MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[CuseCubFan69]

If we trade Gallagher and another young pitcher (lets say Marshall) and let Prior go, I'm really worried about the depth of our rotation, a rotation that overperformed their expectations last season.

 

Zambrano

Lilly

Marquis

Hill

Dempster

 

then who else?

Veal?

Hart?

 

USS said Petrick in another tread. Didn't they move Veal to the pen?

[Rob]

If we trade Gallagher and another young pitcher (lets say Marshall) and let Prior go, I'm really worried about the depth of our rotation, a rotation that overperformed their expectations last season.

 

Zambrano

Lilly

Marquis

Hill

Dempster

 

then who else?

Veal?

Hart?

 

USS said Petrick in another tread. Didn't they move Veal to the pen?

 

I think we've still got O'Malley who wouldn't kill us for a few starts if we needed him.

[ctcf]

If Roberts really is on the Mitchell report, does this plan get squashed when he's named tomorrow at 2pm?

[justlikethecubs]

If we trade Gallagher and another young pitcher (lets say Marshall) and let Prior go, I'm really worried about the depth of our rotation, a rotation that overperformed their expectations last season.

 

Zambrano

Lilly

Marquis

Hill

Dempster

 

then who else?

Veal?

Hart?

 

USS said Petrick in another tread. Didn't they move Veal to the pen?

 

I think we've still got O'Malley who wouldn't kill us for a few starts if we needed him.

 

Do we still have Mateo? I can't remember hearing anything about him for a while.

Edited December 12, 2007 by justlikethecubs

[Rob]

If Roberts really is on the Mitchell report, does this plan get squashed when he's named tomorrow at 2pm?

 

I'd think if we don't get the trade done in the next couple hours, it'd probably wait til Christmas... but I doubt it gets squashed either way.

[UMFan83]

If we trade Gallagher and another young pitcher (lets say Marshall) and let Prior go, I'm really worried about the depth of our rotation, a rotation that overperformed their expectations last season.

 

Zambrano

Lilly

Marquis

Hill

Dempster

 

then who else?

Veal?

Hart?

 

USS said Petrick in another tread. Didn't they move Veal to the pen?

 

I think we've still got O'Malley who wouldn't kill us for a few starts if we needed him.

 

Do we still have Mateo? I can't remember hearing anything about him for a while.

 

He was injured most of last year...I don't think he's high on the totem poll really.

[CubColtPacer]

If Roberts really is on the Mitchell report, does this plan get squashed when he's named tomorrow at 2pm?

 

I doubt it. It will certainly raise suspicion about his 2005 numbers, but it's not like there will be a suspension coming for the people on the report.

[ctcf]

If Roberts really is on the Mitchell report, does this plan get squashed when he's named tomorrow at 2pm?

 

I'd think if we don't get the trade done in the next couple hours, it'd probably wait til Christmas... but I doubt it gets squashed either way.

 

You really think it has the chance of getting done today? Why would it wait til X-Mas?

[ChiCubsFan]

Not gonna lie, he made a really compelling case.

 

I never realized Greene's splits were that dramatic. On top of it, I just want some upgrade, ANY upgrade at SS.

 

Yeah, I agree with this. I mean I always really liked Greene as a shortstop. He was a good defender and hit for power. His OBP hampered my enthusiasm for him, though. However, after seeing the splits and reading Meph's argument, I'm on board with the idea. I would expect a .800-.850 at least in OPS from Greene and much improved defense (specifically range) over Theriot. That's such a huge upgrade. It would make me giddy.

[nikao]

To me, the upgrade at SS is much more pressing than 2B, and Greene sounds like a good possibility. After Fukudome, though, I can't imagine the Padres are chomping at the bit to deal with the Cubs.

[Rob]

To me, the upgrade at SS is much more pressing than 2B, and Greene sounds like a good possibility. After Fukudome, though, I can't imagine the Padres are chomping at the bit to deal with the Cubs.

 

Really?

 

Cause the Padres are in desperate need of OFers, and the Cubs have Pie to offer up.

[justlikethecubs]

Not gonna lie, he made a really compelling case.

 

I never realized Greene's splits were that dramatic. On top of it, I just want some upgrade, ANY upgrade at SS.

 

Yeah, I agree with this. I mean I always really liked Greene as a shortstop. He was a good defender and hit for power. His OBP hampered my enthusiasm for him, though. However, after seeing the splits and reading Meph's argument, I'm on board with the idea. I would expect a .800-.850 at least in OPS from Greene and much improved defense (specifically range) over Theriot. That's such a huge upgrade. It would make me giddy.

 

I agree Greene would be a very nice upgrade but isn't this all speculation at this point? I thought I had followed along pretty closely the last few days and I don't remember an article or quote anywhere stating we were talking about Greene with the Pads. Is this still just wishful thinking or is there confirmation somewhere that the Cubs have inquired recently about him?

[Guest]

If we trade Gallagher and another young pitcher (lets say Marshall) and let Prior go, I'm really worried about the depth of our rotation, a rotation that overperformed their expectations last season.

 

Zambrano

Lilly

Marquis

Hill

Dempster

 

then who else?

Veal?

Hart?

 

USS said Petrick in another tread. Didn't they move Veal to the pen?

 

Veal is still in the rotation as of now. He might move there soon. Petrick is probably going to stick in the pen due to the injury history.

