CC Sabathia Traded to Brewers (for LaPorta + Prospects)

[Little Slide Rooter]

If we end up with Wolf or Maddux I would be pissed. Both of those guys are not upgrades, you can probably make a case proving they are downgrades actually.

 

I wouldnt be shocked in the slightest if the Brewers still end up going for Maddux. His brother is the pitching coach, and they certainly wouldnt have to give up any Gamels or Escobars.

[ChiCubsfan0502]

(a) the brewers' offense is a lot more "hit" than "miss"

(b) does the national league still have a wild card slot?

 

The Cubs offense is better the Brewers WITHOUT Soriano.

As far as (b) goes, that spot will be occupied by the Phillies or Mets.

[JWCUB]

I would love to have Cain. But what would he cost, and will the Giants be willing to trade him?

[VanceJergins]

(a) the brewers' offense is a lot more "hit" than "miss"

(b) does the national league still have a wild card slot?

 

The Cubs offense is better the Brewers WITHOUT Soriano.

As far as (b) goes, that spot will be occupied by the Phillies or Mets.

 

Philies will win the division and I wouldn't be surprised to see the Mets finish 4th.

[TruffleShuffle]

laporta is obviously the brewers' top prospect. another guy in the deal is 3B taylor green, who BA ranked as milwaukee's #17 prospect, but that seemed too low to me. this year he's posted a .298/.382/.448/.830 in the florida state league. they rate him as an "adequate" fielder.

 

drafting best player available is a shrewd move. everyone wondered what the hell the brewers were doing when they picked laporta, given the presence of braun and fielder, but look what they've turned him into. as an aside, that's another big reason why you pick wieters and not vitters last year.

[XZero771679666304]

If we end up with Wolf or Maddux I would be pissed. Both of those guys are not upgrades, you can probably make a case proving they are downgrades actually.

 

I wouldnt be shocked in the slightest if the Brewers still end up going for Maddux. His brother is the pitching coach, and they certainly wouldnt have to give up any Gamels or Escobars.

 

I hope they do. He'd get lit up like a Christmas tree in that park.

[ChiCubsFan]

If I was the Brewers I'd give up Gamel or Escobar or whoever is needed and get Rich Harden.

[JimSorgi]

(a) the brewers' offense is a lot more "hit" than "miss"

(b) does the national league still have a wild card slot?

 

The Cubs offense is better the Brewers WITHOUT Soriano.

As far as (b) goes, that spot will be occupied by the Phillies or Mets.

The Mets aren't that good.

[Little Slide Rooter]

watching some of the A's/Sox game before the Cubs game, I noticed something. I've never heard of half of the A's players, and the ones I have heard of would be on most teams bench. And its not like the Cardinals or Rays never heard of, it's the legitamately bad kind. Their top hitter, Mark Ellis is a .249/.345/.405 guy. Thats pretty bad. If we offered up enough prospects, we could get Harden. Im talking a bunch of em. I mean that is a bad team. I mean Cedeno, Hoffpauir, Murton could not only start, but hit 3-4-5 bad.

 

you're like 0-3 on this page alone. take a deep breath and think about some things.

 

People seem to think I was saying that Cedeno, Murton, and Hofpauir are enough to land Harden. Thats not what I was saying. I was simply saing that they have a bad offense, and with some quality prospects, they would be inclined to moe Harden, so how about you calm down and understand that I never said that 3 bench players/future jouneymen are going to land us a top of the line starter.

[JimSorgi]

watching some of the A's/Sox game before the Cubs game, I noticed something. I've never heard of half of the A's players, and the ones I have heard of would be on most teams bench. And its not like the Cardinals or Rays never heard of, it's the legitamately bad kind. Their top hitter, Mark Ellis is a .249/.345/.405 guy. Thats pretty bad. If we offered up enough prospects, we could get Harden. Im talking a bunch of em. I mean that is a bad team. I mean Cedeno, Hoffpauir, Murton could not only start, but hit 3-4-5 bad.

 

you're like 0-3 on this page alone. take a deep breath and think about some things.

