The Chicago Bulls 2007 Offseason Thread

[Soriano12]

i can't see it happening, but just for fun:

 

PG: Hinrich

SG: Bryant

SF: Nocioni/Rookie

PF: Thomas

C: Bynum

 

i'd buy that for a dollar!

 

Soriano12 doesn't read other people's posts methinks

 

You didn't have Julian Wright in the equation 8-)

[Derwood]

i can't see it happening, but just for fun:

 

PG: Hinrich

SG: Bryant

SF: Nocioni/Rookie

PF: Thomas

C: Bynum

 

i'd buy that for a dollar!

 

Soriano12 doesn't read other people's posts methinks

 

You didn't have Julian Wright in the equation 8-)

[Guest]

Mike and Mike had Tim Legler on this morning and they were talking about this as a possible trade (they admittedly came up with this on their own, so it's not even really a legitimate rumor, just some radio speculation).

 

Bulls get: Kobe Bryant, Andrew Bynum

 

Lakers get: Ben Wallace (for salary reasons), Ben Gordon, Luol Deng

 

I'd rather have Wallace, Gordon and Deng.

 

Agreed...and I'm not the biggest BG fan around.

[Brian]

I'd rather hold on to Deng at almost all costs.

[Banedon]

Mike and Mike had Tim Legler on this morning and they were talking about this as a possible trade (they admittedly came up with this on their own, so it's not even really a legitimate rumor, just some radio speculation).

 

Bulls get: Kobe Bryant, Andrew Bynum

 

Lakers get: Ben Wallace (for salary reasons), Ben Gordon, Luol Deng

 

I'd rather have Wallace, Gordon and Deng.

 

Agreed...and I'm not the biggest BG fan around.

 

I wonder if you guys feel this way just because you don't like Kobe, or because you really think that Gordon and Deng are that good? I mean, I love both the guys, don't get me wrong, but I think if you have the change to get both Kobe and Bynum, I think that's a deal you have to do.

[1908]

If the Bulls could manage to keep Hinrich, Deng and Tryus and acquire Kobe, I'd be all for it. Hollinger mentioned Gordon, Nocioni, number 9 pick in his chat today as the bare minimum. I'd make that deal today, but I think the price would be a lot higher than that.

[1908]

Mike and Mike had Tim Legler on this morning and they were talking about this as a possible trade (they admittedly came up with this on their own, so it's not even really a legitimate rumor, just some radio speculation).

 

Bulls get: Kobe Bryant, Andrew Bynum

 

Lakers get: Ben Wallace (for salary reasons), Ben Gordon, Luol Deng

 

I'd rather have Wallace, Gordon and Deng.

 

Agreed...and I'm not the biggest BG fan around.

I wonder if you guys feel this way just because you don't like Kobe, or because you really think that Gordon and Deng are that good? I mean, I love both the guys, don't get me wrong, but I think if you have the change to get both Kobe and Bynum, I think that's a deal you have to do.

The jury's still out on Bynum a lot more than it is on Gordon and Deng. I'd be hesitant to give up any two out of Hinrich, Gordon, Deng and Tryus for Kobe, and I can't see the Lakers accepting less than that.

[Soriano12]

If the Bulls could manage to keep Hinrich, Deng and Tryus and acquire Kobe, I'd be all for it. Hollinger mentioned Gordon, Nocioni, number 9 pick in his chat today as the bare minimum. I'd make that deal today, but I think the price would be a lot higher than that.

 

How would Gordon, Nocioni and a pick work financially, unless they signed both to massive contracts then traded them.

 

Any deal will have to include Deng as well. Look, I think Deng is a great player and future star...but SF is one of the more easier positions to fill in the NBA IMO. KB would solve our problems with size in the backcourt, and he can score in the post.

[1908]

If the Bulls could manage to keep Hinrich, Deng and Tryus and acquire Kobe, I'd be all for it. Hollinger mentioned Gordon, Nocioni, number 9 pick in his chat today as the bare minimum. I'd make that deal today, but I think the price would be a lot higher than that.

How would Gordon, Nocioni and a pick work financially, unless they signed both to massive contracts then traded them.

Not so massive contracts. Gordon at $10M a year, Noc at $7M per and the number 9 pick's salary would match up great.

[Flames24Rulz]

If the Bulls could manage to keep Hinrich, Deng and Tryus and acquire Kobe, I'd be all for it. Hollinger mentioned Gordon, Nocioni, number 9 pick in his chat today as the bare minimum. I'd make that deal today, but I think the price would be a lot higher than that.

 

Now that Kobe has become public with it, I don't think the price will be as heavy as it would be. It's going to be a lot like the Iverson and Shaq deals where it seems like the team that is trading the superstar is going to get ripped off.

 

I'm a huge BG fan, but if we were to land Kobe, there's no question I'd do the deal. If we could keep Kirk, Deng, and Tyrus and still be able to land Kobe and Bynum, I believe we'd be the best team in the East.

