Carlos Beltran; a new rumor?

[RedFlash]

http://cubsrumorsandnews.blogspot.com/

 

For the most standard rumors, but this caught my eye:

 

According to 1460 kxno out of Iowa, the Cubs maybe interested in Carlos Beltran. The Mets are an aging team with young players that could be ready for the ML next season. Carlos has fallen out of favor with the fans and staff and could delt if " the right deal came around". The Mets need young pitching and outfield so the Cubs maybe a good match. Jim Edmonds and Reed Johnson have done a good job in the outfield for the Cubs and by no means am I saying there better than Beltran but I think we need pitching more. Beltran is signed through the 2011 season. He is owed 18.5 million for each of the next 4 seasons.

 

Personally, I don't want Carlos. Too much money, blah, blah, even tho he would help the offense out tremendously. His contract is the biggest problem for me. Plus I would rather trade the assets that the Cubs do have, for another pitcher or two.

 

I didn't see this rumor anywhere, but if it is somewhere, please delete or merge.

[Jehrico]

http://cubsrumorsandnews.blogspot.com/

 

For the most standard rumors, but this caught my eye:

 

According to 1460 kxno out of Iowa, the Cubs maybe interested in Carlos Beltran. The Mets are an aging team with young players that could be ready for the ML next season. Carlos has fallen out of favor with the fans and staff and could delt if " the right deal came around". The Mets need young pitching and outfield so the Cubs maybe a good match. Jim Edmonds and Reed Johnson have done a good job in the outfield for the Cubs and by no means am I saying there better than Beltran but I think we need pitching more. Beltran is signed through the 2011 season. He is owed 18.5 million for each of the next 4 seasons.

 

Personally, I don't want Carlos. Too much money, blah, blah, even tho he would help the offense out tremendously. His contract is the biggest problem for me. Plus I would rather trade the assets that the Cubs do have, for another pitcher or two.

 

I didn't see this rumor anywhere, but if it is somewhere, please delete or merge.

He's not playing like an 18+ mil player. If we take his whole contract, he may not cost quite as much as you would think in prospects. I wonder how close an offer of Pie + Marshall/Hill would get us? I know that wouldn't work, but I wonder how far out of the ball park it is?

[CubbieBum]

this is a blog on blogspot. Yeah.

[rawaction]

He's not playing like an 18+ mil player. If we take his whole contract, he may not cost quite as much as you would think in prospects. I wonder how close an offer of Pie + Marshall/Hill would get us? I know that wouldn't work, but I wonder how far out of the ball park it is?

 

Have you seen him recently? He's playing like a star. Not coincedently, it coincides with him being healthy for the first time all year.

[Backtobanks]

http://cubsrumorsandnews.blogspot.com/

 

For the most standard rumors, but this caught my eye:

 

According to 1460 kxno out of Iowa, the Cubs maybe interested in Carlos Beltran. The Mets are an aging team with young players that could be ready for the ML next season. Carlos has fallen out of favor with the fans and staff and could delt if " the right deal came around". The Mets need young pitching and outfield so the Cubs maybe a good match. Jim Edmonds and Reed Johnson have done a good job in the outfield for the Cubs and by no means am I saying there better than Beltran but I think we need pitching more. Beltran is signed through the 2011 season. He is owed 18.5 million for each of the next 4 seasons.

 

Personally, I don't want Carlos. Too much money, blah, blah, even tho he would help the offense out tremendously. His contract is the biggest problem for me. Plus I would rather trade the assets that the Cubs do have, for another pitcher or two.

 

I didn't see this rumor anywhere, but if it is somewhere, please delete or merge.

He's not playing like an 18+ mil player. If we take his whole contract, he may not cost quite as much as you would think in prospects. I wonder how close an offer of Pie + Marshall/Hill would get us? I know that wouldn't work, but I wonder how far out of the ball park it is?

 

Actually, I thought about posting a trade proposal involving Beltran last week, but the money issue scared me off. I would think Pie + Marshall/Hill would be a starting point, but I think you would have to add more (Murton/Patterson + Veal??) He would be great to have, but the OF would have to be nicknamed "The Billionaires".

