The Chicago Bulls 2007 Offseason Thread

[Andy]

For the person asking about the Pau deal, all rumors said that Jerry West's asking price started at Deng and Gordon. And Luol by himself put up comparable statistics to Gasol last year. That deal would've been an absolute rip off and a stupid idea.

[Soul]

If you can keep Deng and Hinrich, I'd make the trade yesterday. (Gordon, TT, #9, Noc?) Don't know if the Lakers would do it.

I'd rather keep Thomas than Hinrich.

 

 

Me too.

 

I think that if there's a time to move Hinrich, its now. I hate to say it, but he's overrated. A great role player, but he is no star. I'd also move Deng, if that's what it takes. Deng has the most trade value on the team, and he's a rock solid player. That said, I'd give him up yesterday if that's what it took to get Kobe Bryant.

 

Kobe is the best player in the NBA, period. If the Bulls had some team left- ie Wallace, TT or Nocioni, BG or Hinrich, they'd be clear contenders. There are few people in the league that can create their own shot and score, even when everyone on the floor knows they are going to get the ball. You can barely count them on 1 hand, and Kobe is the best there is right now.

 

And anyone who thinks the deal can possibly be done by keeping Deng + Gordon or Hinrich is crazy. At least I'll be super impressed if Paxson manages to pull that one off.

 

Wouldn't need to do that. It's really about keeping Deng to pair with Kobe. From that point you've got 2 stars, the rest can be considered role players and picked up in the draft or with normal transactions -- whatever is needed.

 

Kobe + Deng + role players is plenty enough to win the East. Kobe + role players? Iffy.

[Banedon]

A lot of the talking heads now are saying they don't think Kobe to the Bulls will happen because there isn't enough star power in the players that the Bulls would have to offer.

[Derwood]

A lot of the talking heads now are saying they don't think Kobe to the Bulls will happen because there isn't enough star power in the players that the Bulls would have to offer.

 

I understand that LA has a "star power" image to uphold, but can they really market a disgruntled Kobe very well?

[jersey cubs fan]

A lot of the talking heads now are saying they don't think Kobe to the Bulls will happen because there isn't enough star power in the players that the Bulls would have to offer.

 

I understand that LA has a "star power" image to uphold, but can they really market a disgruntled Kobe very well?

 

They were able to market accused rapist Kobe, and Shaq hating Kobe, and Shaq pushing out Kobe, and the selfish bastard Kobe, I'm sure they can figure out how to market disgruntled Kobe.

[rawaction]

A lot of the talking heads now are saying they don't think Kobe to the Bulls will happen because there isn't enough star power in the players that the Bulls would have to offer.

 

I understand that LA has a "star power" image to uphold, but can they really market a disgruntled Kobe very well?

 

That's why a 3-team deal may have to happen. There are plenty big names available (Jermaine O'Neal, Garnett, Marion, etc.). If the Lakers can get one of those guys plus Gordon, and some young talent they would probably be a better team.

[Outshined_One]

A lot of the talking heads now are saying they don't think Kobe to the Bulls will happen because there isn't enough star power in the players that the Bulls would have to offer.

 

Have these talking heads SEEN some of the deals which were used to acquire stars of Kobe's level? The most recent one was the Shaq deal and we all saw how that turned out!

 

Kobe's got the Lakers over a barrel and the Bulls don't even need to trade for him. If the Lakers want a deal like Deng, Gordon, Tyrus Thomas, PJ Brown S&T, and the #9 for Kobe, the Bulls could tell them to buzz off without losing anything in the process.

[Banedon]

A lot of the talking heads now are saying they don't think Kobe to the Bulls will happen because there isn't enough star power in the players that the Bulls would have to offer.

 

Have these talking heads SEEN some of the deals which were used to acquire stars of Kobe's level? The most recent one was the Shaq deal and we all saw how that turned out!

 

Kobe's got the Lakers over a barrel and the Bulls don't even need to trade for him. If the Lakers want a deal like Deng, Gordon, Tyrus Thomas, PJ Brown S&T, and the #9 for Kobe, the Bulls could tell them to buzz off without losing anything in the process.

 

Actually the talking heads are using the Shaq deal as the reason why the Lakers won't do the same thing with Kobe. They think the Lakers would have to get star power in the trade because they failed to do that in the Shaq deal.

[Soul]

A lot of the talking heads now are saying they don't think Kobe to the Bulls will happen because there isn't enough star power in the players that the Bulls would have to offer.

 

Have these talking heads SEEN some of the deals which were used to acquire stars of Kobe's level? The most recent one was the Shaq deal and we all saw how that turned out!

 

Kobe's got the Lakers over a barrel and the Bulls don't even need to trade for him. If the Lakers want a deal like Deng, Gordon, Tyrus Thomas, PJ Brown S&T, and the #9 for Kobe, the Bulls could tell them to buzz off without losing anything in the process.

 

Actually the talking heads are using the Shaq deal as the reason why the Lakers won't do the same thing with Kobe. They think the Lakers would have to get star power in the trade because they failed to do that in the Shaq deal.

