Manny Ramirez?

[CP_414]

I would assume that he is mostly speculating about the teams involved, and since the Cubs got their big money hitter this offseason, he doesn't figure the Cubs are involved. I'm not saying they are involved, but I doubt Buster Olney knows either way. I remember hearing Tim Kurkijan on ESPN 1000 about a week before we signed Soriano listing about 5 or 6 teams in the hunt for Soriano ahead of the Cubs. Maybe Bruce could confirm if they have or don't have interest in Manny.

 

I would be willing to give up a lot for Manny.

 

Imagine:

Soriano

DeRosa

Lee

Manny

Aramis

Barrett

Pie

Izturis

 

They could add 2 lower level pitchers and be the best team in the NL

 

Zambrano, Hill, Prior/Miller, Meche, Ohka/Maddux/or similiar...with Prior or Miller, Marshall, Mateo, Cotts as other starting pitching options.

 

 

While we're dreaming ...

 

Soriano

Lugo

Lee

Ramirez

Ramirez

Barrett

Murton

DeRosa

 

 

Z

Schmidt

Westbrook/Igawa

Hill

Prior/Miller

 

Getter done Hendry. Bye bye curse.

 

Thats just greedy!

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Dealt by Saturday?

[killthegoat06]

Dealt by Saturday?

 

Hendry put down what you're doing and get him. NOW.

[CubColtPacer]

Dealt by Saturday?

 

Hendry put down what you're doing and get him. NOW.

 

Again, I ask-why do you think we're on Manny's list to actually be traded to? Here's the list that I've gleaned from all the reports-the report last month said that it was 10-12 teams long.

 

Giants

Padres

Dodgers

Mets

Rangers

Orioles

Indians

Angels

 

Those are 8 of the teams, which only leaves 2-4 teams left. I certainly don't think it's a huge possibility that the Cubs are one of those teams. It's possible, but not very likely IMO. Even if Hendry wanted him, he might not be able to get him if he does not want to come.

[RynoRules]

Dealt by Saturday?

 

Hendry put down what you're doing and get him. NOW.

 

Again, I ask-why do you think we're on Manny's list to actually be traded to? Here's the list that I've gleaned from all the reports-the report last month said that it was 10-12 teams long.

 

Giants

Padres

Dodgers

Mets

Rangers

Orioles

Indians

Angels

 

Those are 8 of the teams, which only leaves 2-4 teams left. I certainly don't think it's a huge possibility that the Cubs are one of those teams. It's possible, but not very likely IMO. Even if Hendry wanted him, he might not be able to get him if he does not want to come.

 

Why do you think that? What evidence have you that you have not shared?

 

And what is a "huge possibility" exactly?

 

So you're saying there's a chance...

 

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[Shilzzz]

it sure is nice to dream, the two most devestating ramirez's of all time hitting back to back :shock: =P~

 

but its not going to happen.

 

 

but holy crap would that be amazing. soriano, lee, ramirez, ramirez. wow.

[CubColtPacer]

Dealt by Saturday?

 

Hendry put down what you're doing and get him. NOW.

 

Again, I ask-why do you think we're on Manny's list to actually be traded to? Here's the list that I've gleaned from all the reports-the report last month said that it was 10-12 teams long.

 

Giants

Padres

Dodgers

Mets

Rangers

Orioles

Indians

Angels

 

Those are 8 of the teams, which only leaves 2-4 teams left. I certainly don't think it's a huge possibility that the Cubs are one of those teams. It's possible, but not very likely IMO. Even if Hendry wanted him, he might not be able to get him if he does not want to come.

 

Why do you think that? What evidence have you that you have not shared?

 

And what is a "huge possibility" exactly?

 

So you're saying there's a chance...

 

Well, anything's possible :D

 

From looking at the 22 teams left though, I just don't think the Cubs would be one of the frontrunners left. I think we would have had at least discussions with the Red Sox, even if those discussions went nowhere (like they are reporting with other teams). My guess is that the teams that are left on his list really have very little interest or capability to add on salary, which is why they have not been mentioned while the other 8 have.

