Kazuo Matsui to the Astros (per ESPN 1000)

[CubinNY]

No matter how much you distrust Hendry he has to be building up to make a major trade, he can't be this ignorant.

Yes he can.

 

What bigger trade can the Cubs make without making them worse? If they trade Lee, Aramis, Z, or Hill at best they can hope to get the same level of potential production. None of the prospects are all that attractive, except for Pie (who doesn't love Pie?). They don't have a whole lot to bargin with. Who are they going to get with DeRosa + prospects? Marmol + prospects? DeRosaa + Marmol + prospects? Why does Fukudome need a caddy?

 

Honestly I don't pretend to know other than it's fun to speculate what they can get for X and Y players. There are other GMs and scouts that may see something in a Cub player young or old that would help their team. Somebody could be making a salary dump that we don't know about and Hendry does and he's involved in talks with them and has to acquire a player first (possibly Matsui) to cover himself. I'm not a big Hendry fan but this just doesn't add up.

 

I agree. But a lot of what Hendry does doesn't add up. It seems to me that he is the eternal optimist, always preparing for the best case and not recognizing the worst case.

 

If the price of Fukudome (who is 30 BTW) includes Kaz Matusi for 3 years that price is too high, IMO>

[BigbadB]

No matter how much you distrust Hendry he has to be building up to make a major trade, he can't be this ignorant.

Yes he can.

 

What bigger trade can the Cubs make without making them worse? If they trade Lee, Aramis, Z, or Hill at best they can hope to get the same level of potential production. None of the prospects are all that attractive, except for Pie (who doesn't love Pie?). They don't have a whole lot to bargin with. Who are they going to get with DeRosa + prospects? Marmol + prospects? DeRosaa + Marmol + prospects? Why does Fukudome need a caddy?

 

Exactly. Hendry very well could prove us all wrong with some stunning deal, but what's the likelihood? If you do end up giving up DeRosa in a bigger deal, you've downgraded 2b significantly in doing so. What exactly makes DeRosa such a hot commodity to other teams? He's not exactly cheap for the production he provides. He's not head and shoulders better than other 2b's that could potentially be available.

[jersey cubs fan]

Good golly this could be bad. If he signs Matsui and doesn't get Fukudome, this team would be up it's creek.

[jersey cubs fan]

No matter how much you distrust Hendry he has to be building up to make a major trade, he can't be this ignorant.

Yes he can.

 

What bigger trade can the Cubs make without making them worse? If they trade Lee, Aramis, Z, or Hill at best they can hope to get the same level of potential production. None of the prospects are all that attractive, except for Pie (who doesn't love Pie?). They don't have a whole lot to bargin with. Who are they going to get with DeRosa + prospects? Marmol + prospects? DeRosaa + Marmol + prospects? Why does Fukudome need a caddy?

 

Exactly. Hendry very well could prove us all wrong with some stunning deal, but what's the likelihood? If you do end up giving up DeRosa in a bigger deal, you've downgraded 2b significantly in doing so. What exactly makes DeRosa such a hot commodity to other teams? He's not exactly cheap for the production he provides. He's not head and shoulders better than other 2b's that could potentially be available.

 

He'd do alright manning third base in Florida for a year or two.

[CuseCubFan69]

No matter how much you distrust Hendry he has to be building up to make a major trade, he can't be this ignorant.

Yes he can.

 

What bigger trade can the Cubs make without making them worse? If they trade Lee, Aramis, Z, or Hill at best they can hope to get the same level of potential production. None of the prospects are all that attractive, except for Pie (who doesn't love Pie?). They don't have a whole lot to bargin with. Who are they going to get with DeRosa + prospects? Marmol + prospects? DeRosaa + Marmol + prospects? Why does Fukudome need a caddy?

 

Honestly I don't pretend to know other than it's fun to speculate what they can get for X and Y players. There are other GMs and scouts that may see something in a Cub player young or old that would help their team. Somebody could be making a salary dump that we don't know about and Hendry does and he's involved in talks with them and has to acquire a player first (possibly Matsui) to cover himself. I'm not a big Hendry fan but this just doesn't add up.

 

I agree. But a lot of what Hendry does doesn't add up. It seems to me that he is the eternal optimist, always preparing for the best case and not recognizing the worst case.

 

If the price of Fukudome (who is 30 BTW) includes Kaz Matusi for 3 years that price is too high, IMO>

 

I can't disagree too much unless Fukudome is an impact player. If Hendry can package Murton, Derosa, Cedeno, Theriot, Marquis and reliever and some young players in a package (Not all of the players mentioned but an assortment) I think he could get a very good player in return.

[BigbadB]

No matter how much you distrust Hendry he has to be building up to make a major trade, he can't be this ignorant.

Yes he can.

 

What bigger trade can the Cubs make without making them worse? If they trade Lee, Aramis, Z, or Hill at best they can hope to get the same level of potential production. None of the prospects are all that attractive, except for Pie (who doesn't love Pie?). They don't have a whole lot to bargin with. Who are they going to get with DeRosa + prospects? Marmol + prospects? DeRosaa + Marmol + prospects? Why does Fukudome need a caddy?

