MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[Outshined_One]

One of the insiders over at orioleshangout says a deal might go down tonight for one of the Orioles big 3 (Bedard, Roberts, Tejada). He won't say which one though.

 

Ok Monty....is it curtain 1 - 2 or 3?

 

Don't forget to switch after they open one of the curtains with a goat behind it.

 

Ahh man...did you have to say goat?

 

That's the biggest problem with the Cubs. They never pay attention to the statistics and probabilities. :(

[CuseCubFan69]

One of the insiders over at orioleshangout says a deal might go down tonight for one of the Orioles big 3 (Bedard, Roberts, Tejada). He won't say which one though.

 

Ok Monty....is it curtain 1 - 2 or 3?

 

Don't forget to switch after they open one of the curtains with a goat behind it.

 

Ahh man...did you have to say goat?

 

That's the biggest problem with the Cubs. They never pay attention to the statistics and probabilities. :(

 

Then go to Chicago and bug Mr. Hendry for job until he finally says yes.

[craig]

Theriot saw 3.53 P/PA last year. He ranked 67th out of the 75 batters with enough PA to qualify. I wouldn't exactly say he's much less likely to swing at junk and I certainly wouldn't qualify his approach as "discipline"

 

I think he is much less likely to swing at junk, relative to Pie. He's just so weak that pitchers have no fear about throwing him strikes. And since he's pretty good at contacting the strikes (even if he's so weak that the resulting contact is often weak and outable), it often takes fewer pitches to resolve his AB's than for guys who swing and miss a lot (like Pie).

 

Hard to have a high P/PA ratio when pitchers have pitchers come right at you with strikes (given no fear), and when you often hit strikes when you swing (because you can make contact).

 

Not sure that makes you a hacker or undisciplined.

 

My point is that Theriot will likely be the same hitter with the same limitations whether he's batting 8th, 7th, or 2nd. He's likely to be a lightweight with a low P/PA even if he never swings at a non-strike.

 

But I think for a hacker like Pie, pitchers may have an even easier time getting him to swing at non-strikes if he's batting 8th.

[killthegoat06]

One of the insiders over at orioleshangout says a deal might go down tonight for one of the Orioles big 3 (Bedard, Roberts, Tejada). He won't say which one though.

 

Ok Monty....is it curtain 1 - 2 or 3?

 

Don't forget to switch after they open one of the curtains with a goat behind it.

 

Ahh man...did you have to say goat?

 

That's the biggest problem with the Cubs. They never pay attention to the statistics and probabilities. :(

 

Then go to Chicago and bug Mr. Hendry for job until he finally says yes.

Offer him a box of doughnuts.

[apete6]

Any updates on the Orioles front?

 

Will getting Kuroda hurt the Dodgers chances of trading for Bedard?

[E.J.]

Any updates on the Orioles front?

 

Will getting Kuroda hurt the Dodgers chances of trading for Bedard?

 

The Orioles board just blew up because one of their insiders said Tejada was traded to the Astros for Luke Scott, Albers, Patton, Costanza and another minor league pitcher. I don't see any media outlet picking it up yet, but the orioleshangout board is going crazy.

[Post Count Padder]

The Chicago Tribune's Phil Rogers believes the Cubs' price for Brian Roberts will be Sean Gallagher, a young hitter and one more young pitcher.

 

He says maybe Eric Patterson, Sam Fuld or Matt Murton for the hitter and then a random oft-injured right-hander from the Cubs' ample pile for the pitcher: Angel Guzman, Billy Petrick or Adam Harben. Frankly, we think if any combination of those players would have gotten a deal done, it would have happened at the winter meetings. Roberts has more value than that even before accounting for the fact that he's such a fan favorite in Baltimore and owner Peter Angelos would insist on an especially high return in order to move him. Still, Rogers thinks the deal has a reasonable chance of happening.

Source: Chicago Tribune

[inari]

I'd be stunned if Roberts isn't a Cub. Stunned.