[XZero771679666304]

http://cubsrumorsandnews.blogspot.com/

 

For the most standard rumors, but this caught my eye:

 

According to 1460 kxno out of Iowa, the Cubs maybe interested in Carlos Beltran. The Mets are an aging team with young players that could be ready for the ML next season. Carlos has fallen out of favor with the fans and staff and could delt if " the right deal came around". The Mets need young pitching and outfield so the Cubs maybe a good match. Jim Edmonds and Reed Johnson have done a good job in the outfield for the Cubs and by no means am I saying there better than Beltran but I think we need pitching more. Beltran is signed through the 2011 season. He is owed 18.5 million for each of the next 4 seasons.

 

Personally, I don't want Carlos. Too much money, blah, blah, even tho he would help the offense out tremendously. His contract is the biggest problem for me. Plus I would rather trade the assets that the Cubs do have, for another pitcher or two.

 

I didn't see this rumor anywhere, but if it is somewhere, please delete or merge.

He's not playing like an 18+ mil player. If we take his whole contract, he may not cost quite as much as you would think in prospects. I wonder how close an offer of Pie + Marshall/Hill would get us? I know that wouldn't work, but I wonder how far out of the ball park it is?

 

Actually, I thought about posting a trade proposal involving Beltran last week, but the money issue scared me off. I would think Pie + Marshall/Hill would be a starting point, but I think you would have to add more (Murton/Patterson + Veal??) He would be great to have, but the OF would have to be nicknamed "The Billionaires".

 

Cubs outfield day with free monocle/top hat sets to the first 10,000 fans.

[Backtobanks]

Not only does he make $18.5 million, but he's owed $18.5 million per year through 2011 with $22 million plus interest deferred through 2011. Whew, that's a lot of money. (Let's not forget that he has a NTC, so we'll probably have to extend him to waive his NTC)

[CubbieBum]

Not only does he make $18.5 million, but he's owed $18.5 million per year through 2011 with $22 million plus interest deferred through 2011. Whew, that's a lot of money. (Let's not forget that he has a NTC, so we'll probably have to extend him to waive his NTC)

 

Actually I'm pretty sure he would be happy to get out of the negative situation in NY to join the team with the best record in baseball even if he doesn't get an extension.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Beltran at the right cost would be nice. I really don't like his contract, but if the Mets want to get rid of him, he would fill the whole in CF.

 

On the other hand, offense isn't our biggest problem right now. Taking on an 18.5 million per contract to help something that isn't quite broken may not be the best allocation of resources.

 

For me to get on board with a Beltran acquisition, it would probably need to be a deal in which the Cubs send good prospects but the Mets eat some of the contract, or it would need to be a deal in which the Cubs take on the contract but trade little to nothing of value. I doubt those options are appealing to the Mets.

[abuck1220]

you can take anything said on kxno with a negative 14 grains of salt.

[Abe Frohman]

I would probably rather have Beltran in CF than Soriano in LF. Not that it will ever happen, but Beltran is solid defensively at a tough position, plus he is going to hit.

 

Who would you rather be paying $18 million a year. Doesn't matter, just sayin.

[CubbieBum]

I would probably rather have Beltran in CF than Soriano in LF. Not that it will ever happen, but Beltran is solid defensively at a tough position, plus he is going to hit.

 

Who would you rather be paying $18 million a year. Doesn't matter, just sayin.

 

I would rather have them both for a collective 18 mil. Oh that's not possible well hot diggity damn.

[jersey cubs fan]

Not only does he make $18.5 million, but he's owed $18.5 million per year through 2011 with $22 million plus interest deferred through 2011. Whew, that's a lot of money. (Let's not forget that he has a NTC, so we'll probably have to extend him to waive his NTC)

 

Actually:

 

05:$10M, 06:$12M, 07:$12M, 08:$18.5M, 09:$18.5M, 10:$18.5M, 11:$18.5M

full no-trade clause

 

