Bulls get the #1 pick! 2008 NBA Draft Discussion

[TruffleShuffle]

What do you guys think of John Hollinger's draft analysis where he uses college stats to predict their eventual value?

 

I never was a big fan but they seem especially wacky this year.

what did he say about Morrison and Redick when they were drafted?

 

Redick needs to get the hell out of Orlando. He has no future on that team. I think he could become a decent role player, but it has to be the right situation.

If he can't play as a spot up shooter on a team with the best low post player in basketball, where would he succeed?

the problem is that they already have two perimeter players whose job it is to score in Turkoglu and Lewis.

I get that, but shooting is maybe the toughest thing to find in the league. There is no question he could do that. SO why can't he even get on the court? Especially on a team that really doesn't have a two guard. The two you mentioned are still post players. I really think that Reddick is just this generation's Alford.

 

There's a difference between being able to shoot and being able to create a shot in the nba. I have no doubt that he can sit outside the 3-point line and drain jumpers all night long, but i dont think he's quick, agile or strong enough to get his shot off in the league.

 

kyle korver really isn't quick, agile or strong, and he's made a niche for himself in the league. don't know if reddick is slower than korver, but that seems hard to imagine, honestly.

[RynoRules]

From the Pistons' p.o.v., I don't get the Davis / Harrington to Det. for Billups / Wallace rumor. They are both allergic to defense and Davis is set to make something $17 mill. this yr. Moreover, who will score on the inside for them if Wallace is gone? How will that effect Rip Hamilton and his jump shooting? And how do you now blame Flip for the three straight outs in the EC Finals if you are tearing the team down?

 

The only reason I can see to do this is that Davis is in the final year of his deal and thus leaves you with a ton of cap room next offseason. Harrington can score and is relatively young, so if he you hate him he is tradeable (again).

[Transmogrified Tiger]

kyle korver really isn't quick, agile or strong, and he's made a niche for himself in the league. don't know if reddick is slower than korver, but that seems hard to imagine, honestly.

 

I imagine Korver's height(he's what, 5 inches taller than Redick?) adds to his margin for error when it comes to getting shots up quickly, or creating space for yourself to get off his shot.

[RynoRules]

Done deal:

 

Sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher that the Pacers and the Raptors have agreed to a deal that, pending physicals, would send Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto in exchange for T.J. Ford, Rasho Nesterovic and the No. 17 pick in Thursday's NBA draft.

 

There will have to be another player or players added to the deal to make the salaries match, according to the rules of the collective bargaining agreement.

 

Ford's contract makes him a "base-year compensation" player, meaning the trade cannot be completed until July 9.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3461029

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

some more crazy rumors

 

http://probasketballnews.com/amico_062508.html

[Vanilla Ice]

Bobcats get the 20th pick from the Nuggets for a future first rounder.

 

this would have made me happy except then I saw the players they were looking at for 20.

 

MJ needs to get off my #2 team

[Keener98]

Oh how Id love for Eric Gordon to go to the Knicks.

[RynoRules]

some more crazy rumors

 

http://probasketballnews.com/amico_062508.html

 

I am calling "BS" on this one:

 

 

* One example: Duke guard DeMarcus Nelson, who isn’t projected to even be selected in most mock drafts, could be a late first-round pick, according to two GMs. Nelson gave a strong showing in Orlando and both Detroit and Boston are said to be interested in getting him early.

 

That's just crazy talk.

[imb]

What do you guys think of John Hollinger's draft analysis where he uses college stats to predict their eventual value?

 

I never was a big fan but they seem especially wacky this year.

what did he say about Morrison and Redick when they were drafted?

 

Redick needs to get the hell out of Orlando. He has no future on that team. I think he could become a decent role player, but it has to be the right situation.

If he can't play as a spot up shooter on a team with the best low post player in basketball, where would he succeed?

the problem is that they already have two perimeter players whose job it is to score in Turkoglu and Lewis.

I get that, but shooting is maybe the toughest thing to find in the league. There is no question he could do that. SO why can't he even get on the court? Especially on a team that really doesn't have a two guard. The two you mentioned are still post players. I really think that Reddick is just this generation's Alford.

 

There's a difference between being able to shoot and being able to create a shot in the nba. I have no doubt that he can sit outside the 3-point line and drain jumpers all night long, but i dont think he's quick, agile or strong enough to get his shot off in the league.

 

kyle korver really isn't quick, agile or strong, and he's made a niche for himself in the league. don't know if reddick is slower than korver, but that seems hard to imagine, honestly.

 

Korver is 6'6 and is being guarded by slower players than guard Redick, who has a size disadvantage to go along with his quickness disadvantage

[sneakypower]

Moreover, who will score on the inside for them if Wallace is gone?

to be fair, Rasheed never really scored on the inside.

[illiniguy]

What do you guys think of John Hollinger's draft analysis where he uses college stats to predict their eventual value?

 

I never was a big fan but they seem especially wacky this year.

what did he say about Morrison and Redick when they were drafted?

 

Redick needs to get the hell out of Orlando. He has no future on that team. I think he could become a decent role player, but it has to be the right situation.