 

My last point is the media-if they knew the Cubs were on Manny's list, they would love to spread that news because it would gather more interest. The fact that it hasn't while most of the list has not been very secretive is probably a sign that they are not there.

[sethuel1]

If the Cubs somehow did get involved, Howry should not even be considered. Eyre maybe, but not Howry. The NL Central is completely stacked with right-handed lineups and Howry is as close to dominant as you'll get from a right-handed reliever.

 

If Howry is what it takes, so be it. Manny in the line-up is 10X more valuable than the 60 IP Howry will throw.

 

I understand the line of thinking. I'm just hoping Eyre gets pushed more than Howry, particularly given the Yankees 5 left-handed hitters in the everyday lineup.

 

Eyre has a limited no-trade clause.

 

My guess is that the Red Sox are not on the no-trade list.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Why not be more realistic? (i.e., we're not getting Manny Ramirez!)

 

If the Red Sox sign Drew, Wily Mo Pena sure looks expendable. And if the Cubs sign Cliff Floyd, I would be very interested in a quad platoon of corner OF-ers for the Cubs: Murton and Pena from the right side, Floyd and Jones from the left side. It ought to be extremely productive, and would give the Cubs an awesome bench.

 

At that point, sign Lugo for SS and you're done with the field players. You can use Izturis or Cedeno as trading pieces for pitchers, keeping the other for a middle infield bench role.

[VanceJergins]

Dealt by Saturday?

 

Hendry put down what you're doing and get him. NOW.

 

Again, I ask-why do you think we're on Manny's list to actually be traded to? Here's the list that I've gleaned from all the reports-the report last month said that it was 10-12 teams long.

 

Giants

Padres

Dodgers

Mets

Rangers

Orioles

Indians

Angels

 

Those are 8 of the teams, which only leaves 2-4 teams left. I certainly don't think it's a huge possibility that the Cubs are one of those teams. It's possible, but not very likely IMO. Even if Hendry wanted him, he might not be able to get him if he does not want to come.

 

Why do you think that? What evidence have you that you have not shared?

 

And what is a "huge possibility" exactly?

 

So you're saying there's a chance...

 

Well, anything's possible :D

 

From looking at the 22 teams left though, I just don't think the Cubs would be one of the frontrunners left. I think we would have had at least discussions with the Red Sox, even if those discussions went nowhere (like they are reporting with other teams). My guess is that the teams that are left on his list really have very little interest or capability to add on salary, which is why they have not been mentioned while the other 8 have.

 

My last point is the media-if they knew the Cubs were on Manny's list, they would love to spread that news because it would gather more interest. The fact that it hasn't while most of the list has not been very secretive is probably a sign that they are not there.

 

Maybe the writers just assume we arent interested because we signed Soriano. I really doubt we get him, but I'm not going to rule it out because ESPN hasnt confirmed that we're interested.

[back2backjax]

Trade Izturis and prospects to Boston, nab Lugo and Drew, and then:

 

1.Lugo

2.DeRosa

3.Drew

4.Lee

5.M.Ramirez

6.A.Ramirez

7.Barrett

8.Jones

 

 

:shock:

 

A man can dream......

 

you start jones over soriano? would that make a-sor the most expensive bench player ever?

[Omar]

Trade Izturis and prospects to Boston, nab Lugo and Drew, and then:

 

1.Lugo

2.DeRosa

3.Drew

4.Lee

5.M.Ramirez

6.A.Ramirez

7.Barrett

8.Jones

 

 

:shock:

 

A man can dream......

 

you start jones over soriano? would that make a-sor the most expensive bench player ever?

 

I think he is hinting that Soriano will get injured in Winter Ball.

[Rob]

Trade Izturis and prospects to Boston, nab Lugo and Drew, and then:

 

1.Lugo

2.DeRosa

3.Drew

4.Lee

5.M.Ramirez

6.A.Ramirez

7.Barrett

8.Jones

 

 

:shock:

 

A man can dream......