[Soriano12]

This thing is fun

 

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trademachine

8-)

[Guest]

Mike and Mike had Tim Legler on this morning and they were talking about this as a possible trade (they admittedly came up with this on their own, so it's not even really a legitimate rumor, just some radio speculation).

 

Bulls get: Kobe Bryant, Andrew Bynum

 

Lakers get: Ben Wallace (for salary reasons), Ben Gordon, Luol Deng

 

I'd rather have Wallace, Gordon and Deng.

 

Agreed...and I'm not the biggest BG fan around.

 

I wonder if you guys feel this way just because you don't like Kobe, or because you really think that Gordon and Deng are that good? I mean, I love both the guys, don't get me wrong, but I think if you have the change to get both Kobe and Bynum, I think that's a deal you have to do.

 

I got no problem with trading Ben Gordon (I wanted Brandon Roy before last year's draft and was more than willing to part with BG - I'm not a fan of two short guards and Hinrich is more valuable to this team). When it comes to Deng, I'm much, much more hesitant (same with Hinrich). Bynum has a lot of potential but I don't think he's a deal-maker in any sense of it.

 

While I don't like Kobe, he's the best non-big man in the game and he'd really solve a lot of the Bulls' height problems in the backcourt. My dislike for him doesn't matter into this equation.

[Soriano12]

I think the trade that makes the most sense is:

 

Phoenix gets:

 

Kobe

 

 

LA gets:

 

Amare

Raja Bell

Marcus Banks(or another throw in)

 

Phoenix has suppsedly been shopping Amare, and a backcourt of Kobe & Nash would be explosive.

 

LA gets a young star in Amare, and a solid 2 Guard in Raja.

[Banedon]

I think the trade that makes the most sense is:

 

Phoenix gets:

 

Kobe

 

 

LA gets:

 

Amare

Raja Bell

Marcus Banks(or another throw in)

 

Phoenix has suppsedly been shopping Amare, and a backcourt of Kobe & Nash would be explosive.

 

LA gets a young star in Amare, and a solid 2 Guard in Raja.

 

I'm willing to bet that LA won't trade Kobe to another West team.

[seanimal]

Mike and Mike had Tim Legler on this morning and they were talking about this as a possible trade (they admittedly came up with this on their own, so it's not even really a legitimate rumor, just some radio speculation).

 

Bulls get: Kobe Bryant, Andrew Bynum

 

Lakers get: Ben Wallace (for salary reasons), Ben Gordon, Luol Deng

 

I'd rather have Wallace, Gordon and Deng.

 

Agreed...and I'm not the biggest BG fan around.

 

I wonder if you guys feel this way just because you don't like Kobe, or because you really think that Gordon and Deng are that good? I mean, I love both the guys, don't get me wrong, but I think if you have the change to get both Kobe and Bynum, I think that's a deal you have to do.

 

I got no problem with trading Ben Gordon (I wanted Brandon Roy before last year's draft and was more than willing to part with BG - I'm not a fan of two short guards and Hinrich is more valuable to this team). When it comes to Deng, I'm much, much more hesitant (same with Hinrich). Bynum has a lot of potential but I don't think he's a deal-maker in any sense of it.

 

While I don't like Kobe, he's the best non-big man in the game and he'd really solve a lot of the Bulls' height problems in the backcourt. My dislike for him doesn't matter into this equation.

 

I agree pretty much 100%. I'm not much of a Kobe fan, but what he brings on the basketball court seems to be the difference maker in my mind as to what would make the Bulls playoff also-rans and having a genuine shot at the championship.

[RynoRules]

If the Bulls could manage to keep Hinrich, Deng and Tryus and acquire Kobe, I'd be all for it. Hollinger mentioned Gordon, Nocioni, number 9 pick in his chat today as the bare minimum. I'd make that deal today, but I think the price would be a lot higher than that.

How would Gordon, Nocioni and a pick work financially, unless they signed both to massive contracts then traded them.

Not so massive contracts. Gordon at $10M a year, Noc at $7M per and the number 9 pick's salary would match up great.

 

I'd do that deal in a millisecond, and throw in a future no. 1 to boot.

 

If the Lakers do agree to that and pick Hawes at No. 9, they have:

 

Gordon

Odom

Noc

Bynum

Hawes

Walton

Whoever they pick with their own no. 1

 

Not a terrible start, especially of they use their own no. 1 to get a PG (Javaris Crittenton), something they desperately need.

Edited May 30, 2007 by RynoRules

[Soriano12]

I think the trade that makes the most sense is:

 

Phoenix gets:

 

Kobe

 

 

LA gets:

 

Amare

Raja Bell

Marcus Banks(or another throw in)

 

Phoenix has suppsedly been shopping Amare, and a backcourt of Kobe & Nash would be explosive.

 

LA gets a young star in Amare, and a solid 2 Guard in Raja.

 

I'm willing to bet that LA won't trade Kobe to another West team.

 

meh, they need to get past the whole "same conference" stigma. It is a good deal for them. Amare is one of the best young big men in the game.

