Manny Ramirez?

[killthegoat06]

According to Ben Maller, the Red Sox are in deep discussions with the Padres regarding Ramirez. One of either Linebrink or Peavy is expected to be included in the deal.

 

The Red Sox also remained deep in Manny Ramírez trade talks with the Padres, with San Diego sweetening its original offer, according to a source with direct knowledge of the talks. The Padres are offering major league players for Ramírez, a package that presumably would have to include one of two pitchers: prime setup man Scott Linebrink or ace Jake Peavy. The Sox also have coveted Adrian Gonzalez, a lefthanded-hitting first baseman who put up outstanding numbers in his first full season in 2006: .304, 24 home runs, 38 doubles, and 82 RBIs.

 

 

It's ok. The Red Sox would rather have Dumpster than either of them.

[UMFan83]

According to Ben Maller, the Red Sox are in deep discussions with the Padres regarding Ramirez. One of either Linebrink or Peavy is expected to be included in the deal.

 

The Red Sox also remained deep in Manny Ramírez trade talks with the Padres, with San Diego sweetening its original offer, according to a source with direct knowledge of the talks. The Padres are offering major league players for Ramírez, a package that presumably would have to include one of two pitchers: prime setup man Scott Linebrink or ace Jake Peavy. The Sox also have coveted Adrian Gonzalez, a lefthanded-hitting first baseman who put up outstanding numbers in his first full season in 2006: .304, 24 home runs, 38 doubles, and 82 RBIs.

 

 

Haha, if the Padres give up Adrian Gonzalez for Manny, they get whatever comes to them. I'm not sure that I'd give up Peavy for Manny to be honest...but maybe I'm just around Red Sox fans too much.

[Shilzzz]

According to Ben Maller, the Red Sox are in deep discussions with the Padres regarding Ramirez. One of either Linebrink or Peavy is expected to be included in the deal.

 

The Red Sox also remained deep in Manny Ramírez trade talks with the Padres, with San Diego sweetening its original offer, according to a source with direct knowledge of the talks. The Padres are offering major league players for Ramírez, a package that presumably would have to include one of two pitchers: prime setup man Scott Linebrink or ace Jake Peavy. The Sox also have coveted Adrian Gonzalez, a lefthanded-hitting first baseman who put up outstanding numbers in his first full season in 2006: .304, 24 home runs, 38 doubles, and 82 RBIs.

 

 

if the red sox could get gonzalez and peavy for ramirez straight up it would be a coup.

[E.J.]

So, if the Red Sox trade for Peavy and finally sign Matsuzaka, their starting pitching would look like this (in no particular order):

 

Peavy

Matsuzaka

Schilling

Beckett

Lester/Papelbon

 

 

:shock:

[Flames24Rulz]

So, if the Red Sox trade for Peavy and finally sign Matsuzaka, their starting pitching would look like this (in no particular order):

 

Peavy

Matsuzaka

Schilling

Beckett

Lester/Papelbon

 

 

:shock:

 

That's a real good rotation...when healthy. You really can't count on Beckett being healthy for a full year and Schilling has had some pretty serious injuries the last couple of years as well. But when that rotation is 100% and if they were to make the playoffs with all of those guys healthy, that would be an extremely dangerous rotation to face in a best of 5 and a best of 7.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Schilling confirms that Manny wants to be traded.

 

Link.

 

"I think Manny is less than comfortable playing in Boston for whatever reason, that's his right. I think it's gotten to the point now where there's some thought that even though Manny might stay, he might not be here if he does. And I think the belief is that trading Manny and bringing somebody in would be more valuable than having a Manny here that didn't play. I don't know that to be a fact. That is pure speculation on my part" Schilling said.

 

"I live with the guys, I have some insight. I don't know for sure. I do know that I've spoken with Manny. Manny does want to be traded. Manny wants to play somewhere else."

[killthegoat06]

So, if the Red Sox trade for Peavy and finally sign Matsuzaka, their starting pitching would look like this (in no particular order):

 

Peavy

Matsuzaka

Schilling

Beckett

Lester/Papelbon

 

 

:shock:

 

That's a real good rotation...when healthy. You really can't count on Beckett being healthy for a full year and Schilling has had some pretty serious injuries the last couple of years as well. But when that rotation is 100% and if they were to make the playoffs with all of those guys healthy, that would be an extremely dangerous rotation to face in a best of 5 and a best of 7.

 

Their offense would take a huge hit if they trade Manny, though. Ortiz, Drew, and who else?I can't remember what's going on with their lineup, but I think they'd need a great staff.