$22M ($5.5M annually from 2008-11 salaries) deferred at 1.72% compounded interest

club agreed to not offer arbitration after 2011 season

award bonuses: $0.1M each for Silver Slugger, Aaron Award, Gold Glove, most All Star votes in league, BA/TSN/AP MVP or Player of Year; $0.15M each for LDS MVP, LCS MVP; $0.2M each for 2nd-5th in MVP vote; $0.25M for WS MVP; $0.5M for first MVP; $1M for second MVP; $1.5M for third and subsequent MVPs

 

$5.5m from each of the 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 seasons is deferred. To when I do not know, but what that means is his salary paid in those years is $13m, and the team can payout the rest over time, meaning that what's left is a 3.5 year $64.75m deal that actually costs less in real terms. He's also a very good CF who hits extremely well for a CF. His 2005 season, first year in NY, was bad. However, going back to his age 26 season, his OPS+ has been 132, 132, 96, 150, 126, 126. He's a top 5 CF in all of a baseball with a more solid track record than any of the others, with the exception of Sizemore. He just turned 31, so, while he is likely past his prime, his contract will only pay him through 34. If he wants something like a 3-year extension in order to waive his no-trade, then he's probably too costly. But he'd be a hell of an addition to this Cubs team.

[Jon]

He would. And I'd imagine that the Mets would have to eat at least some of that contract if all they want in return is young pitching. However, I don't think the Cubs have the necessary trade chips if they're also going to go after a starter, which will likely be much more important.

[RammyFanny]

This was mentioned in the NY Daily News I hear, but i'm assuming it was more of an idea than rumor.

[jersey cubs fan]

Just wanted to add the NY media treats Beltran similarly to how Rozner treats Ramirez. They talk about him as if he doesn't care, doesn't show up when it matters, and is not a leader. It's somewhat similar to the sports talk coming out of Philly when they pushed Abreu out of town. I'm not predicting they dump him like I predicted Philly would dump Bobby, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that a Mets related overhaul could include dealing Beltran.

[CubbieBum]

Well I don't think anyone has said it but getting Beltran means no real SP. No C.C., Burnett, Harden maybe still a Wolf.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

While under the impression Beltran is having a bad year, I decided to look up his numbers: .273/374/481 with a 126 OPS+.

 

I change my mind. If we could get Beltran for Pie, I'd do the deal even if it meant taking on the contract.

 

His only year since 2001 where he had an OPS+ under 100 was 2005 which was his first year in NY. I think he battled injuries that year. His last three OPS+ counting this year: 150, 126, 126.

 

His stolen base percentage is excellent as well. He's stolen nine bases and only been caught once. Last year he stole 23 and was only caught twice, and in 2006 he stole 18 and was only caught 3 times. While he doesn't put up gaudy SB numbers, he uses his speed well and avoids making mistakes when choosing when to run.

 

He does have a big contract, and maybe the Mets could be persuaded to eat some of it. But Beltran could hit anywhere in the line-up form 1-6 and be an huge lift. He's not our biggest need, and maybe the contract is too burdensome, but if he were out there for the taking, he would make complete the only real hole in the line-up.

[Backtobanks]

While under the impression Beltran is having a bad year, I decided to look up his numbers: .273/374/481 with a 126 OPS+.

 

I change my mind. If we could get Beltran for Pie, I'd do the deal even if it meant taking on the contract.

His only year since 2001 where he had an OPS+ under 100 was 2005 which was his first year in NY. I think he battled injuries that year. His last three OPS+ counting this year: 150, 126, 126.

 

His stolen base percentage is excellent as well. He's stolen nine bases and only been caught once. Last year he stole 23 and was only caught twice, and in 2006 he stole 18 and was only caught 3 times. While he doesn't put up gaudy SB numbers, he uses his speed well and avoids making mistakes when choosing when to run.

 

He does have a big contract, and maybe the Mets could be persuaded to eat some of it. But Beltran could hit anywhere in the line-up form 1-6 and be an huge lift. He's not our biggest need, and maybe the contract is too burdensome, but if he were out there for the taking, he would make complete the only real hole in the line-up.

 

Vance, I'm hoping you didn't mean Beltran for Pie even up. I'm sure they would want Pie plus a few more prospects.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Doitdoitdoitdoitdoit.