If he can't play as a spot up shooter on a team with the best low post player in basketball, where would he succeed?

the problem is that they already have two perimeter players whose job it is to score in Turkoglu and Lewis.

I get that, but shooting is maybe the toughest thing to find in the league. There is no question he could do that. SO why can't he even get on the court? Especially on a team that really doesn't have a two guard. The two you mentioned are still post players. I really think that Reddick is just this generation's Alford.

 

There's a difference between being able to shoot and being able to create a shot in the nba. I have no doubt that he can sit outside the 3-point line and drain jumpers all night long, but i dont think he's quick, agile or strong enough to get his shot off in the league.

 

kyle korver really isn't quick, agile or strong, and he's made a niche for himself in the league. don't know if reddick is slower than korver, but that seems hard to imagine, honestly.

 

Korver is 6'6 and is being guarded by slower players than guard Redick, who has a size disadvantage to go along with his quickness disadvantage

So he isn't very big, can't create his own shot, and isn't quick. Sounds like a bust that even the best change of scenery won't help. Note this doesn't even bring up the point he can't guard a chair in practice.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Reddick is trash..I thought this was established before he even entered the NBA?

[chuckywang]

What do you guys think of John Hollinger's draft analysis where he uses college stats to predict their eventual value?

 

I never was a big fan but they seem especially wacky this year.

what did he say about Morrison and Redick when they were drafted?

 

Redick needs to get the hell out of Orlando. He has no future on that team. I think he could become a decent role player, but it has to be the right situation.

If he can't play as a spot up shooter on a team with the best low post player in basketball, where would he succeed?

the problem is that they already have two perimeter players whose job it is to score in Turkoglu and Lewis.

I get that, but shooting is maybe the toughest thing to find in the league. There is no question he could do that. SO why can't he even get on the court? Especially on a team that really doesn't have a two guard. The two you mentioned are still post players. I really think that Reddick is just this generation's Alford.

 

There's a difference between being able to shoot and being able to create a shot in the nba. I have no doubt that he can sit outside the 3-point line and drain jumpers all night long, but i dont think he's quick, agile or strong enough to get his shot off in the league.

 

kyle korver really isn't quick, agile or strong, and he's made a niche for himself in the league. don't know if reddick is slower than korver, but that seems hard to imagine, honestly.

 

Korver is 6'6 and is being guarded by slower players than guard Redick, who has a size disadvantage to go along with his quickness disadvantage

So he isn't very big, can't create his own shot, and isn't quick. Sounds like a bust that even the best change of scenery won't help. Note this doesn't even bring up the point he can't guard a chair in practice.

 

To say that a player is a bust when he can only get 8 minutes of playing time per game is premature. And Redick can create his own shot ... he did it all the time at Duke. His shooting stats from two years in the NBA aren't bad. I'm confident he'll catch on somewhere, just not in Orlando with defensive-minded Van Gundy.

[David]

Barry Rozner continues his stupidity....how does a person like this have a job at a semi-major paper in a major market?

 

All his pieces are either Greg Maddux fluff pieces or the most horrendous ideas imaginable.

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=212307

 

Drafting Derrick Rose is a good, safe pick.

 

Nothing bad about it.

 

So you can be certain that's what Bulls GM John Paxson will do tonight.

 

But here are some possibilities to consider if Paxson wants to think big, and get bigger and better faster:

 

Trade the No. 1 pick to the Knicks for the No. 6 selection and monster low-post scorer Zach Randolph, and then draft the best point guard still available, hopefully D.J. Augustin.

[RedFlash]

Barry Rozner continues his stupidity....how does a person like this have a job at a semi-major paper in a major market?

 

All his pieces are either Greg Maddux fluff pieces or the most horrendous ideas imaginable.

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=212307

 

Drafting Derrick Rose is a good, safe pick.

 

Nothing bad about it.

 

So you can be certain that's what Bulls GM John Paxson will do tonight.

 

But here are some possibilities to consider if Paxson wants to think big, and get bigger and better faster:

 

Trade the No. 1 pick to the Knicks for the No. 6 selection and monster low-post scorer Zach Randolph, and then draft the best point guard still available, hopefully D.J. Augustin.

 

And while we are at it, maybe the Bulls can add Thomas and Noah to the deal and take back Curry just to be "fair." Rosner stupidity surpasses Sam Smith. To even run the risk of watching your howngrown star blossoming with one of your heated/heated rivals like the Knicks is pure stupidity.

[rawaction]

1. Safe pick? Yeah, I think it's safe to pick the best player in the draft.

 

2. He wants a team who has recently drafted high risk guys like Thomas, Curry, Chandler, Gordon, Thabo, and Crawford to NOT draft a safe pick?

[Soul]

Barry Rozner continues his stupidity....how does a person like this have a job at a semi-major paper in a major market?

 

All his pieces are either Greg Maddux fluff pieces or the most horrendous ideas imaginable.

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=212307

 

Drafting Derrick Rose is a good, safe pick.

 

Nothing bad about it.

 

So you can be certain that's what Bulls GM John Paxson will do tonight.