[Soul]

So, if the Red Sox trade for Peavy and finally sign Matsuzaka, their starting pitching would look like this (in no particular order):

 

Peavy

Matsuzaka

Schilling

Beckett

Lester/Papelbon

 

 

:shock:

 

That's a real good rotation...when healthy. You really can't count on Beckett being healthy for a full year and Schilling has had some pretty serious injuries the last couple of years as well. But when that rotation is 100% and if they were to make the playoffs with all of those guys healthy, that would be an extremely dangerous rotation to face in a best of 5 and a best of 7.

 

Their offense would take a huge hit if they trade Manny, though. Ortiz, Drew, and who else?I can't remember what's going on with their lineup, but I think they'd need a great staff.

 

True, but they always seem to manage to get the runs they need in Boston.

 

If they did pick up a bona-fide starter + another solid player for Manny, I think that's a brilliant deal for Boston. Not sure what it does to SD.

[VanceJergins]

So, if the Red Sox trade for Peavy and finally sign Matsuzaka, their starting pitching would look like this (in no particular order):

 

Peavy

Matsuzaka

Schilling

Beckett

Lester/Papelbon

 

 

:shock:

 

That's a real good rotation...when healthy. You really can't count on Beckett being healthy for a full year and Schilling has had some pretty serious injuries the last couple of years as well. But when that rotation is 100% and if they were to make the playoffs with all of those guys healthy, that would be an extremely dangerous rotation to face in a best of 5 and a best of 7.

 

Their offense would take a huge hit if they trade Manny, though. Ortiz, Drew, and who else?I can't remember what's going on with their lineup, but I think they'd need a great staff.

 

They have the OBP monster, Youkilis, they also have Varitek, Pena, Crisp, and Lowe. If they had that pitching staff, I think they're offense would be good enough. A lineup (as it would be now) something like:

 

Crisp-CF

Youkilis-1B

Ortiz-DH

Drew-RF

Lowe-3B

Pena-LF

Varitek-C

Cora-SS

Pedroia-2B

 

Not what they've had in the past, but not too bad.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

So, if the Red Sox trade for Peavy and finally sign Matsuzaka, their starting pitching would look like this (in no particular order):

 

Peavy

Matsuzaka

Schilling

Beckett

Lester/Papelbon

 

 

:shock:

 

That's a real good rotation...when healthy. You really can't count on Beckett being healthy for a full year and Schilling has had some pretty serious injuries the last couple of years as well. But when that rotation is 100% and if they were to make the playoffs with all of those guys healthy, that would be an extremely dangerous rotation to face in a best of 5 and a best of 7.

 

Their offense would take a huge hit if they trade Manny, though. Ortiz, Drew, and who else?I can't remember what's going on with their lineup, but I think they'd need a great staff.

 

They have the OBP monster, Youkilis, they also have Varitek, Pena, Crisp, and Lowe. If they had that pitching staff, I think they're offense would be good enough. A lineup (as it would be now) something like:

 

Crisp-CF

Youkilis-1B

Ortiz-DH

Drew-RF

Lowe-3B

Pena-LF

Varitek-C

Cora-SS

Pedroia-2B

 

Not what they've had in the past, but not too bad.

 

Do you mean Lowell?

[VanceJergins]

So, if the Red Sox trade for Peavy and finally sign Matsuzaka, their starting pitching would look like this (in no particular order):

 

Peavy

Matsuzaka

Schilling

Beckett

Lester/Papelbon

 

 

:shock:

 

That's a real good rotation...when healthy. You really can't count on Beckett being healthy for a full year and Schilling has had some pretty serious injuries the last couple of years as well. But when that rotation is 100% and if they were to make the playoffs with all of those guys healthy, that would be an extremely dangerous rotation to face in a best of 5 and a best of 7.

 

Their offense would take a huge hit if they trade Manny, though. Ortiz, Drew, and who else?I can't remember what's going on with their lineup, but I think they'd need a great staff.

 

They have the OBP monster, Youkilis, they also have Varitek, Pena, Crisp, and Lowe. If they had that pitching staff, I think they're offense would be good enough. A lineup (as it would be now) something like:

 

Crisp-CF

Youkilis-1B

Ortiz-DH

Drew-RF

Lowe-3B

Pena-LF

Varitek-C

Cora-SS

Pedroia-2B

 

Not what they've had in the past, but not too bad.

 

Do you mean Lowell?

