The Chicago Bulls 2007 Offseason Thread

[Derwood]

There should be only one "untouchable", Loul Deng.

 

no one should be untouchable period. Deng is really good and looks to keep getting better, but he isn't LeBron or Kobe. He's not head and shoulders above everyone else.

[USSoccer]

If the Bulls are really going to be taking a guard with their first pick, you gotta believe that there is a deal in the works to trade one of our guards for a low post player.

 

They should trade Heinrich, who probably has a better reputation and perceived value than actual value.

 

I saw one report a few days ago that said that the Bulls are active in the trading mark, but Hinrich is their only untouchable. I'll try to track that one down for you.

 

Hinrich is probably their best all around player, and it would be a major mistake to trade him. He's one of the best perimiter defenders in the league. He's a good point guard. He can score. He's improved all of his numbers this year, and he's comparable to Chauncey Billups in every category. Keeping Gordon over Hinrich makes your team much, much worse defensively. Additionally, if you use Gordon to aquire pst scoring, you're not going to miss Gordon's scoring as much.

 

Gordon's the guard to trade, not Kirk.

 

But they can get more for Kirk, right? The point is they have no chance of winning a title until they get a superstar, and they won't get a superstar trading spare parts. And Kirk isn't a superstar.

 

I think they can get more for Gordon. He's a scorer, and any team dealing away a good low post player is going to want scoring in return. NBA GM's are idiots, and they're more likely to be wowed by Gordon's offensive numbers.

 

Trading Kirk means they have no good defensive guards, and probably puts them farther from a championship that closer.

[Brian]

Am I the only one that finds it hilarious that the Los Angeles times is using a MySpace bulletin as a source?

[Banedon]

Am I the only one that finds it hilarious that the Los Angeles times is using a MySpace bulletin as a source?

 

That's how times change...I mean they were using Kobe's blog as well during the whole "trade me/don't trade me/no really, trade me/I want to retire a Laker" thingy...

[Chocolate Milk]

Trading Kirk means they have no good defensive guards, and probably puts them farther from a championship that closer.

 

I thought Thabo was good defensively?

[USSoccer]

Trading Kirk means they have no good defensive guards, and probably puts them farther from a championship that closer.

 

I thought Thabo was good defensively?

 

He put together 2 really good halves of defense all year. He shut down a 75% Dwayne Wade and played well against Kobe. Kirk does it every game, and still manages to put up points and run the offense well. Also, Thabo is way too raw and unpolished offensively. I like Thabo long term, but he's not Bruce Bowen or anything.

 

Hinrich gets knocked way too much; it's not his fault he was taken in the best draft of the last 10 years. He's a really, really good player. You can win a title with Kirk.

 

Gordon is the one who is more valuable as a trading chip than Hinrich. Yes, he's a fantastic scorer and shooter, but he's a nonfactor witht he ball in his hands driving, isn't a really good point guard and is awful defensively. He's the perfect trading chip because you only have to replace one aspect of his game, which is his scoring.

[1908]

But they can get more for Kirk, right? The point is they have no chance of winning a title until they get a superstar, and they won't get a superstar trading spare parts. And Kirk isn't a superstar.

Which superstar are the Bulls trading for?

[Derwood]

when is the draft again?

[jersey cubs fan]

But they can get more for Kirk, right? The point is they have no chance of winning a title until they get a superstar, and they won't get a superstar trading spare parts. And Kirk isn't a superstar.

Which superstar are the Bulls trading for?

 

I have no idea. They need one though, and it's doubtful they have any.

 

 

 

when is the draft again?

 

June 28, 2007.

[Guest]

I'd think Ben Gordon would be more tradeable. Hinrich is certainly more valuable to the Bulls and I'd much prefer keeping him. Unless we're talking about Nick Young, I'd rather take Hinrich and Gordon over any guard in the current draft.

[Soul]

But they can get more for Kirk, right? The point is they have no chance of winning a title until they get a superstar, and they won't get a superstar trading spare parts. And Kirk isn't a superstar.

Which superstar are the Bulls trading for?

 

I have no idea. They need one though, and it's doubtful they have any.

 

 

 

when is the draft again?

 

June 28, 2007.

 

The cold, sobering fact is, in order to get a real superstar in his prime it would cost the farm. Think Gordon, Deng, probably Tyrus + draft pick. People keep throwing out scenarios that only includes Deng OR Gordon. I'll believe that when I see it.