 

A star swap then? I fail to see how that helps anyone, really. You get Kobe but lose your existing star. Same for the Lakers. Sounds like a wash, not worth doing for either side.

[Guest]

A lot of the talking heads now are saying they don't think Kobe to the Bulls will happen because there isn't enough star power in the players that the Bulls would have to offer.

 

Have these talking heads SEEN some of the deals which were used to acquire stars of Kobe's level? The most recent one was the Shaq deal and we all saw how that turned out!

 

Kobe's got the Lakers over a barrel and the Bulls don't even need to trade for him. If the Lakers want a deal like Deng, Gordon, Tyrus Thomas, PJ Brown S&T, and the #9 for Kobe, the Bulls could tell them to buzz off without losing anything in the process.

 

Actually the talking heads are using the Shaq deal as the reason why the Lakers won't do the same thing with Kobe. They think the Lakers would have to get star power in the trade because they failed to do that in the Shaq deal.

 

A star swap then? I fail to see how that helps anyone, really. You get Kobe but lose your existing star. Same for the Lakers. Sounds like a wash, not worth doing for either side.

 

And not worth it for Kobe, with his no-trade clause.

[1908]

Version 4.0 of Ford's mock draft is up. His top 10:

 

Oden

Durant

Horford

Conley

Brewer

B. Wright

J. Green

Noah

Yi

Hawes

 

I'm leery of Yi. I hope the Bulls don't take him over Hawes if both end up being available at 9.

[Soriano12]

Yi sucks.

[David]

Yi sucks.

 

Your ideas are intriguing and well-reasoned. Do you have a pamphlet?

[Soriano12]

Yi sucks.

 

Your ideas are intriguing and well-reasoned. Do you have a pamphlet?

 

Yes, in fact I do.

[RynoRules]

Version 4.0 of Ford's mock draft is up. His top 10:

 

Oden

Durant

Horford

Conley

Brewer

B. Wright

J. Green

Noah

Yi

Hawes

 

I'm leery of Yi. I hope the Bulls don't take him over Hawes if both end up being available at 9.

 

Agreed. If Brewer some how falls to them Pax had better be on the phone ready to trade Gordon or Deng for a big man or a Kobe.

[Outshined_One]

Would anyone be opposed to Brandan Wright if he fell to 9?

 

It sounds like he needs some seasoning and strengthening, but he has the highest ceiling in this draft behind Durant and Oden.

[1908]

If Brewer some how falls to them Pax had better be on the phone ready to trade Gordon or Deng for a big man or a Kobe.

Bobcats need size in the backcourt. I suspect he's taken at 8 if he gets past Boston at 5.

 

Would anyone be opposed to Brandan Wright if he fell to 9?

Nope, but it seems unlikely he'd get past Milwaukee at 6.

[pitchcs]

Version 4.0 of Ford's mock draft is up. His top 10:

 

Oden

Durant

Horford

Conley

Brewer

B. Wright

J. Green

Noah

Yi

Hawes

 

I'm leery of Yi. I hope the Bulls don't take him over Hawes if both end up being available at 9.

 

Agreed. If Brewer some how falls to them Pax had better be on the phone ready to trade Gordon or Deng for a big man or a Kobe.

 

Would LOVE Brewer.

[David]

This is from an "insider" from the RealGM boards, so take it with a grain of salt, I guess...but the guy has a semi-decent reputation as far as this kind of info. Either way, interesting.

 

Here's the post...

 

Word is there is a big trade brewing between Minn, LA, Chicago and another team.

 

LA Lakers get Garnett and Duhon

 

Minn gets 9th, Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas and an unnamed player from fourth team

 

Chicago gets Kobe Bryant

 

Fourth team gets Kwame Brown and 19th pick

 

 

I don't know any other details or whether a resigned noc will be in or anything like that.

 

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=674590&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=960

 

I don't really understand where the 4th team comes in, and what they'd be giving up...but it seems like the three named parties would make out pretty well. Not sure how it works with the cap, either.

 

Just figured I'd pass along for discussion.

 

I'd give that up for Kobe. In an ideal world, I'd love to keep TT around because that would be a really exciting team to watch, but I think that deal looks decently fair for all involved.

[Guest]

This is from an "insider" from the RealGM boards, so take it with a grain of salt, I guess...but the guy has a semi-decent reputation as far as this kind of info. Either way, interesting.

 

Here's the post...

 

Word is there is a big trade brewing between Minn, LA, Chicago and another team.

 

LA Lakers get Garnett and Duhon

 

Minn gets 9th, Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas and an unnamed player from fourth team

 

Chicago gets Kobe Bryant

 

Fourth team gets Kwame Brown and 19th pick

 

 

I don't know any other details or whether a resigned noc will be in or anything like that.

 

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=674590&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=960

 

I don't really understand where the 4th team comes in, and what they'd be giving up...but it seems like the three named parties would make out pretty well. Not sure how it works with the cap, either.

 

Just figured I'd pass along for discussion.

