Carlos Beltran; a new rumor?

[USSoccer]

One could probably get both Beltran and Burnett, but it would probably completely gut the system (not that there's much to gut anyway).

 

If you look at having Pie, Colvin, Ceda, Marshall, Hill, Patterson, Murton...probably Cedeno available for deals, along with some other guys you could use...

 

Maybe Marshall, Pie and someone for Beltran, and Hill, Murton and Colvin for Burnett?

 

Is that enough? I tend to think that Burnett would be more costly than Beltran.

[gflore34]

One could probably get both Beltran and Burnett, but it would probably completely gut the system (not that there's much to gut anyway).

 

If you look at having Pie, Colvin, Ceda, Marshall, Hill, Patterson, Murton...probably Cedeno available for deals, along with some other guys you could use...

 

Maybe Marshall, Pie and someone for Beltran, and Hill, Murton and Colvin for Burnett?

 

Is that enough? I tend to think that Burnett would be more costly than Beltran.

 

I'd do it, any and every thing that'll increase Cubs' chances of winning the WS, I want to see a Cubs' WS in my lifetime. The time for caution and thinking about consequences down the line is over.

[RammyFanny]

One could probably get both Beltran and Burnett, but it would probably completely gut the system (not that there's much to gut anyway).

 

If you look at having Pie, Colvin, Ceda, Marshall, Hill, Patterson, Murton...probably Cedeno available for deals, along with some other guys you could use...

 

Maybe Marshall, Pie and someone for Beltran, and Hill, Murton and Colvin for Burnett?

 

Is that enough? I tend to think that Burnett would be more costly than Beltran.

I really doubt we can take on that much salary at this time.

[ChiCubsFan]

One could probably get both Beltran and Burnett, but it would probably completely gut the system (not that there's much to gut anyway).

 

If you look at having Pie, Colvin, Ceda, Marshall, Hill, Patterson, Murton...probably Cedeno available for deals, along with some other guys you could use...

 

Maybe Marshall, Pie and someone for Beltran, and Hill, Murton and Colvin for Burnett?

 

Is that enough? I tend to think that Burnett would be more costly than Beltran.

 

Not enough for Beltran and maybe too much for Burnett IMO. I don't think Burnett is gonna cost as much as you think. He's been injured a decent amount in Toronto and has put up ERAs in the high 3s and now high 4s. He got paid a lot to be an ace and hasn't been since he arrived there. I think they wouldn't mind getting out of his contract and picking up a couple good prospects. I guess it really matters what Hill's value is. Right now it's likely real low and your offer is probably about right on for Burnett.

[davearm2]

One could probably get both Beltran and Burnett, but it would probably completely gut the system (not that there's much to gut anyway).

 

If you look at having Pie, Colvin, Ceda, Marshall, Hill, Patterson, Murton...probably Cedeno available for deals, along with some other guys you could use...

 

Maybe Marshall, Pie and someone for Beltran, and Hill, Murton and Colvin for Burnett?

 

Is that enough? I tend to think that Burnett would be more costly than Beltran.

 

Not enough for Beltran and maybe too much for Burnett IMO. I don't think Burnett is gonna cost as much as you think. He's been injured a decent amount in Toronto and has put up ERAs in the high 3s and now high 4s. He got paid a lot to be an ace and hasn't been since he arrived there. I think they wouldn't mind getting out of his contract and picking up a couple good prospects. I guess it really matters what Hill's value is. Right now it's likely real low and your offer is probably about right on for Burnett.

Burnett's pricetag should be below that of a two-month rental, because with the opt-out clause, he'll be a two-month rental, or worse.

 

He's only going to stay in his deal if it's to his advantage, which by definition is to the team's disadvantage.

[USSoccer]

One could probably get both Beltran and Burnett, but it would probably completely gut the system (not that there's much to gut anyway).

 

If you look at having Pie, Colvin, Ceda, Marshall, Hill, Patterson, Murton...probably Cedeno available for deals, along with some other guys you could use...

 

Maybe Marshall, Pie and someone for Beltran, and Hill, Murton and Colvin for Burnett?

 

Is that enough? I tend to think that Burnett would be more costly than Beltran.

I really doubt we can take on that much salary at this time.

 

I'm thinking that payroll isn't going to keep us from winning this year. We have some money coming off the books next season, Burnett isn't likely to stay beyond this season, and all indications are that Hendry and Kenney are in complete "Win Now" mode.