 

you start jones over soriano? would that make a-sor the most expensive bench player ever?

 

Very silly move. Besides that, why bat DeRosa in the 2 hole?

 

RF - Soriano

1B - Lee

CF - Drew

LF - ManRam

3B - ARam

C - Barrett

SS - Lugo

2B - DeRosa

 

The general principle is to get your best hitters the most plate appearances per season. Even at that, this lineup still works within the conventional mold. Speed at the top of the lineup in Soriano and DLee's deceptive speed. Lefty/Righty breakups. Even the catcher batting near the bottom of the order!

 

Plus you have the added benefit of Soriano and Lee getting more PA per season than Lugo and DeRosa... which speaks for itself.

[VanceJergins]

Trade Izturis and prospects to Boston, nab Lugo and Drew, and then:

 

1.Lugo

2.DeRosa

3.Drew

4.Lee

5.M.Ramirez

6.A.Ramirez

7.Barrett

8.Jones

 

 

:shock:

 

A man can dream......

 

you start jones over soriano? would that make a-sor the most expensive bench player ever?

 

Very silly move. Besides that, why bat DeRosa in the 2 hole?

 

RF - Soriano

1B - Lee

CF - Drew

LF - ManRam

3B - ARam

C - Barrett

SS - Lugo

2B - DeRosa

 

The general principle is to get your best hitters the most plate appearances per season. Even at that, this lineup still works within the conventional mold. Speed at the top of the lineup in Soriano and DLee's deceptive speed. Lefty/Righty breakups. Even the catcher batting near the bottom of the order!

 

Plus you have the added benefit of Soriano and Lee getting more PA per season than Lugo and DeRosa... which speaks for itself.

 

Why not put Soriano at 2B and keep Murton on LF, and get ARod for SS?

 

2B: Soriano

CF: Drew

1B: Lee

RF: M. Ramirez

SS: ARod

3B: A. Ramirez

LF: Murton

C: Barrett

 

Trade Jones and Izturis for the rights to Matsuzaka, sign Schmidt, and we're set.

 

Zambrano

Matsuzaka

Schmidt

Prior

Hill

 

I'm 97% sure this will be our opening day roster.

[ThePenguin11]

Maybe Jocketty will be looking to unload Pujols too. We can see if they'll combo him and Carpenter in a deal while we're at it.

[CP_414]

Why is Manny so unrealistic? It doesn't sound like Boston wants the world for him. Most reports say the Cubs have another 20+ Million to spend. If we shed a salary like Eyre or Howry in the Manny deal and then shed Jones salary there will still be about $8 Million for a pitcher. As someone else mentioned I would rather give the money to Manny who earns it than drastically overpay for Gil Meche, Vicinte Padilla, or some other pitcher. I think if they want to make this happen, the Cubs have the money and pieces to do so. Hopefully the Cubs have interest in Manny, and Manny has interest in the Cubs.

[Rob]

Maybe Jocketty will be looking to unload Pujols too. We can see if they'll combo him and Carpenter in a deal while we're at it.

 

Can Pujols play 2nd?

[RynoRules]

Maybe Jocketty will be looking to unload Pujols too. We can see if they'll combo him and Carpenter in a deal while we're at it.

 

I usually do not raise this, but....

 

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[10man]

Why is Manny so unrealistic? It doesn't sound like Boston wants the world for him. Most reports say the Cubs have another 20+ Million to spend. If we shed a salary like Eyre or Howry in the Manny deal and then shed Jones salary there will still be about $8 Million for a pitcher. As someone else mentioned I would rather give the money to Manny who earns it than drastically overpay for Gil Meche, Vicinte Padilla, or some other pitcher. I think if they want to make this happen, the Cubs have the money and pieces to do so. Hopefully the Cubs have interest in Manny, and Manny has interest in the Cubs.

the problem is in THIS market, $8M will only get you an Adam Eaton (read: not much).