 

I'd give that up for Kobe. In an ideal world, I'd love to keep TT around because that would be a really exciting team to watch, but I think that deal looks decently fair for all involved.

 

Gordon, TT and Duhon for Kobe? Wow.

[USSoccer]

This is from an "insider" from the RealGM boards, so take it with a grain of salt, I guess...but the guy has a semi-decent reputation as far as this kind of info. Either way, interesting.

 

Here's the post...

 

Word is there is a big trade brewing between Minn, LA, Chicago and another team.

 

LA Lakers get Garnett and Duhon

 

Minn gets 9th, Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas and an unnamed player from fourth team

 

Chicago gets Kobe Bryant

 

Fourth team gets Kwame Brown and 19th pick

 

 

I don't know any other details or whether a resigned noc will be in or anything like that.

 

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=674590&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=960

 

I don't really understand where the 4th team comes in, and what they'd be giving up...but it seems like the three named parties would make out pretty well. Not sure how it works with the cap, either.

 

Just figured I'd pass along for discussion.

 

I'd give that up for Kobe. In an ideal world, I'd love to keep TT around because that would be a really exciting team to watch, but I think that deal looks decently fair for all involved.

 

-I'm not sure how that works under the cap.

-Why would anyone want Duhon when they have Farmair?

-That 4th team is getting hosed.

-It seems like we make out like bandits, while LA kind of makes a lateral move. It seems like they'd want more than just Garnett and Duhon. They're going to need a pick, too, or another really good player, because that move doesn't really make them better.

[David]

This is from an "insider" from the RealGM boards, so take it with a grain of salt, I guess...but the guy has a semi-decent reputation as far as this kind of info. Either way, interesting.

 

Here's the post...

 

Word is there is a big trade brewing between Minn, LA, Chicago and another team.

 

LA Lakers get Garnett and Duhon

 

Minn gets 9th, Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas and an unnamed player from fourth team

 

Chicago gets Kobe Bryant

 

Fourth team gets Kwame Brown and 19th pick

 

 

I don't know any other details or whether a resigned noc will be in or anything like that.

 

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=674590&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=960

 

I don't really understand where the 4th team comes in, and what they'd be giving up...but it seems like the three named parties would make out pretty well. Not sure how it works with the cap, either.

 

Just figured I'd pass along for discussion.

 

I'd give that up for Kobe. In an ideal world, I'd love to keep TT around because that would be a really exciting team to watch, but I think that deal looks decently fair for all involved.

 

Gordon, TT and Duhon for Kobe? Wow.

 

and the #9

[David]

-I'm not sure how that works under the cap.

-Why would anyone want Duhon when they have Farmair?

-That 4th team is getting hosed.

-It seems like we make out like bandits, while LA kind of makes a lateral move. It seems like they'd want more than just Garnett and Duhon. They're going to need a pick, too, or another really good player, because that move doesn't really make them better.

 

4th team might be giving up* someone almost as bad as Kwame?

 

For LA, it isn't really about improving, right? Kobe wants out. It's not like they want to trade him. A lateral move in which they still have a superstar would be a good thing, because they most likely aren't going to get equal value for Kobe in any one on one deals.

 

EDITED to make sense

Edited June 19, 2007 by David

[Guest]

This is from an "insider" from the RealGM boards, so take it with a grain of salt, I guess...but the guy has a semi-decent reputation as far as this kind of info. Either way, interesting.

 

Here's the post...

 

Word is there is a big trade brewing between Minn, LA, Chicago and another team.

 

LA Lakers get Garnett and Duhon

 

Minn gets 9th, Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas and an unnamed player from fourth team

 

Chicago gets Kobe Bryant

 

Fourth team gets Kwame Brown and 19th pick

 

 

I don't know any other details or whether a resigned noc will be in or anything like that.

 

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=674590&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=960

 

I don't really understand where the 4th team comes in, and what they'd be giving up...but it seems like the three named parties would make out pretty well. Not sure how it works with the cap, either.

 

Just figured I'd pass along for discussion.

 

I'd give that up for Kobe. In an ideal world, I'd love to keep TT around because that would be a really exciting team to watch, but I think that deal looks decently fair for all involved.

 

Gordon, TT and Duhon for Kobe? Wow.

 

and the #9

 

Heh, missed that. Ok.

 

USS, the Lakers would want depth behind Farmar. Smush is gone and Farmar only started the last 2 regular season games last season.

[USSoccer]

-I'm not sure how that works under the cap.

-Why would anyone want Duhon when they have Farmair?

-That 4th team is getting hosed.

-It seems like we make out like bandits, while LA kind of makes a lateral move. It seems like they'd want more than just Garnett and Duhon. They're going to need a pick, too, or another really good player, because that move doesn't really make them better.

 

4th team might be getting someone almost as bad as Kwame?

 

For LA, it isn't really about improving, right? Kobe wants out. It's not like they want to trade him. A lateral move in which they still have a superstar would be a good thing, because they most likely aren't going to get equal value for Kobe in any one on one deals.

 

Deals can't be made until next week, right?