The Chicago Bulls 2007 Offseason Thread

[1908]

With Donovon at Orlando now, I wonder if he will be hot after one of his Gators? Maybe we could package the 9th overall pick+ something else for Darko?

Would have to be a sign and trade. Some team is going to take a flyer on him at $11-$12M per year. I hope it's not the Bulls.

[da bears]

Not really Bulls news, but it does involve a former Bull....

 

Steve Kerr is set to be hired as the President and GM of the Phoenix Suns!

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/story.asp?id=318534

 

Damn, I liked him as a color guy for TNT. Oh well, congrats to Kerr.

[CubColtPacer]

Since this applies to a possible Kobe trade (which has been discussed at length in this thread) I'm going to put this here. It looks like the Lakers are going to try to build around Kobe instead of trading him. I've heard several sources saying that the Lakers are coming after Jermaine O'Neal-the deal would shake out something like Odom, Bynum, and the #19 for O'Neal and Tinsley (although I've heard several variations on the deal). If that happens, then any Kobe deal would be basically off.

 

Edit: Ok, now it just sounds like an O'Neal for Odom and Bynum+filler deal

[Outshined_One]

With Donovon at Orlando now, I wonder if he will be hot after one of his Gators? Maybe we could package the 9th overall pick+ something else for Darko?

 

I'd be against this simply for the fact that I've pretty much made fun of my friends who are Pistons fans non-stop since they selected Darko. :D

[Exile on Waveland]

Since this applies to a possible Kobe trade (which has been discussed at length in this thread) I'm going to put this here. It looks like the Lakers are going to try to build around Kobe instead of trading him. I've heard several sources saying that the Lakers are coming after Jermaine O'Neal-the deal would shake out something like Odom, Bynum, and the #19 for O'Neal and Tinsley (although I've heard several variations on the deal). If that happens, then any Kobe deal would be basically off.

 

Edit: Ok, now it just sounds like an O'Neal for Odom and Bynum+filler deal

 

Not trying to hijack this thread into a Pacers thread, but I've been hearing the same thing. Actually, we've all been hearing variations of that deal for awhile now.

 

If I was the Pacers, I'd really insist on the #19 pick being in the deal, but maybe dumping Tinsley would be worth excluding it. I'd want Odom, Bynum and at least Farmar, but would prefer the pick.

[Keener98]

Since this applies to a possible Kobe trade (which has been discussed at length in this thread) I'm going to put this here. It looks like the Lakers are going to try to build around Kobe instead of trading him. I've heard several sources saying that the Lakers are coming after Jermaine O'Neal-the deal would shake out something like Odom, Bynum, and the #19 for O'Neal and Tinsley (although I've heard several variations on the deal). If that happens, then any Kobe deal would be basically off.

 

Edit: Ok, now it just sounds like an O'Neal for Odom and Bynum+filler deal

 

Not trying to hijack this thread into a Pacers thread, but I've been hearing the same thing. Actually, we've all been hearing variations of that deal for awhile now.

 

If I was the Pacers, I'd really insist on the #19 pick being in the deal, but maybe dumping Tinsley would be worth excluding it. I'd want Odom, Bynum and at least Farmar, but would prefer the pick.

 

Who cares about anything in Indiana make your own thread. :wink: jk But why in the hell did they hire O'brien? Has he ever won anywhere hes went? I would have thought they could have found somebody a hell of a lot better

[Exile on Waveland]

Since this applies to a possible Kobe trade (which has been discussed at length in this thread) I'm going to put this here. It looks like the Lakers are going to try to build around Kobe instead of trading him. I've heard several sources saying that the Lakers are coming after Jermaine O'Neal-the deal would shake out something like Odom, Bynum, and the #19 for O'Neal and Tinsley (although I've heard several variations on the deal). If that happens, then any Kobe deal would be basically off.

 

Edit: Ok, now it just sounds like an O'Neal for Odom and Bynum+filler deal

 

Not trying to hijack this thread into a Pacers thread, but I've been hearing the same thing. Actually, we've all been hearing variations of that deal for awhile now.

 

If I was the Pacers, I'd really insist on the #19 pick being in the deal, but maybe dumping Tinsley would be worth excluding it. I'd want Odom, Bynum and at least Farmar, but would prefer the pick.

 

Who cares about anything in Indiana make your own thread. :wink: jk But why in the hell did they hire O'brien? Has he ever won anywhere hes went? I would have thought they could have found somebody a hell of a lot better

 

Well, it's certainly not a sexy hire, that's for sure. He does have a winning NBA record and is a decent enough coach. He also has Celtic ties, which seems to be overly important with Bird running the show.