[CuseCubFan69]

The Chicago Tribune's Phil Rogers believes the Cubs' price for Brian Roberts will be Sean Gallagher, a young hitter and one more young pitcher.

 

He says maybe Eric Patterson, Sam Fuld or Matt Murton for the hitter and then a random oft-injured right-hander from the Cubs' ample pile for the pitcher: Angel Guzman, Billy Petrick or Adam Harben. Frankly, we think if any combination of those players would have gotten a deal done, it would have happened at the winter meetings. Roberts has more value than that even before accounting for the fact that he's such a fan favorite in Baltimore and owner Peter Angelos would insist on an especially high return in order to move him. Still, Rogers thinks the deal has a reasonable chance of happening.

Source: Chicago Tribune

 

The 2 pitcher thing kind of bugs me. It takes away a lot of depth for just a decent 2nd baseman.

[UMFan83]

If we trade Gallagher and another young pitcher (lets say Marshall) and let Prior go, I'm really worried about the depth of our rotation, a rotation that overperformed their expectations last season.

 

Zambrano

Lilly

Marquis

Hill

Dempster

 

then who else?

Veal?

Hart?

[Rob]

Everybody over at Orioles Hangout is convinced that they're gonna spin Scott back to us in the Roberts trade... netting them Pie, Gallager, and another prospect.

 

2B - Roberts

CF - Fukudome

1B - Lee

3B - Ramirez

LF - Soriano

RF - Scott

C - Soto

SS - Theriot

 

If the Astros non-tendered Everett, I could get behind that team going out there everyday.

[soonercub]

Is Cedeno going to be the O's new shortstop? Who do they have that can play short now? I don't think we have any room for Luke Scott. If the Cubs move Cedeno, Gallager and someone else to net Roberts, who is the back up shortstop for the Cubs?

[CubColtPacer]

Everybody over at Orioles Hangout is convinced that they're gonna spin Scott back to us in the Roberts trade... netting them Pie, Gallager, and another prospect.

 

2B - Roberts

CF - Fukudome

1B - Lee

3B - Ramirez

LF - Soriano

RF - Scott

C - Soto

SS - Theriot

 

If the Astros non-tendered Everett, I could get behind that team going out there everyday.

 

Scott and Murton would be quite a platoon in RF. If the Cubs gave up both Pie and Gallagher though, they shouldn't have to give up anybody else.

 

That would be a much better offense though overall. Soto should be an upgrade at C, Scott/Murton should be a little better overall production than Floyd/Murton, and Fukudome is a big upgrade over what Jones and Pie combined to do last year. Also, the bench highlighted by DeRosa, Ward, and Murton is probably the best I've ever seen on the Cubs. That would likely push them into the top 5 of the NL in offense, and as long as the pitching didn't collapse (which is possible considering the depth if multiple injuries happened) that team would win a lot of games.

[98navigator]

I'd be stunned if Roberts isn't a Cub. Stunned.

 

Me too but there will probably be a PR hit because I expect his name to be on the Mitchell Report.

[ChiCubsFan]

Is Cedeno going to be the O's new shortstop? Who do they have that can play short now? I don't think we have any room for Luke Scott. If the Cubs move Cedeno, Gallager and someone else to net Roberts, who is the back up shortstop for the Cubs?

 

Theriot. Khalil Greene will start

[rchap24]

Is Cedeno going to be the O's new shortstop? Who do they have that can play short now? I don't think we have any room for Luke Scott. If the Cubs move Cedeno, Gallager and someone else to net Roberts, who is the back up shortstop for the Cubs?

 

Theriot. Khalil Greene will start

No offense to you in particular, but why is everyone so nuts about the average SS Khalil Green?

[jersey cubs fan]

Is Cedeno going to be the O's new shortstop? Who do they have that can play short now? I don't think we have any room for Luke Scott. If the Cubs move Cedeno, Gallager and someone else to net Roberts, who is the back up shortstop for the Cubs?

 

Theriot. Khalil Greene will start

No offense to you in particular, but why is everyone so nuts about the average SS Khalil Green?