 

People seem to think I was saying that Cedeno, Murton, and Hofpauir are enough to land Harden. Thats not what I was saying. I was simply saing that they have a bad offense, and with some quality prospects, they would be inclined to moe Harden, so how about you calm down and understand that I never said that 3 bench players/future jouneymen are going to land us a top of the line starter.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

I would love to have Cain. But what would he cost, and will the Giants be willing to trade him?

 

They need position players badly in SF. They have good pitching in their minor league system. Cain would be costly and I'm not sure the Cubs could offer anything all that enticing. Heck they haven't produce a position player of much merit since Will Clark.

 

Vitters might interest them, but that I think that gets a bit messy because it would be a PTBNL trade.

 

This being said never underestimate the stupidity that is Brian Sabean.

[ChiCubsFan]

laporta is obviously the brewers' top prospect. another guy in the deal is 3B taylor green, who BA ranked as milwaukee's #17 prospect, but that seemed too low to me. this year he's posted a .298/.382/.448/.830 in the florida state league. they rate him as an "adequate" fielder.

 

drafting best player available is a shrewd move. everyone wondered what the hell the brewers were doing when they picked laporta, given the presence of braun and fielder, but look what they've turned him into. as an aside, that's another big reason why you pick wieters and not vitters last year.

 

Vitters over Wieters had nothing to do with drafting best player available. At the time, we did not know if Geo was for real. Also, Ramirez is going to be holding down 3B for awhile so Vitters wasn't drafted based on need.

[VanceJergins]

laporta is obviously the brewers' top prospect. another guy in the deal is 3B taylor green, who BA ranked as milwaukee's #17 prospect, but that seemed too low to me. this year he's posted a .298/.382/.448/.830 in the florida state league. they rate him as an "adequate" fielder.

 

drafting best player available is a shrewd move. everyone wondered what the hell the brewers were doing when they picked laporta, given the presence of braun and fielder, but look what they've turned him into. as an aside, that's another big reason why you pick wieters and not vitters last year.

 

Wieters is OPS'ing 1.024 in A+ ball at age 22

Vitters is OPS'ing .923 in A- ball at age 18.

 

I wouldn't throw in the towel on that move just yet.

[Little Slide Rooter]

watching some of the A's/Sox game before the Cubs game, I noticed something. I've never heard of half of the A's players, and the ones I have heard of would be on most teams bench. And its not like the Cardinals or Rays never heard of, it's the legitamately bad kind. Their top hitter, Mark Ellis is a .249/.345/.405 guy. Thats pretty bad. If we offered up enough prospects, we could get Harden. Im talking a bunch of em. I mean that is a bad team. I mean Cedeno, Hoffpauir, Murton could not only start, but hit 3-4-5 bad.

 

you're like 0-3 on this page alone. take a deep breath and think about some things.

 

People seem to think I was saying that Cedeno, Murton, and Hofpauir are enough to land Harden. Thats not what I was saying. I was simply saing that they have a bad offense, and with some quality prospects, they would be inclined to moe Harden, so how about you calm down and understand that I never said that 3 bench players/future jouneymen are going to land us a top of the line starter.

 

People should have figured out that I tend to make over the top comments, which are often sarcastic or exadurations. I'll remember to type them in green.

Edited July 7, 2008 by Little Slide Rooter

[Transmogrified Tiger]

drafting best player available is a shrewd move. everyone wondered what the hell the brewers were doing when they picked laporta, given the presence of braun and fielder, but look what they've turned him into. as an aside, that's another big reason why you pick wieters and not vitters last year.

 

 

That's not even close to a good comparison.

[ChiCubsfan0502]

(a) the brewers' offense is a lot more "hit" than "miss"

(b) does the national league still have a wild card slot?

 

The Cubs offense is better the Brewers WITHOUT Soriano.

As far as (b) goes, that spot will be occupied by the Phillies or Mets.

The Mets aren't that good.

 

For the wild card they are. Stack them up against the Brewers and who would you take?

 

Starters? Maybe a slight edge to Milwaukee.

Pen? Mets, easily.

Offense? Mets.

[Schwarber Fan]

Jim, the ball is now in your court

 

GET BURNETT

[VanceJergins]

(a) the brewers' offense is a lot more "hit" than "miss"

(b) does the national league still have a wild card slot?