 

Honestly, I think it's a case of no one really wanting the job. Stan Van Gundy evidently turned it down. The Pacers aren't very good, they don't even have a draft pick this year (a terrible year for that fate) and their best player may be traded this offseason. Not a very appealing situation if you ask me. They likely did about as well as they could.

 

That said, I think they are likely a better team than they showed last season. Not great, but better. Dealing O'Neal for Odom, Bynum and the Lakers pick could infuse them with some young talent in addition to Granger, Williams, Diogu, etc. If I were them, I'd then look to move Odom for another pick/young player. I like Odom, but the Pacers need an infusion of young talent.

 

Oh, this is a Bulls thread you say? Well, in that case I'll throw in my two cents: the Bulls are going to have to bite the bullet and trade one of their core guys to get a big man.

[Keener98]

Since this applies to a possible Kobe trade (which has been discussed at length in this thread) I'm going to put this here. It looks like the Lakers are going to try to build around Kobe instead of trading him. I've heard several sources saying that the Lakers are coming after Jermaine O'Neal-the deal would shake out something like Odom, Bynum, and the #19 for O'Neal and Tinsley (although I've heard several variations on the deal). If that happens, then any Kobe deal would be basically off.

 

Edit: Ok, now it just sounds like an O'Neal for Odom and Bynum+filler deal

 

Not trying to hijack this thread into a Pacers thread, but I've been hearing the same thing. Actually, we've all been hearing variations of that deal for awhile now.

 

If I was the Pacers, I'd really insist on the #19 pick being in the deal, but maybe dumping Tinsley would be worth excluding it. I'd want Odom, Bynum and at least Farmar, but would prefer the pick.

 

Who cares about anything in Indiana make your own thread. :wink: jk But why in the hell did they hire O'brien? Has he ever won anywhere hes went? I would have thought they could have found somebody a hell of a lot better

 

Well, it's certainly not a sexy hire, that's for sure. He does have a winning NBA record and is a decent enough coach. He also has Celtic ties, which seems to be overly important with Bird running the show.

 

Honestly, I think it's a case of no one really wanting the job. Stan Van Gundy evidently turned it down. The Pacers aren't very good, they don't even have a draft pick this year (a terrible year for that fate) and their best player may be traded this offseason. Not a very appealing situation if you ask me. They likely did about as well as they could.

 

That said, I think they are likely a better team than they showed last season. Not great, but better. Dealing O'Neal for Odom, Bynum and the Lakers pick could infuse them with some young talent in addition to Granger, Williams, Diogu, etc. If I were them, I'd then look to move Odom for another pick/young player. I like Odom, but the Pacers need an infusion of young talent.

 

Oh, this is a Bulls thread you say? Well, in that case I'll throw in my two cents: the Bulls are going to have to bite the bullet and trade one

of their core guys to get a big man.

 

Wow didnt realize he had a winning record. Ya their job isnt that appealing right now I agree. I didnt realize they didnt have a pick this year either, that will suck for them.

 

And as for the Bulls trading one of their core for a big man, Im fine with it. Id prefer that its Gordon though.

[Exile on Waveland]

Since this applies to a possible Kobe trade (which has been discussed at length in this thread) I'm going to put this here. It looks like the Lakers are going to try to build around Kobe instead of trading him. I've heard several sources saying that the Lakers are coming after Jermaine O'Neal-the deal would shake out something like Odom, Bynum, and the #19 for O'Neal and Tinsley (although I've heard several variations on the deal). If that happens, then any Kobe deal would be basically off.

 

Edit: Ok, now it just sounds like an O'Neal for Odom and Bynum+filler deal

 

Not trying to hijack this thread into a Pacers thread, but I've been hearing the same thing. Actually, we've all been hearing variations of that deal for awhile now.

 

If I was the Pacers, I'd really insist on the #19 pick being in the deal, but maybe dumping Tinsley would be worth excluding it. I'd want Odom, Bynum and at least Farmar, but would prefer the pick.

 

Who cares about anything in Indiana make your own thread. :wink: jk But why in the hell did they hire O'brien? Has he ever won anywhere hes went? I would have thought they could have found somebody a hell of a lot better

 

Well, it's certainly not a sexy hire, that's for sure. He does have a winning NBA record and is a decent enough coach. He also has Celtic ties, which seems to be overly important with Bird running the show.