 

No, leave me alone

[CubsInNC]

So, if the Red Sox trade for Peavy and finally sign Matsuzaka, their starting pitching would look like this (in no particular order):

 

Peavy

Matsuzaka

Schilling

Beckett

Lester/Papelbon

 

 

:shock:

 

That's a real good rotation...when healthy. You really can't count on Beckett being healthy for a full year and Schilling has had some pretty serious injuries the last couple of years as well. But when that rotation is 100% and if they were to make the playoffs with all of those guys healthy, that would be an extremely dangerous rotation to face in a best of 5 and a best of 7.

 

Their offense would take a huge hit if they trade Manny, though. Ortiz, Drew, and who else?I can't remember what's going on with their lineup, but I think they'd need a great staff.

 

They have the OBP monster, Youkilis, they also have Varitek, Pena, Crisp, and Lowe. If they had that pitching staff, I think they're offense would be good enough. A lineup (as it would be now) something like:

 

Crisp-CF

Youkilis-1B

Ortiz-DH

Drew-RF

Lowe-3B

Pena-LF

Varitek-C

Cora-SS

Pedroia-2B

 

Not what they've had in the past, but not too bad.

 

Do you mean Lowell?

 

No, leave me alone

 

Rob Lowe and Derek Lowe are platooning there. Theo believes that they both are due for breakout seasons His plan is to trade Manny to LA to re-acquire Derek, and sign Rob Lowe for 3 years and $215mil.

[VanceJergins]

So, if the Red Sox trade for Peavy and finally sign Matsuzaka, their starting pitching would look like this (in no particular order):

 

Peavy

Matsuzaka

Schilling

Beckett

Lester/Papelbon

 

 

:shock:

 

That's a real good rotation...when healthy. You really can't count on Beckett being healthy for a full year and Schilling has had some pretty serious injuries the last couple of years as well. But when that rotation is 100% and if they were to make the playoffs with all of those guys healthy, that would be an extremely dangerous rotation to face in a best of 5 and a best of 7.

 

Their offense would take a huge hit if they trade Manny, though. Ortiz, Drew, and who else?I can't remember what's going on with their lineup, but I think they'd need a great staff.

 

They have the OBP monster, Youkilis, they also have Varitek, Pena, Crisp, and Lowe. If they had that pitching staff, I think they're offense would be good enough. A lineup (as it would be now) something like:

 

Crisp-CF

Youkilis-1B

Ortiz-DH

Drew-RF

Lowe-3B

Pena-LF

Varitek-C

Cora-SS

Pedroia-2B

 

Not what they've had in the past, but not too bad.

 

Do you mean Lowell?

 

No, leave me alone

 

Rob Lowe and Derek Lowe are platooning there. Theo believes that they both are due for breakout seasons His plan is to trade Manny to LA to re-acquire Derek, and sign Rob Lowe for 3 years and $215mil.

 

Thank you. I didnt feel like explaining it to someone who obviously doesnt keep up with the transactions across the league.

[Jazz]

Any chance A-Ram can call his cousin up to whine to the Bosox brass to trade him to Wrigley?

[Cubzfan64]

Personally I think the starting position players for Boston this year will be:

 

Crisp - LF or CF

Pena - CF, LF or RF

Drew - RF or CF

Lowell - 3B

Lugo - SS

Pedroia - 2B

Youkalis - 1B

Veritek - C

 

You can't project anything from Lester this next year as his status re. cancer is unclear. Papelbon will be in the rotation no questions asked as they don't want his arm strained by closing again.

 

They have question marks in the starting rotation like every other team in the ML (will Papelbon have as much success starting as he did relieving last year and will his arm problem resurface, can Schilling put together one more good year, can Beckett be more consistent and stop giving up tons of HR's, can Wakefield be a .500+ pitcher and can anyone catch him, and can Matsuzaka be signed and perform like a #1 or #2 pitcher as they expect).

 

Their biggest question mark in my opinion will be their bullpen - they have no closer, poor middle relief and their set up guy is getting old and showed signs of dropping off in success as well last year.

 

Say what you will about Manny, but you have to believe that no organization looks to trade arguably their #1 consistent offense threat who protects their #2 offensive threat unless there are legitimate reasons. Nobody knows what goes on in the clubhouse or what's gone on in the offseason because Manny doesn't talk to the media - it wouldn't shock me at all to hear that he'll just sit out the season if he isn't traded.