 

The Cubs offense is better the Brewers WITHOUT Soriano.

As far as (b) goes, that spot will be occupied by the Phillies or Mets.

The Mets aren't that good.

 

For the wild card they are. Stack them up against the Brewers and who would you take?

 

Starters? Maybe a slight edge to Milwaukee.

Pen? Mets, easily.

Offense? Mets.

 

I would take the Brewers offense 10 days a week over the Mets.

[ChiCubsFan]

(a) the brewers' offense is a lot more "hit" than "miss"

(b) does the national league still have a wild card slot?

 

The Cubs offense is better the Brewers WITHOUT Soriano.

As far as (b) goes, that spot will be occupied by the Phillies or Mets.

The Mets aren't that good.

 

For the wild card they are. Stack them up against the Brewers and who would you take?

 

Starters? Maybe a slight edge to Milwaukee.

Pen? Mets, easily.

Offense? Mets.

 

WHAT?

[Clem Fandango]

watching some of the A's/Sox game before the Cubs game, I noticed something. I've never heard of half of the A's players, and the ones I have heard of would be on most teams bench. And its not like the Cardinals or Rays never heard of, it's the legitamately bad kind. Their top hitter, Mark Ellis is a .249/.345/.405 guy. Thats pretty bad. If we offered up enough prospects, we could get Harden. Im talking a bunch of em. I mean that is a bad team. I mean Cedeno, Hoffpauir, Murton could not only start, but hit 3-4-5 bad.

 

you're like 0-3 on this page alone. take a deep breath and think about some things.

 

People seem to think I was saying that Cedeno, Murton, and Hofpauir are enough to land Harden. Thats not what I was saying. I was simply saing that they have a bad offense, and with some quality prospects, they would be inclined to moe Harden, so how about you calm down and understand that I never said that 3 bench players/future jouneymen are going to land us a top of the line starter.

 

He was probably referring to the fact that you were saying Oakland is a bad team, when in fact they have the 4th best run differential in the AL (6th best in the majors), and are in 2nd place in their division behind by a still reachable 6 games.

[XZero771679666304]

(a) the brewers' offense is a lot more "hit" than "miss"

(b) does the national league still have a wild card slot?

 

The Cubs offense is better the Brewers WITHOUT Soriano.

As far as (b) goes, that spot will be occupied by the Phillies or Mets.

The Mets aren't that good.

 

For the wild card they are. Stack them up against the Brewers and who would you take?

 

Starters? Maybe a slight edge to Milwaukee.

Pen? Mets, easily.

Offense? Mets.

 

Their talent hasn't served them well to this point.

[erik316wttn]

Jim, the ball is now in your court

 

GET BURNETT

 

I'd be OK with Harden, too.

 

What about Cliff Lee or Aaron Cook?

[ChiCubsfan0502]

(a) the brewers' offense is a lot more "hit" than "miss"

(b) does the national league still have a wild card slot?

 

The Cubs offense is better the Brewers WITHOUT Soriano.

As far as (b) goes, that spot will be occupied by the Phillies or Mets.

The Mets aren't that good.

 

For the wild card they are. Stack them up against the Brewers and who would you take?

 

Starters? Maybe a slight edge to Milwaukee.

Pen? Mets, easily.

Offense? Mets.

 

I would take the Brewers offense 10 days a week over the Mets.

 

Not really. Actually, not at all.

[TruffleShuffle]

The Cubs offense is better the Brewers WITHOUT Soriano.

 

O RLY?

 

on the cubs' side:

soto is way better than kendall

derosa at this point is a little better than weeks

ramirez is easily better than hall

 

on the brewers' side:

hardy is better than theriot

fielder is marginally better than lee

cameron is better than edmonds/johnson

braun is way better than whoever's playing left in soriano's absence

hart is probably slightly better than fukudome, but it's close

 

 

As far as (b) goes, that spot will be occupied by the Phillies or Mets.

 

the same mets that trail the brewers by either 5 or 6 games, pending the outcome of their game today? BP has the NL east at roughly a 10% chance of winning the wild card, so your confidence in this respect is unwarranted.

[CoolHandLuke]

There goes CC's chance at the K title.