 

Honestly, I think it's a case of no one really wanting the job. Stan Van Gundy evidently turned it down. The Pacers aren't very good, they don't even have a draft pick this year (a terrible year for that fate) and their best player may be traded this offseason. Not a very appealing situation if you ask me. They likely did about as well as they could.

 

That said, I think they are likely a better team than they showed last season. Not great, but better. Dealing O'Neal for Odom, Bynum and the Lakers pick could infuse them with some young talent in addition to Granger, Williams, Diogu, etc. If I were them, I'd then look to move Odom for another pick/young player. I like Odom, but the Pacers need an infusion of young talent.

 

Oh, this is a Bulls thread you say? Well, in that case I'll throw in my two cents: the Bulls are going to have to bite the bullet and trade one

of their core guys to get a big man.

 

Wow didnt realize he had a winning record. Ya their job isnt that appealing right now I agree. I didnt realize they didnt have a pick this year either, that will suck for them.

 

And as for the Bulls trading one of their core for a big man, Im fine with it. Id prefer that its Gordon though.

 

Yeah, O'Brien was 139-119 in Boston and 43-39 in Philadelphia. He's not bad. Not having a pick is a bad thing -- especially for a bad team.

 

I agree, Gordon is the player the Bulls should be most willing to part with.

[Outshined_One]

Just chiming in with some thoughts...

 

-I like the idea of trading for Kobe, but I really do not want to see the Bulls give up so much to get the guy. Look, I'll admit it, I think this team could stand to upgrade at every position, but not at the expense of something like Gordon/Deng/Thomas/The #9. This team still has a glaring weakness when it comes to having an effective big man inside, how the heck would trading for Kobe solve this? Moreover, why give up a draft pick which could be used on that big man? Why also give up Thomas in the process, who could potentially turn into the much-needed low post scorer?

 

This team has the chips to get creative, but there are still some glaring weaknesses that even Kobe would be unable to overcome. If the Bulls try for a trade for Kobe, I hope they can get Bynum or the 19 in the process.

 

-I really like the depth of this draft and it seems like the Bulls are going to be on the outskirts with their two mid-seconds. How about trading up into the end of the first to snag a guy like Tucker, Affalo, or even Pruitt?

[Keener98]

Just chiming in with some thoughts...

 

-I like the idea of trading for Kobe, but I really do not want to see the Bulls give up so much to get the guy. Look, I'll admit it, I think this team could stand to upgrade at every position, but not at the expense of something like Gordon/Deng/Thomas/The #9. This team still has a glaring weakness when it comes to having an effective big man inside, how the heck would trading for Kobe solve this? Moreover, why give up a draft pick which could be used on that big man? Why also give up Thomas in the process, who could potentially turn into the much-needed low post scorer?

 

This team has the chips to get creative, but there are still some glaring weaknesses that even Kobe would be unable to overcome. If the Bulls try for a trade for Kobe, I hope they can get Bynum or the 19 in the process.

 

-I really like the depth of this draft and it seems like the Bulls are going to be on the outskirts with their two mid-seconds. How about trading up into the end of the first to snag a guy like Tucker, Affalo, or even Pruitt?

 

Oh god please say NOOO to Pruitt. Im a diehard IL fan and hes needs to go back to school. Although his traveling might not get called as much in the NBA lol

[Exile on Waveland]

I'm pretty sure he means Gabe Pruitt, guard from USC.

 

Second, no way the Bulls should give up that much for Kobe, it would gut their team. They should try to get him, and no player should be untouchable.

[Outshined_One]

I'm pretty sure he means Gabe Pruitt, guard from USC.

 

Yes, this.

[Keener98]

I'm pretty sure he means Gabe Pruitt, guard from USC.

 

Yes, this.

 

Phew ok sorry Im a dumbass :oops:

[Outshined_One]

I'm pretty sure he means Gabe Pruitt, guard from USC.

 

Yes, this.

 

Phew ok sorry Im a dumbass :oops:

 

No worries, mate. 8-)

[Keener98]

Any info on Jason Smith from Colorado St? Supposedly the Bulls are looking at him as a possibility with the #9 pick.

[Banedon]

2 things on CNNSI.com's truth and rumors (stolen from the Trib and the LA Times)

 

Bulls to trade Duhon, draft PG

Posted: Wednesday June 13, 2007 07:28AM ET

 

League sources have said Bulls third-year point guard Chris Duhon, who has one year at $3.25 million remaining on his contract, is on the trading block. The Bulls have secured a Saturday workout with Ohio State freshman Mike Conley Jr., the top-rated point guard in the June 28 NBA draft. Conley Jr. follows Texas A&M's Acie Law and Georgia Tech's Javaris Crittenton, the second- and third-rated point guards who worked out together last week at the Berto Center.