 

A run scored is just as valuable as a run denied, and in this market I suspect it'll be a lot easier to add some runs scored in CF than to add some runs denied via SP.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Doitdoitdoitdoitdoit.

 

A run scored is just as valuable as a run denied, and in this market I suspect it'll be a lot easier to add some runs scored in CF than to add some runs denied via SP.

 

I agree with that statement, but our own roster is a consideration. We have a platoon that's a decent probability of putting up an .800-.850 OPS(with subpar defense) going forward. The upgrade to Beltran's .850-.900 OPS(with good defense) is probably a smaller one than using Sabathia/Burnett to replace Marquis or your best buddy Gallagher. However, Beltran would fix a problem long-term, unlike a Sabathia(and possibly Burnett), so it's still tempting. Too bad Edmonds/Johnson doesn't have the trade value Gallagher does.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Doitdoitdoitdoitdoit.

 

A run scored is just as valuable as a run denied, and in this market I suspect it'll be a lot easier to add some runs scored in CF than to add some runs denied via SP.

 

I agree with that statement, but our own roster is a consideration. We have a platoon that's a decent probability of putting up an .800-.850 OPS(with subpar defense) going forward. The upgrade to Beltran's .850-.900 OPS(with good defense) is probably a smaller one than using Sabathia/Burnett to replace Marquis or your best buddy Gallagher. However, Beltran would fix a problem long-term, unlike a Sabathia(and possibly Burnett), so it's still tempting. Too bad Edmonds/Johnson doesn't have the trade value Gallagher does.

 

It's the defense especially that gets me. Defense is important, and defense in CF is especially important, and I feel like we're just punting it for an adequate platoon.

 

Everyone and their mother will be in on the Sabathia sweepstakes (if he's even traded). 15 teams in baseball think they are a SP away from contention.

[RammyFanny]

This was the post on PSD the other day that I was talking about with the NY Daily News:

 

Sorry I don't have the article online, but I read this in the paper today:

 

----Prince Fielder could get on the market because of Matt Laporta/Gamel

 

-----cubs will be most agressive pursuers of Sabathia (nothing new, but just a reiteration) and look out for the Brewers due to their stocked AA team

 

-----Here's the most interesting tidbit---Sherman said that if Carlos Beltran were to become availible the Cubs would go after him. I thought to myself 'wow sick OF, but we'd be financially screwed'.

[shnsajax]

While under the impression Beltran is having a bad year, I decided to look up his numbers: .273/374/481 with a 126 OPS+.

 

I change my mind. If we could get Beltran for Pie, I'd do the deal even if it meant taking on the contract.

His only year since 2001 where he had an OPS+ under 100 was 2005 which was his first year in NY. I think he battled injuries that year. His last three OPS+ counting this year: 150, 126, 126.

 

His stolen base percentage is excellent as well. He's stolen nine bases and only been caught once. Last year he stole 23 and was only caught twice, and in 2006 he stole 18 and was only caught 3 times. While he doesn't put up gaudy SB numbers, he uses his speed well and avoids making mistakes when choosing when to run.

 

He does have a big contract, and maybe the Mets could be persuaded to eat some of it. But Beltran could hit anywhere in the line-up form 1-6 and be an huge lift. He's not our biggest need, and maybe the contract is too burdensome, but if he were out there for the taking, he would make complete the only real hole in the line-up.

 

Vance, I'm hoping you didn't mean Beltran for Pie even up. I'm sure they would want Pie plus a few more prospects.

 

If they get more prospects I would want them to eat probably 4 million a year or so.

[ChiCubsFan]

Doitdoitdoitdoitdoit.

 

A run scored is just as valuable as a run denied, and in this market I suspect it'll be a lot easier to add some runs scored in CF than to add some runs denied via SP.

 

This.

 

Just imagine:

LF Soriano

RF Fukudome

1B Lee

3B Ramirez

CF Beltran

C Soto

2B DeRosa

SS Theriot

 

Sick.

 

On the other hand, pitching wins in the playoffs and I think the upgrade from Marquis to Sabathia/Burnett/Harden is greater than Edmonds/Johnson to Beltran.