last year were impressive for a SS.

[apete6]

I thought I just saw Peavy at O'Hare.

 

Was Roberts with him?

[imb]

I thought I just saw Peavy at O'Hare.

 

ive got a buddy in real estate up there and he said peavy was house hunting yesterday