 

But here are some possibilities to consider if Paxson wants to think big, and get bigger and better faster:

 

Trade the No. 1 pick to the Knicks for the No. 6 selection and monster low-post scorer Zach Randolph, and then draft the best point guard still available, hopefully D.J. Augustin.

 

And while we are at it, maybe the Bulls can add Thomas and Noah to the deal and take back Curry just to be "fair." Rosner stupidity surpasses Sam Smith. To even run the risk of watching your howngrown star blossoming with one of your heated/heated rivals like the Knicks is pure stupidity.

 

I'm having real difficulty understanding how Rozner's boss lets him put this stuff out. My God that's stupid. If I didn't know it was Rozner, I'd think it was an Onion piece or something.

 

Sure, it's all about free speech and opinions, but at some point if I'm Barry's superior, don't I call him in to talk about the quality of his ideas - ?

 

That's literally dumber than most jokers off the street who call into talk shows.

[bukie]

So, arguably the best player in the draft grew up in the area, is dying to play for the Bulls, has a great attitude and work ethic, and the Bulls should trade the pick for Zach Randolph? That makes perfect sense.

[Soul]

So, arguably the best player in the draft grew up in the area, is dying to play for the Bulls, has a great attitude and work ethic, and the Bulls should trade the pick for Zach Randolph?

 

Yep, that's about it.

[CuseCubFan69]

I still don't understand the hype about Mayo. IMO, he's Marbury that can't shoot but can drive better. I just don't see it, especially at 6'5".

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I still don't understand the hype about Mayo. IMO, he's Marbury that can't shoot but can drive better. I just don't see it, especially at 6'5".

 

Mayo's a better shooter than I thought, look at his percentages.

[CuseCubFan69]

I still don't understand the hype about Mayo. IMO, he's Marbury that can't shoot but can drive better. I just don't see it, especially at 6'5".

 

Mayo's a better shooter than I thought, look at his percentages.

 

Maybe but imo he'll be another 20+ shot a game guy that won't really help his team get any better. I just don't him as a 2 over Beasley or Rose and depending on how bad the rest of the players are that are eligible to be drafted how he could be a #3.

[gflore34]

Until its realized I can't get over thinking Paxson' going to do something foolish - trade the pick or draft Beasley.

[tfarks]

The draft is tonight at 7 ET on ESPN. Being a bit of a draft junkie I'm looking forward to this before I hit the bars.

 

I know you Bulls fans have been looking forward to this ya lucky bastards. But my Chicago love never reached to the Bulls, besides being a Jordan fan when I was younger like everyone else. I'm a Pacers' fan, and while that's been tough recently I like the position they set themselves up with. By moving O'neal to Toronto for TJ Ford and Rasho Nesterovic...and someone like Maceo Baston to fill out the trade they got themselves that desperately needed point guard as well as rotational big men. They also received pick #17. This gives the Pacers the 11th and 17th picks in the draft. The top 10 talent is pretty rich and I look for the Pacers to gobble on a leftover. I mean whens the last time the projected top 10 actually went 1-10?

 

1. Derrick Rose 6-3 PG Memphis Stock Up

The best pure point guard in the draft could push for the No. 1 overall pick.

2. Michael Beasley 6-8 PF Kansas State Stock Down

Best outside-inside talent in the draft. A lock for the No. 1 or No. 2 pick if character questions check out.

3. O.J. Mayo 6-4 SG USC Stock Up

It's clear Mayo's going to be a great NBA scorer ... but will he give a team anything else?

4. Russell Westbrook 6-4 PG UCLA Stock Up

Athletic combo guard seems to have the tools to be a star ... but are they refined enough?

5. Danilo Gallinari 6-9 SF Italy Stock Up

Many in Italy feel he's a better long-term prospect than Andrea Bargnani -- think an Italian Toni Kukoc.

6. Jerryd Bayless 6-3 PG Arizona Stock Down

Athletic combo guard put up big numbers as a freshman at Arizona.

7. Kevin Love 6-10 PF UCLA Stock Up

8. Joe Alexander 6-8 SF West Virginia Stock Down

9. Eric Gordon 6-3 SG Indiana Stock Up

Do-it-all combo guard has a chance to be a bigger, better version of Ben Gordon.

10. Brandon Rush 6-7 SG Kansas Stock Up

 

Thats Chad Ford's Big Board...if one of those players falls to 11 I'll be happy. Every single one of those players will help the Pacers...It would be great to see someone like Bayless, Gordon, or Lopez fall into the Pacers' lap. I'm not a fan of Koufos, if none of those guys falls I'd hope for Anthony Randolph, Mario Chalmers, or one of my favorites - Marreese Speights at 11. At 17 there's a lot of good options, perhaps Robin Lopez, Roy Hibbert or DeAndre Jordan. The Pacers need an influx of capable big men to offset the loss of O'Neal. Overall I'm feeling positive, I feel this is a fairly deep draft and the Pacers' franchise is finally rebuilding the right way. Let's get this thing going already.

[Banedon]

I know the thread has a Bulls slant, but there's a lot of general NBA draft discussion already underway in this thread...lets keep it there. No need for two threads to follow for this...

 

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