[Backtobanks]

While under the impression Beltran is having a bad year, I decided to look up his numbers: .273/374/481 with a 126 OPS+.

 

I change my mind. If we could get Beltran for Pie, I'd do the deal even if it meant taking on the contract.

His only year since 2001 where he had an OPS+ under 100 was 2005 which was his first year in NY. I think he battled injuries that year. His last three OPS+ counting this year: 150, 126, 126.

 

His stolen base percentage is excellent as well. He's stolen nine bases and only been caught once. Last year he stole 23 and was only caught twice, and in 2006 he stole 18 and was only caught 3 times. While he doesn't put up gaudy SB numbers, he uses his speed well and avoids making mistakes when choosing when to run.

 

He does have a big contract, and maybe the Mets could be persuaded to eat some of it. But Beltran could hit anywhere in the line-up form 1-6 and be an huge lift. He's not our biggest need, and maybe the contract is too burdensome, but if he were out there for the taking, he would make complete the only real hole in the line-up.

 

Vance, I'm hoping you didn't mean Beltran for Pie even up. I'm sure they would want Pie plus a few more prospects.

 

If they get more prospects I would want them to eat probably 4 million a year or so.

 

You can't expect the Mets to trade an All Star CF for a prospect that has struggled in the majors. How many more prospects and the quality of the prospects might cause them to eat some salary. If the Mets are willing to trade Beltran for Pie (or Pie plus one prospect) then do it and don't worry about the contract.

[Jehrico]

One could probably get both Beltran and Burnett, but it would probably completely gut the system (not that there's much to gut anyway).

 

If you look at having Pie, Colvin, Ceda, Marshall, Hill, Patterson, Murton...probably Cedeno available for deals, along with some other guys you could use...

 

Maybe Marshall, Pie and someone for Beltran, and Hill, Murton and Colvin for Burnett?

 

Is that enough? I tend to think that Burnett would be more costly than Beltran.

I really doubt we can take on that much salary at this time.

I bet we could. If the new owner doesn't want to keep him at that rate, then spin him back off to another team and restock the farm.

[Jehrico]

While under the impression Beltran is having a bad year, I decided to look up his numbers: .273/374/481 with a 126 OPS+.

 

I change my mind. If we could get Beltran for Pie, I'd do the deal even if it meant taking on the contract.

His only year since 2001 where he had an OPS+ under 100 was 2005 which was his first year in NY. I think he battled injuries that year. His last three OPS+ counting this year: 150, 126, 126.

 

His stolen base percentage is excellent as well. He's stolen nine bases and only been caught once. Last year he stole 23 and was only caught twice, and in 2006 he stole 18 and was only caught 3 times. While he doesn't put up gaudy SB numbers, he uses his speed well and avoids making mistakes when choosing when to run.

 

He does have a big contract, and maybe the Mets could be persuaded to eat some of it. But Beltran could hit anywhere in the line-up form 1-6 and be an huge lift. He's not our biggest need, and maybe the contract is too burdensome, but if he were out there for the taking, he would make complete the only real hole in the line-up.

 

Vance, I'm hoping you didn't mean Beltran for Pie even up. I'm sure they would want Pie plus a few more prospects.

 

If they get more prospects I would want them to eat probably 4 million a year or so.

 

You can't expect the Mets to trade an All Star CF for a prospect that has struggled in the majors. How many more prospects and the quality of the prospects might cause them to eat some salary. If the Mets are willing to trade Beltran for Pie (or Pie plus one prospect) then do it and don't worry about the contract.

This is the team that traded Kazmir for Victor Zambrano. What did they get in return for Milledge? If you even want to make a move, strike now while Minaya is on the hot seat and pressure is on the organization to do something this year. If not Beltran then someone else, the Mets over everyone else are ripe to be ripped off. The question is, do they have any other realistic pieces that would fit with us that we could get them to move?

[David]

Having both Burnett and Beltran on this team (possibly for the next few years, which is more or less what this team's window is) would be too much goodness for my brain to handle. The team would be an absolute juggernaut.

 

That said, whether they can take on all that payroll is a big question, on top of the fact that it just isn't very likely to pick up two guys of that caliber at the trade deadline.

 

But....

 

Soriano, Fukudome, Lee, Ramirez, Beltran, Soto, DeRosa, Theriot

 

 

Zambrano, Burnett, Dempster, Lilly, Gallagher/Marquis

 

 

Wow :shock:

[Cubs Fan In New York]

While under the impression Beltran is having a bad year, I decided to look up his numbers: .273/374/481 with a 126 OPS+.