 

Will they suck in 07, no doubt. But that is part of the plan. They need to get in the lottery so they can have a shot at Derrick Rose.

 

How to fix the Lakers 101.

[chuckywang]

Losing Deng would hurt, no doubt..but Wallace, Gorden, and Deng for Kobe and Bynum...I would have to do that deal. I expect Julian Wright to be available @ 9. We could draft him to replace Deng(not that I think Wright will be as good as Deng), but

 

PG Hinrich

SG Kobe

C Bynum

SF Noc/Wright

PF Tyrus

 

 

That is looking pretty good..

 

Do the salaries match up?

[1908]

I think the trade that makes the most sense is:

 

Phoenix gets:

 

Kobe

 

 

LA gets:

 

Amare

Raja Bell

Marcus Banks(or another throw in)

 

Phoenix has suppsedly been shopping Amare, and a backcourt of Kobe & Nash would be explosive.

 

LA gets a young star in Amare, and a solid 2 Guard in Raja.

Amare is very difficult to deal this offseason.

Arizona Republic[/url]"]However, even if the Suns decided it is a deal worth making and the Lakers were willing to listen, Stoudemire is very difficult to include in any transaction because of the contract extension he signed.

 

The NBA's fun-spoiling collective-bargaining agreement designates him as a "base-year-compensation" player.

 

Essentially, it means that his salary-cap number is much lower than his salary.

 

So they can't trade him for his full value without having room beneath the cap to absorb the difference. The Suns are not only over the cap, they're way over it and into luxury-tax country.

[Soriano12]

I think the trade that makes the most sense is:

 

Phoenix gets:

 

Kobe

 

 

LA gets:

 

Amare

Raja Bell

Marcus Banks(or another throw in)

 

Phoenix has suppsedly been shopping Amare, and a backcourt of Kobe & Nash would be explosive.

 

LA gets a young star in Amare, and a solid 2 Guard in Raja.

Amare is very difficult to deal this offseason.

Arizona Republic[/url]"]However, even if the Suns decided it is a deal worth making and the Lakers were willing to listen, Stoudemire is very difficult to include in any transaction because of the contract extension he signed.

 

The NBA's fun-spoiling collective-bargaining agreement designates him as a "base-year-compensation" player.

 

Essentially, it means that his salary-cap number is much lower than his salary.

 

So they can't trade him for his full value without having room beneath the cap to absorb the difference. The Suns are not only over the cap, they're way over it and into luxury-tax country.

 

The Trade-Machine said that trade was good to go :lol:

[Flames24Rulz]

I think the trade that makes the most sense is:

 

Phoenix gets:

 

Kobe

 

 

LA gets:

 

Amare

Raja Bell

Marcus Banks(or another throw in)

 

Phoenix has suppsedly been shopping Amare, and a backcourt of Kobe & Nash would be explosive.

 

LA gets a young star in Amare, and a solid 2 Guard in Raja.

 

That trade won't happen in a million years. The Lakers would be the dumbest team in the NBA if they traded him to another Western Conference team.

[1908]

I'd do that deal in a millisecond, and throw in a future no. 1 to boot.

Of course you would. That's why it's no enough for Kobe, I strongly suspect.

[RynoRules]

I'd do that deal in a millisecond, and throw in a future no. 1 to boot.

Of course you would. That's why it's no enough for Kobe, I strongly suspect.

 

Agreed.

[Soriano12]

I think the trade that makes the most sense is:

 

Phoenix gets:

 

Kobe

 

 

LA gets:

 

Amare

Raja Bell

Marcus Banks(or another throw in)

 

Phoenix has suppsedly been shopping Amare, and a backcourt of Kobe & Nash would be explosive.

 

LA gets a young star in Amare, and a solid 2 Guard in Raja.

 

That trade won't happen in a million years. The Lakers would be the dumbest team in the NBA if they traded him to another Western Conference team.

 

The Lakers would be the dumbest team in the NBA if they don't get the best value for Bryant.

[UMFan83]

Bulls trade:

Gordon

(S/T) Nocioni

(S/T) Brown

Duhon

Thomas

9th pick

 

Phoenix trades:

Amare

Bell

 

LA Lakers trade:

Kobe

Bynum

 

Bulls receive:

Amare

Kobe

 

Phoenix receives:

Gordon

Bynum

PJ Brown (cap relief)

Duhon

 

LA Lakers receive:

Bell

Thomas

Nocioni

9th pick

 

I know point out 1,000 things wrong with this proposal. I put this together in 20 seconds and know it has 0% chance of ever happening, I am just having fun

 

Bulls lineup:

Hinrich

Bryant

Deng

Wallace

Stoudamire

 

Suns lineup:

Nash

Gordon

Barbosa

Marion

Bynum

 

Lakers lineup:

Conoly, Jr (if hes still there)

Bell

Tyrus Thomas/Nocioni

Odom

Mihm

Edited May 30, 2007 by UMFan83