[CP_414]

Why is Manny so unrealistic? It doesn't sound like Boston wants the world for him. Most reports say the Cubs have another 20+ Million to spend. If we shed a salary like Eyre or Howry in the Manny deal and then shed Jones salary there will still be about $8 Million for a pitcher. As someone else mentioned I would rather give the money to Manny who earns it than drastically overpay for Gil Meche, Vicinte Padilla, or some other pitcher. I think if they want to make this happen, the Cubs have the money and pieces to do so. Hopefully the Cubs have interest in Manny, and Manny has interest in the Cubs.

the problem is in THIS market, $8M will only get you an Adam Eaton (read: not much).

 

All the more reason to pay someone who deserves it: Manny Ramirez.

[CUBZ99]

There is no way that this can be correct.

 

From Mlbtraderumors.com

 

A Cubs source e-mailed that Chicago has offered Matt Murton, Bob Howry, Sean Gallagher and Donald Veal, and that Felix Pie hasn't come up. That sounds like not quite enough, but if the Red Sox trade Manny, then turn around and sign J.D. Drew and Julio Lugo, the need for impact-quality major-league talent (say, Michael Young) is lessened. The same source indicates that the Mets and Braves are also interested.

[Butterscup1679666578]

There is no way that this can be correct.

 

From Mlbtraderumors.com

 

A Cubs source e-mailed that Chicago has offered Matt Murton, Bob Howry, Sean Gallagher and Donald Veal, and that Felix Pie hasn't come up. That sounds like not quite enough, but if the Red Sox trade Manny, then turn around and sign J.D. Drew and Julio Lugo, the need for impact-quality major-league talent (say, Michael Young) is lessened. The same source indicates that the Mets and Braves are also interested.

 

That's a lot of good players for Manny.

[VanceJergins]

There is no way that this can be correct.

 

From Mlbtraderumors.com

 

A Cubs source e-mailed that Chicago has offered Matt Murton, Bob Howry, Sean Gallagher and Donald Veal, and that Felix Pie hasn't come up. That sounds like not quite enough, but if the Red Sox trade Manny, then turn around and sign J.D. Drew and Julio Lugo, the need for impact-quality major-league talent (say, Michael Young) is lessened. The same source indicates that the Mets and Braves are also interested.

 

That sure seems like a lot, but then again Manny is pretty danged awesome. I would hate to give up Veal and Gallagher, and Murton is my favorite player so I'd hate for him to go too. They should offer Jones, Eyre, Gallagher, Pie, Moore, or something like that.

[rocket]

There is no way that this can be correct.

 

From Mlbtraderumors.com

 

A Cubs source e-mailed that Chicago has offered Matt Murton, Bob Howry, Sean Gallagher and Donald Veal, and that Felix Pie hasn't come up. That sounds like not quite enough, but if the Red Sox trade Manny, then turn around and sign J.D. Drew and Julio Lugo, the need for impact-quality major-league talent (say, Michael Young) is lessened. The same source indicates that the Mets and Braves are also interested.

 

That's a lot of good players for Manny.

 

Yeah. Would it be better if the Red Sox added Clement to the deal? That one article said they were looking to shed Clement's salary.

[NorthsideAvenger]

There is no way that this can be correct.

 

From Mlbtraderumors.com

 

A Cubs source e-mailed that Chicago has offered Matt Murton, Bob Howry, Sean Gallagher and Donald Veal, and that Felix Pie hasn't come up. That sounds like not quite enough, but if the Red Sox trade Manny, then turn around and sign J.D. Drew and Julio Lugo, the need for impact-quality major-league talent (say, Michael Young) is lessened. The same source indicates that the Mets and Braves are also interested.

 

First: I think that "source" was prolly drunk when he mad that email.

 

Second: Murton/Howry/Gallagher and Veal for Manny? Hecks no, I wouldn't do it......unless Papelbon and/or Hansen is coming with Manny.

 

Third: Since everybody knows Boston is trying to move him, I'm backing on that Howry (I prefer to move Eyre) Gallagher and Murton get's it done, especially if the Cubs agreed to take Clement's contract off their hands.