 

Chicago Tribune

 

Buss hinting of Kobe departure

Posted: Tuesday June 12, 2007 09:55AM ET

 

Johnny Buss, the oldest son of Lakers owner Jerry Buss, sent a bulletin to friends on his MySpace.com page that contained a peculiar reference to the team's nine-time All-Star. 'If you've been following the Kobe drama, I want to let you know it's not really drama -- sometimes we all need to make a change in our lives and that's all it is,' Buss wrote. 'Popular or unpopular, when it's time, it's time. Good luck Kobe wherever you go!"

 

Los Angeles Times

[Soriano12]

oh please get Duhon out of here. I always thought Pargo was a better backup PG myself.

[UMFan83]

If the Bulls are really going to be taking a guard with their first pick, you gotta believe that there is a deal in the works to trade one of our guards for a low post player.

[jersey cubs fan]

If the Bulls are really going to be taking a guard with their first pick, you gotta believe that there is a deal in the works to trade one of our guards for a low post player.

 

They should trade Heinrich, who probably has a better reputation and perceived value than actual value.

[CubColtPacer]

If the Bulls are really going to be taking a guard with their first pick, you gotta believe that there is a deal in the works to trade one of our guards for a low post player.

 

They should trade Heinrich, who probably has a better reputation and perceived value than actual value.

 

I saw one report a few days ago that said that the Bulls are active in the trading mark, but Hinrich is their only untouchable (the link that I provided only says that Hinrich is untouchable, not their only untouchable, but I'm pretty sure I read the "only" in the link that I read a few days ago that I cannot find right now). I'll try to track that one down for you.

 

Ok, I found a similar link to the one I read.

 

The Oregonian of Portland reported Thursday that Trail Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard has been told that guard Kirk Hinrich is "untouchable," further dampening any Zach Randolph-to-the-Bulls talk.

 

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/46427/20070609/bulls_active_in_trade_scenario_discussions/

Edited June 13, 2007 by CubColtPacer

[Chocolate Milk]

If the Bulls are really going to be taking a guard with their first pick, you gotta believe that there is a deal in the works to trade one of our guards for a low post player.

 

They should trade Heinrich, who probably has a better reputation and perceived value than actual value.

 

This was my first thought.

[Soriano12]

There should be only one "untouchable", Loul Deng.

[USSoccer]

If the Bulls are really going to be taking a guard with their first pick, you gotta believe that there is a deal in the works to trade one of our guards for a low post player.

 

They should trade Heinrich, who probably has a better reputation and perceived value than actual value.

 

I saw one report a few days ago that said that the Bulls are active in the trading mark, but Hinrich is their only untouchable. I'll try to track that one down for you.

 

Hinrich is probably their best all around player, and it would be a major mistake to trade him. He's one of the best perimiter defenders in the league. He's a good point guard. He can score. He's improved all of his numbers this year, and he's comparable to Chauncey Billups in every category. Keeping Gordon over Hinrich makes your team much, much worse defensively. Additionally, if you use Gordon to aquire pst scoring, you're not going to miss Gordon's scoring as much, and you won't have to deal with teams abusing Gordon on the defensive end. In fact, if Kirk didn't have to run around guarding James, Bryant and Arenas every night, and make up for Gordon's inability to play defense, he'd probably be better offensively.

 

Gordon's the guard to trade, not Kirk.

Edited June 13, 2007 by USSoccer

[jersey cubs fan]

If the Bulls are really going to be taking a guard with their first pick, you gotta believe that there is a deal in the works to trade one of our guards for a low post player.

 

They should trade Heinrich, who probably has a better reputation and perceived value than actual value.

 

I saw one report a few days ago that said that the Bulls are active in the trading mark, but Hinrich is their only untouchable. I'll try to track that one down for you.

 

Hinrich is probably their best all around player, and it would be a major mistake to trade him. He's one of the best perimiter defenders in the league. He's a good point guard. He can score. He's improved all of his numbers this year, and he's comparable to Chauncey Billups in every category. Keeping Gordon over Hinrich makes your team much, much worse defensively. Additionally, if you use Gordon to aquire pst scoring, you're not going to miss Gordon's scoring as much.

 

Gordon's the guard to trade, not Kirk.

 

But they can get more for Kirk, right? The point is they have no chance of winning a title until they get a superstar, and they won't get a superstar trading spare parts. And Kirk isn't a superstar.