MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[javy knows my name]

here's the thread. the member named bigbird also posted in the thread. Belkast isn't talking about Bigbird from Sesame street. He's talking about another poster on orioleshangout who also has inside information.

 

http://www.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56059&page=3

Just the same, I wouldn't get too worked up over any rumor posted on a message board, we are usually among the unwashed masses who get to know when everyone else does.

 

I imagine Bruce Miles will know something before bigbird.

For the sake of the legitimacy of nsbb, lets hope so ;-)

[David]

If they get Roberts and Fukudome, and do nothing else, how many runs would the lineup conceivably score? Anyone? Meph?

 

Let's say lineup A with Fuku in RF, Pie in CF, Roberts at 2B and DeRo on the bench (ugh)

 

The other likely option would be Fuku in CF, DeRo in RF, and so on..

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I don't know why I'm continuing to read this Orioles Hangout thread, it's just making me angry how much they want from us for Roberts. Not that we don't do the same thing, but it's slightly annoying to read Pie + Gallagher + Prior as a merely adequate package for Brian "Mark DeRosa + stolen bases + leftyness" Roberts.

[JeffH]

If they get Roberts and Fukudome, and do nothing else, how many runs would the lineup conceivably score? Anyone? Meph?

 

Let's say lineup A with Fuku in RF, Pie in CF, Roberts at 2B and DeRo on the bench (ugh)

 

The other likely option would be Fuku in CF, DeRo in RF, and so on..

 

LF Soriano

CF Pie

RF Kosuke

3B Ramirez

SS Theriot

2B Roberts

1B Lee

C Soto

 

might be able to push across 800 runs.

[Banedon]

If they get Roberts and Fukudome, and do nothing else, how many runs would the lineup conceivably score? Anyone? Meph?

 

Let's say lineup A with Fuku in RF, Pie in CF, Roberts at 2B and DeRo on the bench (ugh)

 

The other likely option would be Fuku in CF, DeRo in RF, and so on..

 

LF Soriano

CF Pie

RF Kosuke

3B Ramirez

SS Theriot

2B Roberts

1B Lee

C Soto

 

might be able to push across 800 runs.

 

If we get Roberts, I don't see any way that they don't bat him leadoff.

[JeffH]

Not a batting order, dude.

 

I don't imagine Theriot will hit fifth...

[BigbadB]

If they get Roberts and Fukudome, and do nothing else, how many runs would the lineup conceivably score? Anyone? Meph?

 

Let's say lineup A with Fuku in RF, Pie in CF, Roberts at 2B and DeRo on the bench (ugh)

 

The other likely option would be Fuku in CF, DeRo in RF, and so on..

 

LF Soriano

CF Pie

RF Kosuke

3B Ramirez

SS Theriot

2B Roberts

1B Lee

C Soto

 

might be able to push across 800 runs.

 

If we get Roberts, I don't see any way that they don't bat him leadoff.

 

While I wouldn't put it past Dusty Baker to send that line up out there, I don't think this poster is implying that this should be the line up.

[CubinNY]

If the Cubs get Fukudome and Roberts, I will be pretty happy with this off-season. I will be expecting at least 90 wins too.

[Banedon]

Not a batting order, dude.

 

I don't imagine Theriot will hit fifth...

 

LOL...ok...I was really concerned the more I looked at that. Lee 7th? #-o

[USSoccer]

I don't know why I'm continuing to read this Orioles Hangout thread, it's just making me angry how much they want from us for Roberts. Not that we don't do the same thing, but it's slightly annoying to read Pie + Gallagher + Prior as a merely adequate package for Brian "Mark DeRosa + stolen bases + leftyness" Roberts.

 

GRIT.

[David]

Not a batting order, dude.

 

I don't imagine Theriot will hit fifth...

 

 

Yea, I was tricked at first, too. Soriano at leadoff and Soto 8th threw me off.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I don't know why I'm continuing to read this Orioles Hangout thread, it's just making me angry how much they want from us for Roberts. Not that we don't do the same thing, but it's slightly annoying to read Pie + Gallagher + Prior as a merely adequate package for Brian "Mark DeRosa + stolen bases + leftyness" Roberts.

 

GRIT.

 

Wow, I thought that was bad, some of the posts in that thread are calling/hoping for Bedard for Kemp/LaRoche/Kershaw/Broxton. All of them.

 

On second look, that might be Bedard + Tejada. But still, even Colletti has to have limits, right?

[USSoccer]

I don't know why I'm continuing to read this Orioles Hangout thread, it's just making me angry how much they want from us for Roberts. Not that we don't do the same thing, but it's slightly annoying to read Pie + Gallagher + Prior as a merely adequate package for Brian "Mark DeRosa + stolen bases + leftyness" Roberts.

 

GRIT.

 

Wow, I thought that was bad, some of the posts in that thread are calling/hoping for Bedard for Kemp/LaRoche/Kershaw/Broxton. All of them.

 

On second look, that might be Bedard + Tejada. But still, even Colletti has to have limits, right?

 

That's still delusional. That's way too much talent for those 2 players.

[RammyFanny]

Haha, like an hour after BigBird said the Dodgers might package Tejada with Bedard, Rosenthall says the same thing:

The Orioles, according to sources, also are entertaining the idea of packaging Bedard with shortstop Miguel Tejada to yield an even higher return. Such a proposal would make particular sense for the Dodgers, who have the need for both players and the young talent to make such a deal occur.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7548574

[E.J.]

Haha, like an hour after BigBird said the Dodgers might package Tejada with Bedard, Rosenthall says the same thing:

The Orioles, according to sources, also are entertaining the idea of packaging Bedard with shortstop Miguel Tejada to yield an even higher return. Such a proposal would make particular sense for the Dodgers, who have the need for both players and the young talent to make such a deal occur.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7548574

 

Those guys over at orioleshangout have shown over and over again that they have inside information.