 

Behind Hart is Mateo and then probably Veal/Samardzija on the depth chart (if Gallagher is traded).

[Exile on Waveland]

To me, the upgrade at SS is much more pressing than 2B, and Greene sounds like a good possibility. After Fukudome, though, I can't imagine the Padres are chomping at the bit to deal with the Cubs.

 

Really?

 

Cause the Padres are in desperate need of OFers, and the Cubs have Pie to offer up.

 

And if Murton isn't foolishly included in a Roberts deal (though he will be), the Cubs would have both Pie and Murton to offer for Greene.

[UMFan83]

If we trade Gallagher and another young pitcher (lets say Marshall) and let Prior go, I'm really worried about the depth of our rotation, a rotation that overperformed their expectations last season.

 

Zambrano

Lilly

Marquis

Hill

Dempster

 

then who else?

Veal?

Hart?

 

USS said Petrick in another tread. Didn't they move Veal to the pen?

 

Veal is still in the rotation as of now. He might move there soon. Petrick is probably going to stick in the pen due to the injury history.

 

Behind Hart is Mateo and then probably Veal/Samardzija on the depth chart (if Gallagher is traded).

 

That doesn't sound too promising. It could be 2006 all over again if a pitcher or two gets hurt for the Cubs.

[David]

A few people have stated that the Pads wouldn't deal with the Cubs because of sour grapes about losing out on Fukudome. That sounds completely outlandish to me.

 

Maybe it's true, but any GM that would base personnel decisions on emotions like this doesn't deserve his job.

[CuseCubFan69]

If we trade Gallagher and another young pitcher (lets say Marshall) and let Prior go, I'm really worried about the depth of our rotation, a rotation that overperformed their expectations last season.

 

Zambrano

Lilly

Marquis

Hill

Dempster

 

then who else?

Veal?

Hart?

 

USS said Petrick in another tread. Didn't they move Veal to the pen?

 

Veal is still in the rotation as of now. He might move there soon. Petrick is probably going to stick in the pen due to the injury history.

 

Behind Hart is Mateo and then probably Veal/Samardzija on the depth chart (if Gallagher is traded).

 

Do you think that giving up 2 pitchers leaves the Cubs with enough depth to cover injuries?

[moorecg]

A few people have stated that the Pads wouldn't deal with the Cubs because of sour grapes about losing out on Fukudome. That sounds completely outlandish to me.

 

Maybe it's true, but any GM that would base personnel decisions on emotions like this doesn't deserve his job.

 

Especially since use acquiring him for the OF (and having 2 OF spots essentially blocked for 4 years) now makes us a prime candidate for having extra outfielders to trade.

[CUBZ99]

To me, the upgrade at SS is much more pressing than 2B, and Greene sounds like a good possibility. After Fukudome, though, I can't imagine the Padres are chomping at the bit to deal with the Cubs.

 

Really?

 

Cause the Padres are in desperate need of OFers, and the Cubs have Pie to offer up.

 

And if Murton isn't foolishly included in a Roberts deal (though he will be), the Cubs would have both Pie and Murton to offer for Greene.

 

After the signing of Fukudome, there is almost zero chance that Pie would be included in any deal.

[CUBZ99]

Just caught the score's latest update. Offman stated that the Cubs are looking for another Starting pitcher and implied that they might get in on the action for Bedard.

 

If they could get Roberts and Bedard without giving up Hill I'm all for it.

[JeffH]

Just caught the score's latest update. Offman stated that the Cubs are looking for another Starting pitcher and implied that they might get in on the action for Bedard.

 

If they could get Roberts and Bedard without giving up Hill I'm all for it.

 

"Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much." - George Costanza

[UMFan83]

Just caught the score's latest update. Offman stated that the Cubs are looking for another Starting pitcher and implied that they might get in on the action for Bedard.

 

If they could get Roberts and Bedard without giving up Hill I'm all for it.

 

Lets do it

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If we trade Gallagher and another young pitcher (lets say Marshall) and let Prior go, I'm really worried about the depth of our rotation, a rotation that overperformed their expectations last season.

 

Zambrano

Lilly

Marquis

Hill

Dempster

 

then who else?

Veal?

Hart?

 

 

That list of Guzman, Petrick, Harben doesn't really sound equivalent to Marshall to me. Zambrano, Lilly, Hill, Marquis, Marshall, Dempster, Marmol, and Hart(with Veal, Atkins, Samardzija, and Holliman as options if they break out) is enough depth for me.

[Abe Frohman]

I don't really understand the notion that the Cubs acquiring Khalil Greene is paramount to getting Brian Roberts because "we need a SS more than a 2B."

 

Roberts would change the face of our offense. Either acquisition would be great. Despite Greene's low OB% - he does bring things to the table that would definately make the Cubs a better team (great defense, run production) and he would be a great improvement.

 

Despite all the options we have at 2B, adding Roberts would be bigger than adding Greene, IMO. Roberts would give us a great leadoff hitter, and force (I would think) Soriano into the heart of the order.

[XZero771679666304]

Just caught the score's latest update. Offman stated that the Cubs are looking for another Starting pitcher and implied that they might get in on the action for Bedard.

 

If they could get Roberts and Bedard without giving up Hill I'm all for it.

 

I'd be all for it as well, but it's hard to see how it could happen without Rich included.

Edited December 12, 2007 by XZero77