[goonys evil twin]

Personally I think the starting position players for Boston this year will be:

 

Crisp - LF or CF

Pena - CF, LF or RF

Drew - RF or CF

Lowell - 3B

Lugo - SS

Pedroia - 2B

Youkalis - 1B

Veritek - C

 

That is a very questionable OF. Not one of those guys is a great bet to play 150 games. At the minimum they should get somebody to platoon with Pena, and they probably need a legit 5th guy who can substitute for either Crisp or Drew if they suffer setbacks.

 

I can't see them going into the season with that OF, unless they have some serious upgrades for the 4th/5th slots.

[fromthestretch]

Personally I think the starting position players for Boston this year will be:

 

Crisp - LF or CF

Pena - CF, LF or RF

Drew - RF or CF

Lowell - 3B

Lugo - SS

Pedroia - 2B

Youkalis - 1B

Veritek - C

 

That is a very questionable OF. Not one of those guys is a great bet to play 150 games. At the minimum they should get somebody to platoon with Pena, and they probably need a legit 5th guy who can substitute for either Crisp or Drew if they suffer setbacks.

 

I can't see them going into the season with that OF, unless they have some serious upgrades for the 4th/5th slots.

 

While it was only 184 plate appearances, Pena hit much better against righties than lefties last year. I think Crisp is probably the weak link of the outfielders there.

 

Edited to add: This is my 1000th post. Go me.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

It appears the Dodgers came away from their meeting with the Red Sox believing the price for Manny was too much.

 

Link.

 

The Red Sox want three of the top six Dodgers prospects, including outfielder Matt Kemp and potential closer Jonathan Broxton. The names of James Loney, Andy LaRoche, Chad Billingsley and Scott Elbert also came up.

[CuseCubFan69]

It appears the Dodgers came away from their meeting with the Red Sox believing the price for Manny was too much.

 

Link.

 

The Red Sox want three of the top six Dodgers prospects, including outfielder Matt Kemp and potential closer Jonathan Broxton. The names of James Loney, Andy LaRoche, Chad Billingsley and Scott Elbert also came up.

 

And just a couple of years ago he was out there just for his contract. Amazing.

[Vinestal]

It appears the Dodgers came away from their meeting with the Red Sox believing the price for Manny was too much.

 

Link.

 

The Red Sox want three of the top six Dodgers prospects, including outfielder Matt Kemp and potential closer Jonathan Broxton. The names of James Loney, Andy LaRoche, Chad Billingsley and Scott Elbert also came up.

 

And just a couple of years ago he was out there just for his contract. Amazing.

 

Wasnt he just put on revocable waivers? Meaning he could be pulled back, they were just seeking a deal after the trade deadline? I cant remember.

[XZero771679666304]

It appears the Dodgers came away from their meeting with the Red Sox believing the price for Manny was too much.

 

Link.

 

The Red Sox want three of the top six Dodgers prospects, including outfielder Matt Kemp and potential closer Jonathan Broxton. The names of James Loney, Andy LaRoche, Chad Billingsley and Scott Elbert also came up.

 

And just a couple of years ago he was out there just for his contract. Amazing.

 

Wasnt he just put on revocable waivers? Meaning he could be pulled back, they were just seeking a deal after the trade deadline? I cant remember.

 

No, it was irrevocable waivers.

[Vinestal]

It appears the Dodgers came away from their meeting with the Red Sox believing the price for Manny was too much.

 

Link.

 

The Red Sox want three of the top six Dodgers prospects, including outfielder Matt Kemp and potential closer Jonathan Broxton. The names of James Loney, Andy LaRoche, Chad Billingsley and Scott Elbert also came up.

 

And just a couple of years ago he was out there just for his contract. Amazing.

 

Wasnt he just put on revocable waivers? Meaning he could be pulled back, they were just seeking a deal after the trade deadline? I cant remember.

 

No, it was irrevocable waivers.

 

wow that is amazing

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

It appears the Dodgers came away from their meeting with the Red Sox believing the price for Manny was too much.

 

Link.

 

The Red Sox want three of the top six Dodgers prospects, including outfielder Matt Kemp and potential closer Jonathan Broxton. The names of James Loney, Andy LaRoche, Chad Billingsley and Scott Elbert also came up.

 

And just a couple of years ago he was out there just for his contract. Amazing.

 

How the market has changed....

[swordsman]

Dave Kaplan just rpeported on WGN radio that there is a "Strong Rumor" going around that Man Ram will be traded to the Mariners.

[BigbadB]

Dave Kaplan just rpeported on WGN radio that there is a "Strong Rumor" going around that Man Ram will be traded to the Mariners.

 

I'd be shocked if Manny would agree to be traded to Canada. :D

 

But, anything to get Seattle out of the Schmidtstakes.