 

I change my mind. If we could get Beltran for Pie, I'd do the deal even if it meant taking on the contract.

His only year since 2001 where he had an OPS+ under 100 was 2005 which was his first year in NY. I think he battled injuries that year. His last three OPS+ counting this year: 150, 126, 126.

 

His stolen base percentage is excellent as well. He's stolen nine bases and only been caught once. Last year he stole 23 and was only caught twice, and in 2006 he stole 18 and was only caught 3 times. While he doesn't put up gaudy SB numbers, he uses his speed well and avoids making mistakes when choosing when to run.

 

He does have a big contract, and maybe the Mets could be persuaded to eat some of it. But Beltran could hit anywhere in the line-up form 1-6 and be an huge lift. He's not our biggest need, and maybe the contract is too burdensome, but if he were out there for the taking, he would make complete the only real hole in the line-up.

 

Vance, I'm hoping you didn't mean Beltran for Pie even up. I'm sure they would want Pie plus a few more prospects.

 

If they get more prospects I would want them to eat probably 4 million a year or so.

 

You can't expect the Mets to trade an All Star CF for a prospect that has struggled in the majors. How many more prospects and the quality of the prospects might cause them to eat some salary. If the Mets are willing to trade Beltran for Pie (or Pie plus one prospect) then do it and don't worry about the contract.

This is the team that traded Kazmir for Victor Zambrano. What did they get in return for Milledge? If you even want to make a move, strike now while Minaya is on the hot seat and pressure is on the organization to do something this year. If not Beltran then someone else, the Mets over everyone else are ripe to be ripped off. The question is, do they have any other realistic pieces that would fit with us that we could get them to move?

 

Ryan Church is probably the Mets best player right now and Schneider I believe has been an upgrade to Do Luca. Beltran has been their most consistent player this season so I don't think it would be that easy to get him. Couple that with the fact the fans go crazy whenever he steps to the plate.. Everytime I listen to 660 here they're always talking about trading Reyes and there's alot of fans that wouldn't mind him gone, not sure why but be that as it may.

[RedFlash]

Am I the only one who believes, that if the Cubs do persue Beltran, that in the offseason the Cubs would then spend Soriano off on another team, looking for offense? I could see Cubs acquire Beltran this deadline, and the offseason send Soriano to the Dodgers for.....whatever.

 

With that said, I don't expect the Cubs to actual target and acquire Beltran. This blog seems to be more wishful thinking then anything.

 

And who says Burnett would only be a two-month rental? I know he can opt out, but I could see the Cubs and Burnett agreeing to an extension that would keep Bunrett a Cubs for the immediate future.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Wed have to give up a hell of a prospect package to get Beltran, a lot more than Murton, Pie, Marshall. Also, as long as ownership is in limbo, you can forget about taking on the contract, and I cant imagine the Mets even considering a deal that didnt entail that.

[David]

Am I the only one who believes, that if the Cubs do persue Beltran, that in the offseason the Cubs would then spend Soriano off on another team, looking for offense? I could see Cubs acquire Beltran this deadline, and the offseason send Soriano to the Dodgers for.....whatever.

 

With that said, I don't expect the Cubs to actual target and acquire Beltran. This blog seems to be more wishful thinking then anything.

 

And who says Burnett would only be a two-month rental? I know he can opt out, but I could see the Cubs and Burnett agreeing to an extension that would keep Bunrett a Cubs for the immediate future.

 

 

When you consider that the Red Sox couldn't even give Manny away on his contract, there is not a chance in hell that anyone takes that horrendous monstrosity of a contract we gave Soriano off our hands, unless we eat a significant chunk.

[Backtobanks]

Am I the only one who believes, that if the Cubs do persue Beltran, that in the offseason the Cubs would then spend Soriano off on another team, looking for offense? I could see Cubs acquire Beltran this deadline, and the offseason send Soriano to the Dodgers for.....whatever.With that said, I don't expect the Cubs to actual target and acquire Beltran. This blog seems to be more wishful thinking then anything.

 

And who says Burnett would only be a two-month rental? I know he can opt out, but I could see the Cubs and Burnett agreeing to an extension that would keep Bunrett a Cubs for the immediate future.

 

I don't think we will ever get out of the Soriano contract, but the Dodgers could use him and trade us Kemp plus another prospect or two(Broxton/Billinsly/Kershaw :lol: ).