 

Leaving out for a moment that average may be understating it, I will just say that average would be a huge improvement over what the Cubs have at SS.

[CubColtPacer]

Is Cedeno going to be the O's new shortstop? Who do they have that can play short now? I don't think we have any room for Luke Scott. If the Cubs move Cedeno, Gallager and someone else to net Roberts, who is the back up shortstop for the Cubs?

 

Theriot. Khalil Greene will start

No offense to you in particular, but why is everyone so nuts about the average SS Khalil Green?

 

I think because he's the only SS that people think they can realistically trade for that would be an upgrade to Theriot. I don't think SD is going to trade him though, so it seems more like very wishful thinking than anything.

[Rob]

Is Cedeno going to be the O's new shortstop? Who do they have that can play short now? I don't think we have any room for Luke Scott. If the Cubs move Cedeno, Gallager and someone else to net Roberts, who is the back up shortstop for the Cubs?

 

Theriot. Khalil Greene will start

No offense to you in particular, but why is everyone so nuts about the average SS Khalil Green?

 

1. He's above average.

 

2. Even if he were merely average, that would represent a very significant improvement over Theriot.

[UMFan83]

Everybody over at Orioles Hangout is convinced that they're gonna spin Scott back to us in the Roberts trade... netting them Pie, Gallager, and another prospect.

 

2B - Roberts

CF - Fukudome

1B - Lee

3B - Ramirez

LF - Soriano

RF - Scott

C - Soto

SS - Theriot

 

If the Astros non-tendered Everett, I could get behind that team going out there everyday.

 

I don't want to give up Pie, but if we had to throw him in for Luke Scott to sweeten the deal, I would do that. Then all you have to do is find a way to convince Lou and JH that DeRosa can play SS and we'd have an awesome offense balanced with power, obp, speed, and LH/RH

 

2B - Roberts (S) Good OBP and excellent speed

CF - Fukudome (L) Very good/Excellent OBP, above average power and speed

1B - Lee ® - Excellent OBP, passible speed and good power

3B - Ramirez ® Good OBP, great power

LF - Soriano ® Great power, very good speed

RF - Scott (L) Good power, good OBP

SS - DeRosa ® Decent power, good OBP

C - Soto ® Unknown but should be a solid hitter.

[Sammy Sofa]

Is Cedeno going to be the O's new shortstop? Who do they have that can play short now? I don't think we have any room for Luke Scott. If the Cubs move Cedeno, Gallager and someone else to net Roberts, who is the back up shortstop for the Cubs?

 

Theriot. Khalil Greene will start

No offense to you in particular, but why is everyone so nuts about the average SS Khalil Green?

 

Much better defensively, much more power, offensive numbers hampered by playing in the giant stadiums on the West Coast.

[David]

Is Cedeno going to be the O's new shortstop? Who do they have that can play short now? I don't think we have any room for Luke Scott. If the Cubs move Cedeno, Gallager and someone else to net Roberts, who is the back up shortstop for the Cubs?

 

Theriot. Khalil Greene will start

No offense to you in particular, but why is everyone so nuts about the average SS Khalil Green?

 

 

First of all, even if he were average, that would be a huge upgrade over Theriot.

 

Second, away from PetCo, he'll be well above average.

[David]

LOL like 5 replies saying the same thing...

[hawkeyecub]

Is Cedeno going to be the O's new shortstop? Who do they have that can play short now? I don't think we have any room for Luke Scott. If the Cubs move Cedeno, Gallager and someone else to net Roberts, who is the back up shortstop for the Cubs?

 

Theriot. Khalil Greene will start

No offense to you in particular, but why is everyone so nuts about the average SS Khalil Green?

 

Because Meph started advocating him and posted his rationale. Suddenly a bunch of people who hated him months or even weeks ago (because of the terrible OBP) are clamoring for him.

[David]

Not gonna lie, he made a really compelling case.

 

I never realized Greene's splits were that dramatic. On top of it, I just want some upgrade, ANY upgrade at SS.