 

Exactly. Hendry very well could prove us all wrong with some stunning deal, but what's the likelihood? If you do end up giving up DeRosa in a bigger deal, you've downgraded 2b significantly in doing so. What exactly makes DeRosa such a hot commodity to other teams? He's not exactly cheap for the production he provides. He's not head and shoulders better than other 2b's that could potentially be available.

 

He'd do alright manning third base in Florida for a year or two.

 

He would be a step up from Aaron Boone. But, the packages that LA will be offering (especially now that ARod is off the market) surely could beat what the Cubs can offer.

[javy knows my name]

So this is what Hendry is copying from the Red Sox, huh? They sign one Japanese guy to help out the bigger name, and they won the World Series. Must copy them.

Now if only Kaz could put up a 29.3 VORP like Okajima.

Good lord :shock:

[Post Count Padder]

Good golly this could be bad. If he signs Matsui and doesn't get Fukudome, this team would be up it's creek.

If this happens, we should all go to Chicago and kick Hendry in the nuts.

[CuseCubFan69]

No matter how much you distrust Hendry he has to be building up to make a major trade, he can't be this ignorant.

Yes he can.

 

What bigger trade can the Cubs make without making them worse? If they trade Lee, Aramis, Z, or Hill at best they can hope to get the same level of potential production. None of the prospects are all that attractive, except for Pie (who doesn't love Pie?). They don't have a whole lot to bargin with. Who are they going to get with DeRosa + prospects? Marmol + prospects? DeRosaa + Marmol + prospects? Why does Fukudome need a caddy?

 

Exactly. Hendry very well could prove us all wrong with some stunning deal, but what's the likelihood? If you do end up giving up DeRosa in a bigger deal, you've downgraded 2b significantly in doing so. What exactly makes DeRosa such a hot commodity to other teams? He's not exactly cheap for the production he provides. He's not head and shoulders better than other 2b's that could potentially be available.

 

He'd do alright manning third base in Florida for a year or two.

 

He would be a step up from Aaron Boone. But, the packages that LA will be offering (especially now that ARod is off the market) surely could beat what the Cubs can offer.

 

I'd be shocked if the Cubs got Miggy over the Angels or Dodgers due to their farms. I'm hoping that the Fish are in love with a couple of Cub prospects, mainly Pie since they might need a young CF.

[abuck1220]

No matter how much you distrust Hendry he has to be building up to make a major trade, he can't be this ignorant. Now, you might not like who he is going to trade for but we also have been pleasantly surprised with some of his deals as well. It's only November and there is a lot of time and Hendry struck quickly last year so he may take more time this off season.

 

what has hendry done to give you such confidence?

 

Because this build up of middle infielders just doesn't make sense. If this Matsui thing is even true.

 

a lot of what he's done doesn't make sense. that's why the cubs haven't been very good during his tenure.

 

i also don't see hendry wanting to trade derosa. what with this versatility boner he's had lately, you'd think derosa would be the apple of his eye.

[CuseCubFan69]

No matter how much you distrust Hendry he has to be building up to make a major trade, he can't be this ignorant. Now, you might not like who he is going to trade for but we also have been pleasantly surprised with some of his deals as well. It's only November and there is a lot of time and Hendry struck quickly last year so he may take more time this off season.

 

what has hendry done to give you such confidence?

 

Because this build up of middle infielders just doesn't make sense. If this Matsui thing is even true.

 

a lot of what he's done doesn't make sense. that's why the cubs haven't been very good during his tenure.

 

i also don't see hendry wanting to trade derosa. what with this versatility boner he's had lately, you'd think derosa would be the apple of his eye.

 

What worries me is that you may be right and he has him slotted for RF. Think about what he said earlier...He was happy with Theriot and a lot of people were quite unhappy with this statement. He's up to something and it may include Theriot being dealt instead. Theriot has some things that people like and this might actually be Hendry selling him at his highest value.

 

Plus, Hendry has been pretty consistent in his foolish moves. He usually has a little theme he goes with and imo it'll be speed this off season.

[MSG T]

Good golly this could be bad. If he signs Matsui and doesn't get Fukudome, this team would be up it's creek.

If this happens, we should all go to Chicago and kick Hendry in the nuts.

 

Tim McClellen and Eric Cooper have a one hour show, once a week, on a local sports radio network( in Des Moines). Last night they had Hendry on. I didn't get to hear the whole interview, I heard maybe 5 of the 15 or so minutes he was on. The gist of what he said was they are happy with their current SS, though an upgrade might be possible, but that they really need to upgrade RF and they desperately need some LH hitting, particularly a power bat. He didn't even mention Matsui, though if they are working on a deal that shouldn't be a surprise.

 

I realize this isn't completely on topic, but I don't have a link( couldn't find a podcast on the stations site) so I didn't think it deserved it own thread. He just reitterated some of the things already mentioned in this thread. It just blows my mind that he can't see where their needs really are and aren't.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Even if this signing is somehow a bait-and-hook for Fukudome, it's unjustified IMO. Would you approve spending $12-14 million over 3 years on a crappy, redundant MIFer to help sign Bobby Abreu or Mark Kotsay circa 2002? Neither would I.