[Vanilla Ice]

Not a batting order, dude.

 

I don't imagine Theriot will hit fifth...

 

 

Yea, I was tricked at first, too. Soriano at leadoff and Soto 8th threw me off.

 

Geovany Soto

[Post Count Padder]

Not a batting order, dude.

 

I don't imagine Theriot will hit fifth...

 

 

Yea, I was tricked at first, too. Soriano at leadoff and Soto 8th threw me off.

 

Geovany Soto

[mdwilla]

I have a bad feeling Kenny Williams is gonna get in on these miggy/bedard trade talks and make a move when it's Hendry who should be looking at them not Roberts.

[YearofDaCubs]

Pie and Prior for Roberts?Why? If we are going to give up Pie, let's improve the team, not get back another DeRosa with speed to play his position.

[SABR Gamer]

If they get Roberts and Fukudome, and do nothing else, how many runs would the lineup conceivably score? Anyone? Meph?

 

Let's say lineup A with Fuku in RF, Pie in CF, Roberts at 2B and DeRo on the bench (ugh)

 

The other likely option would be Fuku in CF, DeRo in RF, and so on..

 

LF Soriano

CF Pie

RF Kosuke

3B Ramirez

SS Theriot

2B Roberts

1B Lee

C Soto

 

might be able to push across 800 runs.

 

I don't agree with that statement, you have to think about how drastically better that team is than last year. Last year the Cubs scored 752 runs, with Izturis, Koyie Hill, Rob Bowen, Mike Fontenot, Angel Pagan, Matt Murton, Cliff Floyd, Craig Monroe, and Theriot (playing about as consistent as Rex Grossman) all getting playing time, with a few getting considerable PT. I think Murton is good but he played pretty bad for at least the first part of his season, and Theriot is mediocre...almost at best, don't want to say for sure at best because he showed he can be solid at times. Add to that the fact that our three best players all missed extended periods of time because of injuries, and all played with lingering injuries, Ramirez and his wrist and knee, Soriano's leg, Lee still not fully over his wrist issues. If those three play healthy that alone will add more runs to our lineup. Pie could be an offensive improvement from Jones, he surely will hit for more power than Jones' pathetic 5 jacks last year. Fukudome could double to triple Floyd's power numbers and would hit for a much better average/obp as well as be faster on the base paths. Roberts' presence at the top of the lineup will create more run scoring opportunities and Soriano in the heart will also. Theriot IS better than Izturis, and lets say he plays like most expect and isn't very good then Cedeno, who has potential to be a very good offensive SS, and for sure will hit for more power than Theriot, could be given a shot, even DeRosa. Most of all, the biggest difference is that Soto will be an offensive force at catcher, a position where the Cubs used Koyie Hill, Henry Blanco, Michael Barrett, Jason Kendall, and Rob Bowen last year, a truly aweful list of people to be used as a starter. Soto will be a monstrous upgrade. Your saying all of those improvements will only lead to 48 more runs? I doubt it. That lineup has some serious run scoring ability that I believe you are under rating.

 

With that team the lineup would be something like:

 

Roberts -.285-.305, 10-18 HR, .370-.390 obp

Theriot/DeRosa/....Cedeno? - anywhere from .260-.280, 3-12 HR (depending on the player), .330-.370 obp

Lee - .290-.325, 25-35 HR, .390-.410 obp

Ramirez - .290-.320, 30-40 HR, .360-.370 obp

Soriano - .280-.300, 35-45 HR, .335-.345 obp

Fukudome - (totally unpredictable) .280-.300, 18-25 HR, .360-.370 obp

Soto - .280-.310, 18-25 HR, .360-.380 obp

Pie - .230-.280, 10-14 HR, .285-.335 obp (optimistic i know)

 

 

I'm sure everyone could critique my stats but they are what I think has a reasonable chance of happening. Anyway, I don't think that they would barely out perform last years offense. I mean come on, there were times when Ramirez and Lee were injured that Fontenot/Theriot/DeRosa were 3 of our 4 infielders....you gotta remember there were times when our lineup was embarrassing last year.

[Bluescale]

Soto - .280-.310, 18-25 HR, .360-.380 obp

 

I'm as on the Soto bandwagon as anyone else, but those numbers are very unlikely to happen. Those are ROY numbers. While it's possible, I wouldn't pencil it in just yet.

[JeffH]

Soto - .280-.310, 18-25 HR, .360-.380 obp

 

Can I get a couple hundred bucks on the "under" on these numbers?

[VanceJergins]

Soto - .280-.310, 18-25 HR, .360-.380 obp

 

I'm as on the Soto bandwagon as anyone else, but those numbers are very unlikely to happen. Those are ROY numbers. While it's possible, I wouldn't pencil it in just yet.

 

I wouldn't really be surprised by the low end of those numbers.

[Post Count Padder]

Soto - .280-.310, 18-25 HR, .360-.380 obp

 

I'm as on the Soto bandwagon as anyone else, but those numbers are very unlikely to happen. Those are ROY numbers. While it's possible, I wouldn't pencil it in just yet.

Yeah, next season I see something more like:

 

.270/.340/.420 10-15 HRs

[Bluescale]

Soto - .280-.310, 18-25 HR, .360-.380 obp

 

I'm as on the Soto bandwagon as anyone else, but those numbers are very unlikely to happen. Those are ROY numbers. While it's possible, I wouldn't pencil it in just yet.

 

I wouldn't really be surprised by the low end of those numbers.

 

.280/.360 with 18 HR?

 

He'd have been one of the best hitters on the team last year...