[Jehrico]

Am I the only one who believes, that if the Cubs do persue Beltran, that in the offseason the Cubs would then spend Soriano off on another team, looking for offense? I could see Cubs acquire Beltran this deadline, and the offseason send Soriano to the Dodgers for.....whatever.

 

With that said, I don't expect the Cubs to actual target and acquire Beltran. This blog seems to be more wishful thinking then anything.

 

And who says Burnett would only be a two-month rental? I know he can opt out, but I could see the Cubs and Burnett agreeing to an extension that would keep Bunrett a Cubs for the immediate future.

 

 

When you consider that the Red Sox couldn't even give Manny away on his contract, there is not a chance in hell that anyone takes that horrendous monstrosity of a contract we gave Soriano off our hands, unless we eat a significant chunk.

There were teams that would have taken Manny's contract if it weren't for "Manny being Manny." He's expensive, but he's not signed for that long, he'd bring in some more fans (and revenue), and would have been a great pick up for a short term situation. Manny's antics were what people didn't want to pay 20mil for, not his bat.

[David]

There were teams that would have taken Manny's contract if it weren't for "Manny being Manny." He's expensive, but he's not signed for that long, he'd bring in some more fans (and revenue), and would have been a great pick up for a short term situation. Manny's antics were what people didn't want to pay 20mil for, not his bat.

 

That pretty much helps my case, IMO. Manny, flaws and all, is a more attractive option than Soriano, especially a 3-4 years younger than now Manny.

[CubColtPacer]

Am I the only one who believes, that if the Cubs do persue Beltran, that in the offseason the Cubs would then spend Soriano off on another team, looking for offense? I could see Cubs acquire Beltran this deadline, and the offseason send Soriano to the Dodgers for.....whatever.

 

With that said, I don't expect the Cubs to actual target and acquire Beltran. This blog seems to be more wishful thinking then anything.

 

And who says Burnett would only be a two-month rental? I know he can opt out, but I could see the Cubs and Burnett agreeing to an extension that would keep Bunrett a Cubs for the immediate future.

 

 

When you consider that the Red Sox couldn't even give Manny away on his contract, there is not a chance in hell that anyone takes that horrendous monstrosity of a contract we gave Soriano off our hands, unless we eat a significant chunk.

 

Contracts have changed quite a bit since that Manny situation. That was at the height of deflation, when everyone was still reeling over A-Rods deal. Right now is the middle of the biggest collective expansion of payroll ever.

 

I still agree with you that teams are going to seriously question why the Cubs would be trading Soriano with 6 years left on his deal, and wouldn't bite on that contract. The Cubs are probably not going to get a good opportunity to deal him unless he's still pretty productive after year 4, and more likely after year 5.

 

I don't think the Cubs can get Beltran. There have been some recent rumors once again that the Cubs aren't sure what they can do as far as future payroll with the ownership situation. I'm sure they'd be authorized to take on some payroll, but I have to think they'd be very hesitant to take on 60 extra million for Beltran.

[brinoch]

I suggested in another thread that if the Mets fall out of it, the Cubs should go after Beltran. It wouldn't surprise me at all if others had the same idea.

[RedFlash]

When you consider that the Red Sox couldn't even give Manny away on his contract, there is not a chance in hell that anyone takes that horrendous monstrosity of a contract we gave Soriano off our hands, unless we eat a significant chunk.

 

When you consider that Brian Sabean, and Ned Colletti still has jobs, then the chances of one of them stepping up and wanting Soriano, remains a decent option. Everybody knows that LA would trade Penny for an impact bat. And seeing as Colletti definition of impact is not the same as a normal person, it is possible he would make a run at Soriano.

[Amazing_Grace]

Beltran would be a great pickup, no doubt. He's been a solid player who isn't that old. His contract is bad, but as jersey pointed out, it's not hideous. I can't see the Cubs taking the whole thing straight up though. The Mets would either have to eat salary or take on Marquis for this to be palatable at all, and it still leaves the Cubs in need of a solid #2 starter. I think the Yankees or White Sox might have a better shot. On the other hand, another team that might get into a Beltran sweepstakes is St. Louis, and that might tempt the Cubs to make a better offer to keep him out of STL or try to swing some sort of three way that sent Beltran away from the Cards.

[Post Count Padder]

That would be great but I'd like to bolster the rotation first. If we can do that and have plenty left over for Beltran, I'd go for it. However, it seems like it would be a one-or-the-other scenario.