 

Nothing about Fukudome suggests he's so good that he's worth making this sort of move for. If A-Rod offered to sign w/ the Cubs for $15 million a year as long as we signed David Eckstein, I'd do that. But not for this guy.

 

Murton will likely produce an OPS in the .800 -.820 range, and costs $400k and takes up 1 roster spot. Fukudome is projected to produce an OPS anywhere from .800 - .890 based on what I've read here, and could cost $12-15 million a year + $3 million a year for a fellow countryman to come in and ground into 4-3s and get on base 32% of the time.

 

I know which option I'd pick, assuming these were the ONLY two options up for consideration. And we all know they aren't, which makes this whole (assumed) scenario even more maddening.

[abuck1220]

i heard the first part of that interview, but turned it off when i could tell they were about to have a lengthy (and pointless) conversation about instant replay. sounds like hendry voted against it, as he claimed he was more old school (shocking, i know).

[jersey cubs fan]

What worries me is that you may be right and he has him slotted for RF. Think about what he said earlier...He was happy with Theriot and a lot of people were quite unhappy with this statement. He's up to something and it may include Theriot being dealt instead. Theriot has some things that people like and this might actually be Hendry selling him at his highest value.

 

Plus, Hendry has been pretty consistent in his foolish moves. He usually has a little theme he goes with and imo it'll be speed this off season.

 

And that makes you think he might trade Theriot? Theriot is one of the few speed guys on the team now.

[SouthSideRyan]

Mark DeRosa's gonna be our starting RF. This is awesome.

 

The bench is gonna be Blanco, Ward, and 4 middle IFs.

[javy knows my name]

No matter how much you distrust Hendry he has to be building up to make a major trade, he can't be this ignorant.

Yes he can.

 

What bigger trade can the Cubs make without making them worse? If they trade Lee, Aramis, Z, or Hill at best they can hope to get the same level of potential production. None of the prospects are all that attractive, except for Pie (who doesn't love Pie?). They don't have a whole lot to bargin with. Who are they going to get with DeRosa + prospects? Marmol + prospects? DeRosaa + Marmol + prospects? Why does Fukudome need a caddy?

 

Exactly. Hendry very well could prove us all wrong with some stunning deal, but what's the likelihood? If you do end up giving up DeRosa in a bigger deal, you've downgraded 2b significantly in doing so. What exactly makes DeRosa such a hot commodity to other teams? He's not exactly cheap for the production he provides. He's not head and shoulders better than other 2b's that could potentially be available.

 

He'd do alright manning third base in Florida for a year or two.

 

He would be a step up from Aaron Boone. But, the packages that LA will be offering (especially now that ARod is off the market) surely could beat what the Cubs can offer.

 

I'd be shocked if the Cubs got Miggy over the Angels or Dodgers due to their farms. I'm hoping that the Fish are in love with a couple of Cub prospects, mainly Pie since they might need a young CF.

What about Reggie Abercrombie?

[jersey cubs fan]

Mark DeRosa's gonna be our starting RF. This is awesome.

 

He really could be, which is just frightening.

[Post Count Padder]

Mark DeRosa's gonna be our starting RF. This is awesome.

 

The bench is gonna be Blanco, Ward, and 4 middle IFs.

Hooray :roll:

[MSG T]

i heard the first part of that interview, but turned it off when i could tell they were about to have a lengthy (and pointless) conversation about instant replay. sounds like hendry voted against it, as he claimed he was more old school (shocking, i know).

 

I picked up a few minutes right at the tail end of that, or at least they mentioned it during the segment I heard. At the end of what I heard, they started talking about what changes a new owner might bring, the last thing I heard Jim say was he hoped the new owner doesn't have a son that wants to be GM. Does Cuban have a son?

 

We couldn't be that lucky Jim.

[javy knows my name]

I should be fired

Yes Jim, we know

[Post Count Padder]

I should be fired

Yes Jim, we know

:lol:

[BigbadB]

What about Reggie Abercrombie?

 

I deleted a lengthy post I was going to submit that basically brought him up. Florida isn't in dire straits regarding CF. They could give Cody Ross a longer look and Reggie Abercrombie appeared to turn things around in AAA last year.

 

Florida shouldn't necessarily be requiring a CF in a trade for Cabrera. They should be making the deal that nets them the best talent, period.

[CubinNY]

The gist of what he said was they are happy with their current SS, though an upgrade might be possible, but that they really need to upgrade RF and they desperately need some LH hitting, particularly a power bat.

 

What is the fetish with LH hitting? The Cubs desperately need players who can get on base. They desperately need a difference maker. It does not particularly matter what side of the plate he hits from.

 

Someone please explain to me the need for a lefthanded power bat. Is it baseball conventional wisdom? Is it a ture need? I'm I going crazy?

[YearofDaCubs]

Mark DeRosa's gonna be our starting RF. This is awesome.

 

The bench is gonna be Blanco, Ward, and 4 middle IFs.

Oh God that would be terrible.