 

I think the bidding for a real superstar starts at Deng & Gordon, and goes up from there.

 

That leaves the only real question: if you bring in a Kobe, or a Garnett, does it equal a championship without your two former best players before bringing him in? If it doesn't, then I say just stand pat and hope Deng becomes a near-superstar, try to develop TT.

[1908]

The cold, sobering fact is, in order to get a real superstar in his prime it would cost the farm. Think Gordon, Deng, probably Tyrus + draft pick. People keep throwing out scenarios that only includes Deng OR Gordon. I'll believe that when I see it.

 

I think the bidding for a real superstar starts at Deng & Gordon, and goes up from there.

 

That leaves the only real question: if you bring in a Kobe, or a Garnett, does it equal a championship without your two former best players before bringing him in? If it doesn't, then I say just stand pat and hope Deng becomes a near-superstar, try to develop TT.

Right on.

[Alfonso Soriano]

Who knows if this is true but apparently there is a tape of Kobe Bryant bashing the Lakers and he apparently says buy your Bulls jerseys.

 

This website is suppose to post the video next week:

http://www.thekobevideo.com

 

Here is a teaser:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fiNgF-QI8Qw

[Omar]

If true, in his mind, he wants to follow in the footsteps of Michael Jordan.

[Brian]

I sure hope that Pax is smart enough not to gut the team for Kobe. The only way I'd want him is if we keep Deng, Thomas and one of Hinrich or Gordon.

 

 

 

(not bringing any validity to this supposed video, just the idea in general)

[soccer10k]

There's no way this happens. Not a chance.

[seanimal]

I sure hope that Pax is smart enough not to gut the team for Kobe. The only way I'd want him is if we keep Deng, Thomas and one of Hinrich or Gordon.

[ChiCubsFan]

I sure hope that Pax is smart enough not to gut the team for Kobe. The only way I'd want him is if we keep Deng, Thomas and one of Hinrich or Gordon.

 

I wouldn't mind losing TT if need be. TT, Gordon, 9th pick, Duhon? I don't know if that gets it done. I guess it matters how bad Kobe really wants out. A lot of people think it will cost Gordon and Deng. If that's the case, I'd pass.

[Magnetic Curses]

um, i'd trade gordon and deng for kobe in less than one second. the 9th pick, too.

 

noc moves into the starting rotation.

 

hinrich

kobe

noc

TT

wallace

 

that's a team that wins the championship NEXT year!

[illiniguy]

um, i'd trade gordon and deng for kobe in less than one second. the 9th pick, too.

 

noc moves into the starting rotation.

 

hinrich

kobe

noc

TT

wallace

 

that's a team that wins the championship NEXT year!

Yeah I hate Kobe, but he is worth both of those guys.

[jjgman21]

um, i'd trade gordon and deng for kobe in less than one second. the 9th pick, too.

 

noc moves into the starting rotation.

 

hinrich

kobe

noc

TT

wallace

 

that's a team that wins the championship NEXT year!

 

both Kobe and Deng entered the league at a similarly young age. a pretty solid argument could be made that Deng significantly outperformed Kobe in the first three years of their careers.

 

I'm not saying that Deng would outperform Kobe, but he will in three years, and the combination of gordon and deng would probably be more valuable than Kobe. that's a nice starting lineup, but with Noc injury concerns and no sixth man to speak of, I think that team is actually worse than this years team.

[TB_11]

I'm not a huge fan of Kobe personally, but if Paxson has the opportunity to part with the 9th pick and only 2 of the key pieces, he should absolutely do this deal. I'm guessing any deal between the Lakers and Bulls would first hinge on whether the Lakers get Jermaine O'Neal or a similar big man to pair with Kobe.

[tfarks]

I'm leaning towards the Lakers trading with the Pacers to get O'Neal. Those talks are stalling because Buss doesn't want to give up Odom and Bynum but one side is going to budge, especially considering Buss really doesn't want Kobe to leave.

[XZero771679666304]

Even if the Bulls were to get Kobe, I think they'll still want to obtain a PG, since Hinrich seems to have fallen out of favor.

 

I could see Paxson trading Gordon, Hinrich and another player for Kobe, then drafting Conley Jr. or Law with the 9th pick.

[Guest]

I don't see how Hinrich has fallen out of favor.